(06-15-2020 10:56 AM)Stammers Wrote:  The big winner in all this will be the University of Tennessee. With all of the uncle/brother, cousin/niece, sister/wife combos, they should be able to legally seat 80,000 per game.

Which brings up a question, if a UT couple is getting a divorce and they fight over tickets, will they still be cousins?

Kissing cousins.

(06-29-2020 02:52 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 10:56 AM)Stammers Wrote:  The big winner in all this will be the University of Tennessee. With all of the uncle/brother, cousin/niece, sister/wife combos, they should be able to legally seat 80,000 per game.

Which brings up a question, if a UT couple is getting a divorce and they fight over tickets, will they still be cousins?

I think that's the "once removed" part of "2nd cousins, once removed". If they remarry and redivorce, they are "twice removed". And so on.

(06-28-2020 09:07 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:05 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:17 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:19 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Boise isn't dead. The talking heads still push them for NY6 inclusion every year, and some preseason projections always put them in. Until someone in the west passes them you can't consider them dead..

They are dead because they haven't been to a NY6 game in 6 years, they haven't been playing or obviously beating top 15 teams, their conference is full of dead weight and they haven't been able to go undefeated. If they have the same number of losses as an AAC team they will never get in.

The talking heads can push all they want. They lost 1 game last year and nobody thought they should have taken our spot.

Boise was oh-so-close to being undefeated during last year's regular season. They are definitely still relevant.

With a tougher conference, it’s easier for Boise to go undefeated that it is for an AAC member. Also, with 6 NY6 bowl berths over the past 15 yrs, an undefeated Boise probably gets the NY6 berth over a 1-loss AAC champion.

As for us passing UCF - I’d have to disagree.... UCF has 3 NY6 bowl berths, and have won 2 of them. We only have one, and it was a loss. Plus, we haven’t beaten them in the past 4-5 yrs, including a couple of a$$ whoopin’s down in Orlando. Let’s beat them before we beat our chest.

As for the conference... We need for the Houston’s, SMU’s and Temple’s to keep getting better. The more good teams, the better our conference reputation becomes. We also need to keep building our Tiger brand so folks want to watch us on TV.

I meant... “with an easier conference” regarding Boise going undefeated.

I think BSU acknowledges a potential issue with their conference schedule by consistently scheduling a P5 every season + BYU OOC. In most recent years, poll voters tend to give BSU lot of love until they lose in-conference, especially if they can pull off a win in their P5 game like last season where they ranked ahead of the highest AAC school until they lost. Their combination of playing a P5 & BYU every year is a good one if they can beat BYU & go undefeated in-conference. BSU has, in fact, played BYU & 2 P5s in some years OOC which helped them financially even when they couldn't pull off an undefeated in-conference season.

(06-29-2020 04:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:07 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:05 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:17 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  They are dead because they haven't been to a NY6 game in 6 years, they haven't been playing or obviously beating top 15 teams, their conference is full of dead weight and they haven't been able to go undefeated. If they have the same number of losses as an AAC team they will never get in.

The talking heads can push all they want. They lost 1 game last year and nobody thought they should have taken our spot.

Boise was oh-so-close to being undefeated during last year's regular season. They are definitely still relevant.

With a tougher conference, it’s easier for Boise to go undefeated that it is for an AAC member. Also, with 6 NY6 bowl berths over the past 15 yrs, an undefeated Boise probably gets the NY6 berth over a 1-loss AAC champion.

As for us passing UCF - I’d have to disagree.... UCF has 3 NY6 bowl berths, and have won 2 of them. We only have one, and it was a loss. Plus, we haven’t beaten them in the past 4-5 yrs, including a couple of a$$ whoopin’s down in Orlando. Let’s beat them before we beat our chest.

As for the conference... We need for the Houston’s, SMU’s and Temple’s to keep getting better. The more good teams, the better our conference reputation becomes. We also need to keep building our Tiger brand so folks want to watch us on TV.

I meant... “with an easier conference” regarding Boise going undefeated.

I think BSU acknowledges a potential issue with their conference schedule by consistently scheduling a P5 every season + BYU OOC. In most recent years, poll voters tend to give BSU lot of love until they lose in-conference, especially if they can pull off a win in their P5 game like last season where they ranked ahead of the highest AAC school until they lost. Their combination of playing a P5 & BYU every year is a good one if they can beat BYU & go undefeated in-conference. BSU has, in fact, played BYU & 2 P5s in some years OOC which helped them financially even when they couldn't pull off an undefeated in-conference season.

