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RE: Transfer portal
I’d love to see stats, albeit subjective, that show the flotsam and jetsam in the portal. You transfer nowadays, chances of having zero takers or ending up in FCS are really high. Not a ton of folks moving up in the world via transfer. Portal is filled with guys who will likely never play football again. I wonder if it’s a procedural requirement for transferring to take classes elsewhere for someone who has decided to hang up his cleats for non-medical reasons.
 
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(08-11-2020 08:22 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’d love to see stats, albeit subjective, that show the flotsam and jetsam in the portal. You transfer nowadays, chances of having zero takers or ending up in FCS are really high. Not a ton of folks moving up in the world via transfer. Portal is filled with guys who will likely never play football again. I wonder if it’s a procedural requirement for transferring to take classes elsewhere for someone who has decided to hang up his cleats for non-medical reasons.

The Athletic ran a great story on it last summer leading up to the 2019 season. Coaches try to tell their players 99% of the time the grass isn't greener.

"The Fuzzy Math of the NCAA Transfer Portal"

"The portal has become an open marketplace struggling with an extremely basic issue: too much supply, limited demand. At just the Power 5 level, more than 450 players have entered the portal, according to 247Sports’ transfer portal tracker. And at the moment (May 16, 2019 publish date), 240 of them are uncommitted. Including Group of 5 players, the total available is far more than 400.

A more telling reality check from this portal era: Of the more than 450 looking to leave Power 5 schools, only 20 percent have ended up at another Power 5 program. Upon hearing that percentage, Edwards paused and then replied: “I’m actually gonna go tell our team that. I want to make sure they understand this, because I don’t want a kid to be blindsided.”

Ninety-two players have transferred from one Power 5 school to another. Perhaps more alarming, as few as 65 have found a spot at a Group of 5 school. It would seem as if there are far more opportunities out there at the Group of 5 level for players on the move. But there aren’t."
 
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Malick Mbodj is at YSU
 
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Can a high-schooler enter the transfer portal?
 
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(08-11-2020 10:48 AM)doss2 Wrote:  Malick Mbodj is at YSU

Our former RB and Associate HC Doug Phillips is the new HC there. The WR Coach was our Quality Control guy. RB Coach was a grad assistant here. Austin Bujnoch is coaching the OL. A lot of UC ties there now.
 
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RE: Transfer portal
Maybe this has been talked about elsewhere but I stumbled onto this article today:

5 Pac-12 stars who could transfer after cancelation of 2020 season

Now we might not be a likely destination for many of these guys but could we be in play for similar guys from the Big Ten or MAC studs if we still play?

I'm not sure about the transfer rules right now, but I'd think if your school has canceled their season for whatever reason, the opportunity to play at a different school (especially for your last year of eligibility) would be a strong reason to grant immediate eligibility.

Could be a HUGE opportunity for some schools although available scholllies could put a huge damper on being able to add very many. As Joe Burrow alluded to in his comments losing this year can have a huge career affect. Is this stuff potential opportunity being discussed anywhere else?
 
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(06-17-2020 09:16 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 09:55 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens to a player that enters the portal, but can't find a team to transfer to? Does he stay with his original team, or did he lose his scholars the moment he entered the portal?

I wonder how long before the Georgia State coach and fans are super disappointed in NSOSEME's offensive skills?

Not sure what exactly you meant by this, but FYI I happened to stumble on to this GA St. regular season (14-5 record) wrap-up:

Quote:Most Valuable Player: Eliel Nsoseme

Nsoseme went on a tear in the regular season, averaging nearly a double-double and taking the Sun Belt Conference by storm. He posted up 11.7 points and 9.9 rebounds per game on an astounding 61% from the field. He may very well be one of the most skilled rebounders in program history.

In his first season with the Panthers, the Cincinnati transfer recorded eight games with ten or more rebounds and tallied four double-doubles. He recorded his career-high 20 rebounds against Mercer, and his tenacity on the boards is unmatched by anyone on the team.

After redshirting last season, he is dominant performance on the boards topped anything the program ever saw before.

Nsoseme’s season saw him post the second-best defensive rebound percentage in program history and average the fourth-most rebounds per game.

He also etched himself into second place all-time in PER and win shares. With great skill on the court, he translates the skills of being a leader off the court.

“Not just what he does on the court, but when he’s on the bench, he is the number one cheerleader, he motivates guys, he gets in guys’ faces [and] the guys on the team respect him,” Associate Athletic Director Mike Holmes said.
 