It seems to me if BSU would just get into an easier conference they could be in the NY6 more years than not.

(06-29-2020 03:14 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 02:52 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 10:56 AM)Stammers Wrote:  The big winner in all this will be the University of Tennessee. With all of the uncle/brother, cousin/niece, sister/wife combos, they should be able to legally seat 80,000 per game.

Which brings up a question, if a UT couple is getting a divorce and they fight over tickets, will they still be cousins?

I think that's the "once removed" part of "2nd cousins, once removed". If they remarry and redivorce, they are "twice removed". And so on.

So what you are saying is if the divorced husband marries his ex-wife's brother he is marrying his second cousin?

(06-29-2020 06:35 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 04:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:07 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:05 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:17 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  Boise was oh-so-close to being undefeated during last year's regular season. They are definitely still relevant.

With a tougher conference, it’s easier for Boise to go undefeated that it is for an AAC member. Also, with 6 NY6 bowl berths over the past 15 yrs, an undefeated Boise probably gets the NY6 berth over a 1-loss AAC champion.

As for us passing UCF - I’d have to disagree.... UCF has 3 NY6 bowl berths, and have won 2 of them. We only have one, and it was a loss. Plus, we haven’t beaten them in the past 4-5 yrs, including a couple of a$$ whoopin’s down in Orlando. Let’s beat them before we beat our chest.

As for the conference... We need for the Houston’s, SMU’s and Temple’s to keep getting better. The more good teams, the better our conference reputation becomes. We also need to keep building our Tiger brand so folks want to watch us on TV.

I meant... “with an easier conference” regarding Boise going undefeated.

I think BSU acknowledges a potential issue with their conference schedule by consistently scheduling a P5 every season + BYU OOC. In most recent years, poll voters tend to give BSU lot of love until they lose in-conference, especially if they can pull off a win in their P5 game like last season where they ranked ahead of the highest AAC school until they lost. Their combination of playing a P5 & BYU every year is a good one if they can beat BYU & go undefeated in-conference. BSU has, in fact, played BYU & 2 P5s in some years OOC which helped them financially even when they couldn't pull off an undefeated in-conference season.

It seems to me if BSU would just get into an easier conference they could be in the NY6 more years than not.

Either that or take our approach of an easier OOC schedule & going undefeated in the MWC. Since it appears the media thinks the AAC is a slight step up from the MWC, Boise has to go undefeated in-conference, beat BYU & play tough (if not win) it's P5 OOC game(s) to have a leg up on the NY6 bowl.

(06-29-2020 04:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:07 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:05 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:17 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  They are dead because they haven't been to a NY6 game in 6 years, they haven't been playing or obviously beating top 15 teams, their conference is full of dead weight and they haven't been able to go undefeated. If they have the same number of losses as an AAC team they will never get in.

The talking heads can push all they want. They lost 1 game last year and nobody thought they should have taken our spot.

Boise was oh-so-close to being undefeated during last year's regular season. They are definitely still relevant.

With a tougher conference, it’s easier for Boise to go undefeated that it is for an AAC member. Also, with 6 NY6 bowl berths over the past 15 yrs, an undefeated Boise probably gets the NY6 berth over a 1-loss AAC champion.

As for us passing UCF - I’d have to disagree.... UCF has 3 NY6 bowl berths, and have won 2 of them. We only have one, and it was a loss. Plus, we haven’t beaten them in the past 4-5 yrs, including a couple of a$$ whoopin’s down in Orlando. Let’s beat them before we beat our chest.

As for the conference... We need for the Houston’s, SMU’s and Temple’s to keep getting better. The more good teams, the better our conference reputation becomes. We also need to keep building our Tiger brand so folks want to watch us on TV.

I meant... “with an easier conference” regarding Boise going undefeated.

I think BSU acknowledges a potential issue with their conference schedule by consistently scheduling a P5 every season + BYU OOC. In most recent years, poll voters tend to give BSU lot of love until they lose in-conference, especially if they can pull off a win in their P5 game like last season where they ranked ahead of the highest AAC school until they lost. Their combination of playing a P5 & BYU every year is a good one if they can beat BYU & go undefeated in-conference. BSU has, in fact, played BYU & 2 P5s in some years OOC which helped them financially even when they couldn't pull off an undefeated in-conference season.

The problems with you are that you will say whatever you feel like saying with ZERO knowledge of whether it is true or not, you do ZERO research, and you completely ignore the facts.

Let's start with this...

Quote:In most recent years, poll voters tend to give BSU lot of love until they lose in-conference, especially if they can pull off a win in their P5 game like last season where they ranked ahead of the highest AAC school until they lost.

Just so you don't think I'm being harsh, this is the exact opposite of the truth, you did ZERO research, and you had no idea if what you were saying was true or not.

NO LOSSES
Preseason
17 UCF
33 Boise

Week 2
18 UCF
24 Boise

Week 3
17 UCF
22 Boise

Week 4
15 UCF
20 Boise

Week 5
16 Boise
22 UCF (UCF loses)

1 LOSS EACH
Week 9
16 SMU (0 losses)
18 Cincinnati
22 Boise

Week 10
15 SMU (0 losses)
17 Cincinnati
21 Boise
24 Memphis
25 San Diego State

Week 11
20 Cincinnati
21 Memphis
22 Boise
24 Navy
25 SMU

Week 12
17 Cincy
18 Memphis
21 Boise
23 Navy

Week 13
18 Memphis
19 Cincinnati
20 Boise
25 SMU

Week 14
18 Memphis
19 Cincinnati
20 Boise

Week 15
17 Memphis
19 Boise
20 Cincinnati
24 Navy

Week 16
17 Memphis
19 Boise
21 Cincinnati
23 Navy

So your statement is sloppy, unresearched and a total fabrication at best, and all of the above and dishonest at worse. With the same number of losses, an AAC team was ranked ahead of Boise to start, and multiple teams in Memphis and Cincinnati passed them with the same number of losses.

Now to your second completely false statement; which is that we need to make the home schedule tougher. We don't under any circumstances, mostly because as we see this year, our road schedule is already a killer. The last thing we want to do is to make our OOC schedule tougher.

2019: Ranked/Weeks Ranked
AAC: UCF 6, Memphis 8, SMU 7, Navy 4, Cincinnati 10
MWC: Boise 15, San Diego State 1

The MWC had no games in conference between 2 ranked opponents. That is why Boise has to schedule tougher OOC. You can easily argue that Boise would have had 3-4 losses heading into bowl season if they played our schedule last season.

EDIT: Just saw this.

Quote:Either that or take our approach of an easier OOC schedule & going undefeated in the MWC. Since it appears the media thinks the AAC is a slight step up from the MWC, Boise has to go undefeated in-conference, beat BYU & play tough (if not win) it's P5 OOC game(s) to have a leg up on the NY6 bowl.

Are you insane? A slight step above?

Realtime RPI Conference Rankings
30.30 $EC
28.86 Big Ten
26.18 Big 12
25.62 AAC
25.43 PAC12
24.12 ACC
23.48 MWC

Another statement you make that is complete nonsense. It took me 30 seconds to look this up, so AGAIN...

- ZERO clue if it is true or not
- ZERO research
- Completely dishonest; lying through your teeth

Unbelievable.

(06-29-2020 04:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:07 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:05 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:17 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  They are dead because they haven't been to a NY6 game in 6 years, they haven't been playing or obviously beating top 15 teams, their conference is full of dead weight and they haven't been able to go undefeated. If they have the same number of losses as an AAC team they will never get in.

The talking heads can push all they want. They lost 1 game last year and nobody thought they should have taken our spot.

Boise was oh-so-close to being undefeated during last year's regular season. They are definitely still relevant.

With a tougher conference, it’s easier for Boise to go undefeated that it is for an AAC member. Also, with 6 NY6 bowl berths over the past 15 yrs, an undefeated Boise probably gets the NY6 berth over a 1-loss AAC champion.

As for us passing UCF - I’d have to disagree.... UCF has 3 NY6 bowl berths, and have won 2 of them. We only have one, and it was a loss. Plus, we haven’t beaten them in the past 4-5 yrs, including a couple of a$$ whoopin’s down in Orlando. Let’s beat them before we beat our chest.

As for the conference... We need for the Houston’s, SMU’s and Temple’s to keep getting better. The more good teams, the better our conference reputation becomes. We also need to keep building our Tiger brand so folks want to watch us on TV.

I meant... “with an easier conference” regarding Boise going undefeated.