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RE: Transfer portal
(03-09-2021 01:57 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(06-17-2020 09:16 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 09:55 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens to a player that enters the portal, but can't find a team to transfer to? Does he stay with his original team, or did he lose his scholars the moment he entered the portal?

I wonder how long before the Georgia State coach and fans are super disappointed in NSOSEME's offensive skills?

Not sure what exactly you meant by this, but FYI I happened to stumble on to this GA St. regular season (14-5 record) wrap-up:

Quote:Most Valuable Player: Eliel Nsoseme

Nsoseme went on a tear in the regular season, averaging nearly a double-double and taking the Sun Belt Conference by storm. He posted up 11.7 points and 9.9 rebounds per game on an astounding 61% from the field. He may very well be one of the most skilled rebounders in program history.

In his first season with the Panthers, the Cincinnati transfer recorded eight games with ten or more rebounds and tallied four double-doubles. He recorded his career-high 20 rebounds against Mercer, and his tenacity on the boards is unmatched by anyone on the team.

After redshirting last season, he is dominant performance on the boards topped anything the program ever saw before.

Nsoseme’s season saw him post the second-best defensive rebound percentage in program history and average the fourth-most rebounds per game.

He also etched himself into second place all-time in PER and win shares. With great skill on the court, he translates the skills of being a leader off the court.

“Not just what he does on the court, but when he’s on the bench, he is the number one cheerleader, he motivates guys, he gets in guys’ faces [and] the guys on the team respect him,” Associate Athletic Director Mike Holmes said.

What the portal has really underlined is the vast gulf between high major and mid major talent levels. One consistently sees mid major stars who have trouble getting on the floor when they transfer to a high major, and high major players who got single digits minutes becoming all-conference when they step down to a mid major. One also sees that, even when the mid major transfer provides useful minutes to his new high major team, those minutes usually come against the weaker opponents; they tend to struggle against the top of the conference.

If a player's best offer out of HS was Colgate or NKU there is usually a reason for that that is still apparent even if that players later becomes all conference in the Patriot or Horizon; you can't just plug that fellow into your lineup at your would-be Top 25 program.

I think Mick understood this; I'm not so sure that Brannen does.
 
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RE: Transfer portal
(03-09-2021 04:22 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 01:57 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(06-17-2020 09:16 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 09:55 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens to a player that enters the portal, but can't find a team to transfer to? Does he stay with his original team, or did he lose his scholars the moment he entered the portal?

I wonder how long before the Georgia State coach and fans are super disappointed in NSOSEME's offensive skills?

Not sure what exactly you meant by this, but FYI I happened to stumble on to this GA St. regular season (14-5 record) wrap-up:

Quote:Most Valuable Player: Eliel Nsoseme

Nsoseme went on a tear in the regular season, averaging nearly a double-double and taking the Sun Belt Conference by storm. He posted up 11.7 points and 9.9 rebounds per game on an astounding 61% from the field. He may very well be one of the most skilled rebounders in program history.

In his first season with the Panthers, the Cincinnati transfer recorded eight games with ten or more rebounds and tallied four double-doubles. He recorded his career-high 20 rebounds against Mercer, and his tenacity on the boards is unmatched by anyone on the team.

After redshirting last season, he is dominant performance on the boards topped anything the program ever saw before.

Nsoseme’s season saw him post the second-best defensive rebound percentage in program history and average the fourth-most rebounds per game.

He also etched himself into second place all-time in PER and win shares. With great skill on the court, he translates the skills of being a leader off the court.

“Not just what he does on the court, but when he’s on the bench, he is the number one cheerleader, he motivates guys, he gets in guys’ faces [and] the guys on the team respect him,” Associate Athletic Director Mike Holmes said.

What the portal has really underlined is the vast gulf between high major and mid major talent levels. One consistently sees mid major stars who have trouble getting on the floor when they transfer to a high major, and high major players who got single digits minutes becoming all-conference when they step down to a mid major. One also sees that, even when the mid major transfer provides useful minutes to his new high major team, those minutes usually come against the weaker opponents; they tend to struggle against the top of the conference.

If a player's best offer out of HS was Colgate or NKU there is usually a reason for that that is still apparent even if that players later becomes all conference in the Patriot or Horizon; you can't just plug that fellow into your lineup at your would-be Top 25 program.

I think Mick understood this; I'm not so sure that Brannen does.

That's all fair. That said, what i would give for a big that wants to play defense and rebound, instead of relying on their athleticism to make plays, or looking for their shot. i get Nsoseme probably wasn't high D1 talent but after Vogt, he probably would have been first off of the bench subbing at the 5.
 