I think BSU acknowledges a potential issue with their conference schedule by consistently scheduling a P5 every season + BYU OOC. In most recent years, poll voters tend to give BSU lot of love until they lose in-conference, especially if they can pull off a win in their P5 game like last season where they ranked ahead of the highest AAC school until they lost. Their combination of playing a P5 & BYU every year is a good one if they can beat BYU & go undefeated in-conference. BSU has, in fact, played BYU & 2 P5s in some years OOC which helped them financially even when they couldn't pull off an undefeated in-conference season.

I'll take it easy on you since someone else lit you up with a lot of what I was going to say, but in his unique way. The other point is even with the much bally-hooed OOC schedule of Boise, that you admire so much, they have played a grand total of 8 ranked teams in the 6 years of the CFP. During that same stretch, with our terrible OOC that you disdain, we have played 15 ranked teams.

That is more proof that what we currently do works. It's not the OOC games. Now there are certain changes that would certainly improve the schedule from ALL ASPECTS (financially, risk/reward, etc.). If we're doing H/H with G5's, I think we should look more to the MWC and less to the Sun. And if we're going with the Sun, then leverage for more 2-for-1's rather then H/H. And I'm not opposed to picking up a big time P5 here and there if you're going to do a buy game (rather than Arky or Purdue).

But multiple P5's year after year, with at least one on the road every year, is not an answer.

(06-29-2020 06:35 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 04:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:07 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:05 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:17 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  Boise was oh-so-close to being undefeated during last year's regular season. They are definitely still relevant.

With a tougher conference, it’s easier for Boise to go undefeated that it is for an AAC member. Also, with 6 NY6 bowl berths over the past 15 yrs, an undefeated Boise probably gets the NY6 berth over a 1-loss AAC champion.

As for us passing UCF - I’d have to disagree.... UCF has 3 NY6 bowl berths, and have won 2 of them. We only have one, and it was a loss. Plus, we haven’t beaten them in the past 4-5 yrs, including a couple of a$$ whoopin’s down in Orlando. Let’s beat them before we beat our chest.

As for the conference... We need for the Houston’s, SMU’s and Temple’s to keep getting better. The more good teams, the better our conference reputation becomes. We also need to keep building our Tiger brand so folks want to watch us on TV.

I meant... “with an easier conference” regarding Boise going undefeated.

I think BSU acknowledges a potential issue with their conference schedule by consistently scheduling a P5 every season + BYU OOC. In most recent years, poll voters tend to give BSU lot of love until they lose in-conference, especially if they can pull off a win in their P5 game like last season where they ranked ahead of the highest AAC school until they lost. Their combination of playing a P5 & BYU every year is a good one if they can beat BYU & go undefeated in-conference. BSU has, in fact, played BYU & 2 P5s in some years OOC which helped them financially even when they couldn't pull off an undefeated in-conference season.

It seems to me if BSU would just get into an easier conference they could be in the NY6 more years than not.

Not true at all. Their conference perceived weakness is what's hurting them. They try to compensate with the P5 games, but it ends up hurting them even more when they lose those games.

They have only achieved the Access slot one time in the CFP era (the same amount as the MAC). And that was in the first year (2014) when the AAC was in transition and no one realized how legit we were. Since then, they usually finish with at least two G5 teams ranked ahead of them in the final CFP rankings.

(06-30-2020 03:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 04:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:07 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:05 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:17 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  Boise was oh-so-close to being undefeated during last year's regular season. They are definitely still relevant.

With a tougher conference, it’s easier for Boise to go undefeated that it is for an AAC member. Also, with 6 NY6 bowl berths over the past 15 yrs, an undefeated Boise probably gets the NY6 berth over a 1-loss AAC champion.

As for us passing UCF - I’d have to disagree.... UCF has 3 NY6 bowl berths, and have won 2 of them. We only have one, and it was a loss. Plus, we haven’t beaten them in the past 4-5 yrs, including a couple of a$$ whoopin’s down in Orlando. Let’s beat them before we beat our chest.

As for the conference... We need for the Houston’s, SMU’s and Temple’s to keep getting better. The more good teams, the better our conference reputation becomes. We also need to keep building our Tiger brand so folks want to watch us on TV.

I meant... “with an easier conference” regarding Boise going undefeated.

I think BSU acknowledges a potential issue with their conference schedule by consistently scheduling a P5 every season + BYU OOC. In most recent years, poll voters tend to give BSU lot of love until they lose in-conference, especially if they can pull off a win in their P5 game like last season where they ranked ahead of the highest AAC school until they lost. Their combination of playing a P5 & BYU every year is a good one if they can beat BYU & go undefeated in-conference. BSU has, in fact, played BYU & 2 P5s in some years OOC which helped them financially even when they couldn't pull off an undefeated in-conference season.

I'll take it easy on you since someone else lit you up with a lot of what I was going to say, but in his unique way. The other point is even with the much bally-hooed OOC schedule of Boise, that you admire so much, they have played a grand total of 8 ranked teams in the 6 years of the CFP. During that same stretch, with our terrible OOC that you disdain, we have played 15 ranked teams.

That is more proof that what we currently do works. It's not the OOC games. Now there are certain changes that would certainly improve the schedule from ALL ASPECTS (financially, risk/reward, etc.). If we're doing H/H with G5's, I think we should look more to the MWC and less to the Sun. And if we're going with the Sun, then leverage for more 2-for-1's rather then H/H. And I'm not opposed to picking up a big time P5 here and there if you're going to do a buy game (rather than Arky or Purdue).

But multiple P5's year after year, with at least one on the road every year, is not an answer.

Now you change the discussion again. It's not a matter of whether I admire BSU's OOC schedule, it's that it has helped them receive 3 Fiesta bowl invites (& it got Boise their season opening game against UGA a few yrs ago too - big $$$) & we just rec'd our 1st NY6 bowl in our 80+yr history last yr - and the revenue that goes along with Boise playing their P5 OOC games in the reg season plus the bowl revenue. But you & others hang your hats on a one time NY6 bowl invite that we only rec'd because Boise lost in-conference & you want to claim we are scheduling right - SMH. Go look at the last season polls, after our lost to Temple we weren't even in the polls for weeks & Boise didn't drop until they lost in-conference. Until then, Boise was on track to get the NY6. And before you misrepresent me on something else, I don't think Boise plays better football than our Tigers but i do think with their approach to scheduling, if they go undefeated in the MWC & play tough OOC (even with a loss), Boise will get the NY6 bid against a record & schedule like we had last season. That's the problem with our approach to weak OOC scheduling, we leave revenue on the table, with the hopes it add wins & put us in a better polls position to take the NY6. But we have to win the conference to even have a chance - and how often will that happen - 2-3 times a decade? So what about all of those other years of leaving revenue on the table that we could have made against a better OOC schedule? And at the same time wins against UT-M, AR St, UL-Monroe, So AL, UTSA, Troy, GA St do nothing for revenue, nothing for putting fans in the stands & nothing for building our rep nationally. And BTW again I'm talking OOC schedule, other than playing OM when they were ranked when have we played a reg season game against a ranked OOC foe? Maybe UCLA until they played us - anyone else?

Go root for Boise

I'm rooting for a stronger OOC schedule. Our current AD seems to understand the need & is at least upgrading the OOC schedule slightly.

(07-01-2020 07:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm rooting for a stronger OOC schedule. Our current AD seems to understand the need & is at least upgrading the OOC schedule slightly.

I'm with you

(07-01-2020 07:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm rooting for a stronger OOC schedule. Our current AD seems to understand the need & is at least upgrading the OOC schedule slightly.

Hopefully we can continue to schedule mid-level P5's like Purdue & UCLA - and get home games from them. However, unless TV gets involved, we're going to find it harder and harder to schedule those types of teams to come here.

That's another reason I like playing Ole Miss, Miss St, Tennessee, Missouri & Ark - they will still play us here in the LB every now & then. They are the right "mid-level P5" types of teams that we are talking about playing, teams that will play at the LB, bring a lot of fans, and probably won't be double-digit favorites against the Tigers.

(07-01-2020 10:39 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 07:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm rooting for a stronger OOC schedule. Our current AD seems to understand the need & is at least upgrading the OOC schedule slightly.

Hopefully we can continue to schedule mid-level P5's like Purdue & UCLA - and get home games from them. However, unless TV gets involved, we're going to find it harder and harder to schedule those types of teams to come here.

That's another reason I like playing Ole Miss, Miss St, Tennessee, Missouri & Ark - they will still play us here in the LB every now & then. They are the right "mid-level P5" types of teams that we are talking about playing, teams that will play at the LB, bring a lot of fans, and probably won't be double-digit favorites against the Tigers.