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RE: Transfer portal
(03-09-2021 04:22 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 01:57 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(06-17-2020 09:16 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 09:55 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens to a player that enters the portal, but can't find a team to transfer to? Does he stay with his original team, or did he lose his scholars the moment he entered the portal?

I wonder how long before the Georgia State coach and fans are super disappointed in NSOSEME's offensive skills?

Not sure what exactly you meant by this, but FYI I happened to stumble on to this GA St. regular season (14-5 record) wrap-up:

Quote:Most Valuable Player: Eliel Nsoseme

Nsoseme went on a tear in the regular season, averaging nearly a double-double and taking the Sun Belt Conference by storm. He posted up 11.7 points and 9.9 rebounds per game on an astounding 61% from the field. He may very well be one of the most skilled rebounders in program history.

In his first season with the Panthers, the Cincinnati transfer recorded eight games with ten or more rebounds and tallied four double-doubles. He recorded his career-high 20 rebounds against Mercer, and his tenacity on the boards is unmatched by anyone on the team.

After redshirting last season, he is dominant performance on the boards topped anything the program ever saw before.

Nsoseme’s season saw him post the second-best defensive rebound percentage in program history and average the fourth-most rebounds per game.

He also etched himself into second place all-time in PER and win shares. With great skill on the court, he translates the skills of being a leader off the court.

“Not just what he does on the court, but when he’s on the bench, he is the number one cheerleader, he motivates guys, he gets in guys’ faces [and] the guys on the team respect him,” Associate Athletic Director Mike Holmes said.

What the portal has really underlined is the vast gulf between high major and mid major talent levels. One consistently sees mid major stars who have trouble getting on the floor when they transfer to a high major, and high major players who got single digits minutes becoming all-conference when they step down to a mid major. One also sees that, even when the mid major transfer provides useful minutes to his new high major team, those minutes usually come against the weaker opponents; they tend to struggle against the top of the conference.

If a player's best offer out of HS was Colgate or NKU there is usually a reason for that that is still apparent even if that players later becomes all conference in the Patriot or Horizon; you can't just plug that fellow into your lineup at your would-be Top 25 program.

I think Mick understood this; I'm not so sure that Brannen does.

Ivanauskas was a 4* recruit who originally committed to Northwestern but yes, the point remains. However, with that, there are always going to be people who translate...something tells me Ja Morant, Dylan Windler, or Mike Daun would've been fine making the transition. I think the allure of the tape translating is what keeps people coming back, also, to say Cronin didn't use the portal is a bit misleading because the portal wasn't around. He would've had to wait, and I don't think he was one all that willing to do that for a project who didn't have 4 full years to develop (although he did take his fair share of transfers in Thomas, Broome, Williams, etc.) He also didn't have a need to, as his wasn't turning a program over from a previous regime.
 
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(03-09-2021 04:22 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  What the portal has really underlined is the vast gulf between high major and mid major talent levels. One consistently sees mid major stars who have trouble getting on the floor when they transfer to a high major, and high major players who got single digits minutes becoming all-conference when they step down to a mid major. One also sees that, even when the mid major transfer provides useful minutes to his new high major team, those minutes usually come against the weaker opponents; they tend to struggle against the top of the conference.

If a player's best offer out of HS was Colgate or NKU there is usually a reason for that that is still apparent even if that players later becomes all conference in the Patriot or Horizon; you can't just plug that fellow into your lineup at your would-be Top 25 program.

I think Mick understood this; I'm not so sure that Brannen does.
Texas Tech's National Runner up Roster included:

Matt Mooney- a Senior Grad transfer from South Dakota who was their second highest usage player.

Tariq Owens - A grad transfer from St. Johns (A starter with the second highest offensive rating on the team).

I don't think it makes sense to center your roster on grad transfers, but if you get the right guys they can be huge for your program.
 
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(03-09-2021 10:27 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 04:22 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  What the portal has really underlined is the vast gulf between high major and mid major talent levels. One consistently sees mid major stars who have trouble getting on the floor when they transfer to a high major, and high major players who got single digits minutes becoming all-conference when they step down to a mid major. One also sees that, even when the mid major transfer provides useful minutes to his new high major team, those minutes usually come against the weaker opponents; they tend to struggle against the top of the conference.

If a player's best offer out of HS was Colgate or NKU there is usually a reason for that that is still apparent even if that players later becomes all conference in the Patriot or Horizon; you can't just plug that fellow into your lineup at your would-be Top 25 program.