I agree, but probably wouldn't include UTK in that group that will play us occasionally, since they have dodged us repeatedly. Also I wouldn't mind an occasional buy game against a Clemson, AL, UGA level program if they won't play us H&H. We'd make a great payday, we'd get natl TV, and even a one sided loss probably wouldn't hurt much. Cincy played Ohio St last season & got hammered but were still ranked above us until we beat them in the reg season. And just think of the recognition if we beat them (a Clemson type) or played them tough.

(07-01-2020 12:54 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 03:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 04:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:07 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:05 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  With a tougher conference, it’s easier for Boise to go undefeated that it is for an AAC member. Also, with 6 NY6 bowl berths over the past 15 yrs, an undefeated Boise probably gets the NY6 berth over a 1-loss AAC champion.

As for us passing UCF - I’d have to disagree.... UCF has 3 NY6 bowl berths, and have won 2 of them. We only have one, and it was a loss. Plus, we haven’t beaten them in the past 4-5 yrs, including a couple of a$$ whoopin’s down in Orlando. Let’s beat them before we beat our chest.

As for the conference... We need for the Houston’s, SMU’s and Temple’s to keep getting better. The more good teams, the better our conference reputation becomes. We also need to keep building our Tiger brand so folks want to watch us on TV.

I meant... “with an easier conference” regarding Boise going undefeated.

I think BSU acknowledges a potential issue with their conference schedule by consistently scheduling a P5 every season + BYU OOC. In most recent years, poll voters tend to give BSU lot of love until they lose in-conference, especially if they can pull off a win in their P5 game like last season where they ranked ahead of the highest AAC school until they lost. Their combination of playing a P5 & BYU every year is a good one if they can beat BYU & go undefeated in-conference. BSU has, in fact, played BYU & 2 P5s in some years OOC which helped them financially even when they couldn't pull off an undefeated in-conference season.

I'll take it easy on you since someone else lit you up with a lot of what I was going to say, but in his unique way. The other point is even with the much bally-hooed OOC schedule of Boise, that you admire so much, they have played a grand total of 8 ranked teams in the 6 years of the CFP. During that same stretch, with our terrible OOC that you disdain, we have played 15 ranked teams.

That is more proof that what we currently do works. It's not the OOC games. Now there are certain changes that would certainly improve the schedule from ALL ASPECTS (financially, risk/reward, etc.). If we're doing H/H with G5's, I think we should look more to the MWC and less to the Sun. And if we're going with the Sun, then leverage for more 2-for-1's rather then H/H. And I'm not opposed to picking up a big time P5 here and there if you're going to do a buy game (rather than Arky or Purdue).

But multiple P5's year after year, with at least one on the road every year, is not an answer.

Now you change the discussion again. It's not a matter of whether I admire BSU's OOC schedule, it's that it has helped them receive 3 Fiesta bowl invites (& it got Boise their season opening game against UGA a few yrs ago too - big $$$) & we just rec'd our 1st NY6 bowl in our 80+yr history last yr - and the revenue that goes along with Boise playing their P5 OOC games in the reg season plus the bowl revenue. But you & others hang your hats on a one time NY6 bowl invite that we only rec'd because Boise lost in-conference & you want to claim we are scheduling right - SMH. Go look at the last season polls, after our lost to Temple we weren't even in the polls for weeks & Boise didn't drop until they lost in-conference. Until then, Boise was on track to get the NY6. And before you misrepresent me on something else, I don't think Boise plays better football than our Tigers but i do think with their approach to scheduling, if they go undefeated in the MWC & play tough OOC (even with a loss), Boise will get the NY6 bid against a record & schedule like we had last season. That's the problem with our approach to weak OOC scheduling, we leave revenue on the table, with the hopes it add wins & put us in a better polls position to take the NY6. But we have to win the conference to even have a chance - and how often will that happen - 2-3 times a decade? So what about all of those other years of leaving revenue on the table that we could have made against a better OOC schedule? And at the same time wins against UT-M, AR St, UL-Monroe, So AL, UTSA, Troy, GA St do nothing for revenue, nothing for putting fans in the stands & nothing for building our rep nationally. And BTW again I'm talking OOC schedule, other than playing OM when they were ranked when have we played a reg season game against a ranked OOC foe? Maybe UCLA until they played us - anyone else?

You're a one-trick pony. Move on, man. I will correct you one more time on your misrepresented facts, and then I'm moving on.

We were ahead of Boise every single CFP ranking week last year. Both sitting with 1 loss, and we were ahead. Cincy was too, until they took back-to-back losses to us to close the season. In 2018, UCF was ahead of Boise every single CFP ranking. In 2017, we and UCF were both ahead of Boise in every single CFP ranking. In 2016, it was Western Michigan every week, and Navy at the end of the season. In 2015, it was all of us, Navy, Houston, and Temple. You have to go back to 2014 to find a season where Boise led the CFP - and that was when the AAC was in transition.

You can keep saying Boise has the edge if we're all sitting on the same record - but you will keep being wrong.

out

(07-01-2020 10:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 10:39 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 07:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm rooting for a stronger OOC schedule. Our current AD seems to understand the need & is at least upgrading the OOC schedule slightly.

Hopefully we can continue to schedule mid-level P5's like Purdue & UCLA - and get home games from them. However, unless TV gets involved, we're going to find it harder and harder to schedule those types of teams to come here.

That's another reason I like playing Ole Miss, Miss St, Tennessee, Missouri & Ark - they will still play us here in the LB every now & then. They are the right "mid-level P5" types of teams that we are talking about playing, teams that will play at the LB, bring a lot of fans, and probably won't be double-digit favorites against the Tigers.

I agree, but probably wouldn't include UTK in that group that will play us occasionally, since they have dodged us repeatedly. Also I wouldn't mind an occasional buy game against a Clemson, AL, UGA level program if they won't play us H&H. We'd make a great payday, we'd get natl TV, and even a one sided loss probably wouldn't hurt much. Cincy played Ohio St last season & got hammered but were still ranked above us until we beat them in the reg season. And just think of the recognition if we beat them (a Clemson type) or played them tough.

Okay, I should have read this before I said I was out. Because you KEEP on saying things that aren't accurate.

Cincy was behind us in the CFP rankings last year in the 2 weeks PRIOR to us playing them. We were neck and neck, sure. But we were ahead. So their loss to Ohio State was more damaging than our loss to Temple. You shouldn't have to misrepresent to try to make your point.

Okay, now I'm really out of this back and forth.

(07-01-2020 07:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm rooting for a stronger OOC schedule. Our current AD seems to understand the need & is at least upgrading the OOC schedule slightly.

Let's schedule Ohio State, and then get eliminated from the NY6 spot if we don't go 4-0 against our ranked opponents the rest of the way...while Boise doesn't play a single ranked opponent the entire season.

This isn't for your benefit because you have no common sense; it is for others.

We played 4 games against teams that ended up ranked going into bowl season. Let's say we schedule Ohio State and lose to them. That means that we could have gone 3-1 against ranked teams after that and would have lost out the NY6 spot to a Boise team that played ZERO ranked teams the entire season.

Clemson - 0 games against teams ranked going into bowl season
Memphis - 4 games against teams ranked going into bowl season

Atlanta would be happier going 11-2 winning the AAC Championship game in the 4th toughest conference in the country and a Birmingham Bowl, than going 12-1 and playing in the Cotton Bowl.

Let's make our schedule harder. GREAT idea genius.

(07-01-2020 12:54 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 03:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 04:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:07 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:05 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  With a tougher conference, it’s easier for Boise to go undefeated that it is for an AAC member. Also, with 6 NY6 bowl berths over the past 15 yrs, an undefeated Boise probably gets the NY6 berth over a 1-loss AAC champion.

As for us passing UCF - I’d have to disagree.... UCF has 3 NY6 bowl berths, and have won 2 of them. We only have one, and it was a loss. Plus, we haven’t beaten them in the past 4-5 yrs, including a couple of a$$ whoopin’s down in Orlando. Let’s beat them before we beat our chest.

As for the conference... We need for the Houston’s, SMU’s and Temple’s to keep getting better. The more good teams, the better our conference reputation becomes. We also need to keep building our Tiger brand so folks want to watch us on TV.

I meant... “with an easier conference” regarding Boise going undefeated.

I think BSU acknowledges a potential issue with their conference schedule by consistently scheduling a P5 every season + BYU OOC. In most recent years, poll voters tend to give BSU lot of love until they lose in-conference, especially if they can pull off a win in their P5 game like last season where they ranked ahead of the highest AAC school until they lost. Their combination of playing a P5 & BYU every year is a good one if they can beat BYU & go undefeated in-conference. BSU has, in fact, played BYU & 2 P5s in some years OOC which helped them financially even when they couldn't pull off an undefeated in-conference season.

I'll take it easy on you since someone else lit you up with a lot of what I was going to say, but in his unique way. The other point is even with the much bally-hooed OOC schedule of Boise, that you admire so much, they have played a grand total of 8 ranked teams in the 6 years of the CFP. During that same stretch, with our terrible OOC that you disdain, we have played 15 ranked teams.

That is more proof that what we currently do works. It's not the OOC games. Now there are certain changes that would certainly improve the schedule from ALL ASPECTS (financially, risk/reward, etc.). If we're doing H/H with G5's, I think we should look more to the MWC and less to the Sun. And if we're going with the Sun, then leverage for more 2-for-1's rather then H/H. And I'm not opposed to picking up a big time P5 here and there if you're going to do a buy game (rather than Arky or Purdue).

But multiple P5's year after year, with at least one on the road every year, is not an answer.

Now you change the discussion again. It's not a matter of whether I admire BSU's OOC schedule, it's that it has helped them receive 3 Fiesta bowl invites (& it got Boise their season opening game against UGA a few yrs ago too - big $$$) & we just rec'd our 1st NY6 bowl in our 80+yr history last yr - and the revenue that goes along with Boise playing their P5 OOC games in the reg season plus the bowl revenue. But you & others hang your hats on a one time NY6 bowl invite that we only rec'd because Boise lost in-conference & you want to claim we are scheduling right - SMH. Go look at the last season polls, after our lost to Temple we weren't even in the polls for weeks & Boise didn't drop until they lost in-conference. Until then, Boise was on track to get the NY6. And before you misrepresent me on something else, I don't think Boise plays better football than our Tigers but i do think with their approach to scheduling, if they go undefeated in the MWC & play tough OOC (even with a loss), Boise will get the NY6 bid against a record & schedule like we had last season. That's the problem with our approach to weak OOC scheduling, we leave revenue on the table, with the hopes it add wins & put us in a better polls position to take the NY6. But we have to win the conference to even have a chance - and how often will that happen - 2-3 times a decade? So what about all of those other years of leaving revenue on the table that we could have made against a better OOC schedule? And at the same time wins against UT-M, AR St, UL-Monroe, So AL, UTSA, Troy, GA St do nothing for revenue, nothing for putting fans in the stands & nothing for building our rep nationally. And BTW again I'm talking OOC schedule, other than playing OM when they were ranked when have we played a reg season game against a ranked OOC foe? Maybe UCLA until they played us - anyone else?

Just to show how completely dumb on every level your argument is.

Quote:It's not a matter of whether I admire BSU's OOC schedule, it's that it has helped them receive 3 Fiesta bowl invites

2019
Beat Florida State, loss to BYU costs them the NY6 game

2018
Beat BYU, loss to Oklahoma State costs them possible NY6 bid by early October when they lose in conference to San Diego State

2017
Losses to Washington State and Virginia eliminate them from NY6 consideration by the 3rd week of September, beat BYU

2016
Beat unranked Washington State, unranked Oregon State, unranked BYU, but lose 2 conference games including CCG. Get no credit for any of them as they go from #13 to #24 after their first loss and finish the season unranked.

2015
Beat unranked Washington, beat unranked Virginia, lose to BYU the 2nd game of the season putting them in the same spot as Cincinnati last year; having to win 11 games in a row to maybe get the NY6 bowl bid.

Boise OOC Opponent Final Ranking
2019
UR - Florida State W
UR - BYU L

2018
UR - Florida State W
UR - Oklahoma State L

2017
UR - Washington State L
UR - Virginia L
UR - BYU W

2016
UR - Washington State W
UR - Oregon State W
UR - BYU W

2015
UR - Washington W
UR - BYU L
UR - Virginia W

MWC Conference Teams Ranked Going Into Bowl Season (Besides Boise)
2019 - 0
2018 - Fresno State (Boise lost to them)
2017 - 0
2016 - 0
2015 - 0

Memphis Opponents Ranked Going Into Bowl Season
2019 - Cincinnati (2), Navy (3-0)
2018 - UCF (2) (0-2)
2017 - UCF (2) (0-2)
2016 - Navy, Temple (1-1)
2015 - Temple, Navy, Houston, Ole Piss (1-3)
In the last 5 years, Boise has played 13 games against P5 opponents, with ZERO of them entering the bowl season ranked.

Wins Versus Ranked Opponents Going Into Bowl Season 2015-2019
5 Memphis
0 Boise

Again, sorry if I keep calling your arguments nonsense. A normal person would have stopped debating 5 posts ago.