I think Mick understood this; I'm not so sure that Brannen does.
Texas Tech's National Runner up Roster included:

Matt Mooney- a Senior Grad transfer from South Dakota who was their second highest usage player.

Tariq Owens - A grad transfer from St. Johns (A starter with the second highest offensive rating on the team).

I don't think it makes sense to center your roster on grad transfers, but if you get the right guys they can be huge for your program.

I agree.

UC had two transfers that turned last year's squad into a tournament team:

Jaevin Cumberland was a stud defender at Oakland, and his advanced stats suggest he was a slightly above average defender at UC. Offensively he stayed about the same: he scored 26.5 points per 100 possessions his senior year at Oakland, and 23.1 at UC.

Chris Vogt was NOT a stud at NKU. He actually did better at UC than he did at NKU. His advanced stats (per 100 possessions) show that his defense went up, he stopped fouling as much, and he had fewer turnovers. His playing time went way up.

NKU, freshman year: 3 minutes per game, 18.9 points per 100 possessions
NKU, sophomore year: 13 minutes per game, 20.1 points per 100 possessions
UC, Junior year: 29 minutes per game, 22.4 points per 100 possessions, 29 minutes, 11.0 points
UC, Senior year: 20 minutes per game, 14.4 points per 100 possessions
 
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(03-09-2021 10:27 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 04:22 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  What the portal has really underlined is the vast gulf between high major and mid major talent levels. One consistently sees mid major stars who have trouble getting on the floor when they transfer to a high major, and high major players who got single digits minutes becoming all-conference when they step down to a mid major. One also sees that, even when the mid major transfer provides useful minutes to his new high major team, those minutes usually come against the weaker opponents; they tend to struggle against the top of the conference.

If a player's best offer out of HS was Colgate or NKU there is usually a reason for that that is still apparent even if that players later becomes all conference in the Patriot or Horizon; you can't just plug that fellow into your lineup at your would-be Top 25 program.

I think Mick understood this; I'm not so sure that Brannen does.
Texas Tech's National Runner up Roster included:

Matt Mooney- a Senior Grad transfer from South Dakota who was their second highest usage player.

Tariq Owens - A grad transfer from St. Johns (A starter with the second highest offensive rating on the team).

I don't think it makes sense to center your roster on grad transfers, but if you get the right guys they can be huge for your program.

Owens doesn't really negate my point, since he came in from a high major program. Mooney? Yeah, that's somebody. How many like him are out there?
 
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(03-09-2021 10:03 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 04:22 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 01:57 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(06-17-2020 09:16 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 09:55 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens to a player that enters the portal, but can't find a team to transfer to? Does he stay with his original team, or did he lose his scholars the moment he entered the portal?

I wonder how long before the Georgia State coach and fans are super disappointed in NSOSEME's offensive skills?

Not sure what exactly you meant by this, but FYI I happened to stumble on to this GA St. regular season (14-5 record) wrap-up:

Quote:Most Valuable Player: Eliel Nsoseme

Nsoseme went on a tear in the regular season, averaging nearly a double-double and taking the Sun Belt Conference by storm. He posted up 11.7 points and 9.9 rebounds per game on an astounding 61% from the field. He may very well be one of the most skilled rebounders in program history.

In his first season with the Panthers, the Cincinnati transfer recorded eight games with ten or more rebounds and tallied four double-doubles. He recorded his career-high 20 rebounds against Mercer, and his tenacity on the boards is unmatched by anyone on the team.

After redshirting last season, he is dominant performance on the boards topped anything the program ever saw before.

Nsoseme’s season saw him post the second-best defensive rebound percentage in program history and average the fourth-most rebounds per game.

He also etched himself into second place all-time in PER and win shares. With great skill on the court, he translates the skills of being a leader off the court.

“Not just what he does on the court, but when he’s on the bench, he is the number one cheerleader, he motivates guys, he gets in guys’ faces [and] the guys on the team respect him,” Associate Athletic Director Mike Holmes said.

What the portal has really underlined is the vast gulf between high major and mid major talent levels. One consistently sees mid major stars who have trouble getting on the floor when they transfer to a high major, and high major players who got single digits minutes becoming all-conference when they step down to a mid major. One also sees that, even when the mid major transfer provides useful minutes to his new high major team, those minutes usually come against the weaker opponents; they tend to struggle against the top of the conference.

If a player's best offer out of HS was Colgate or NKU there is usually a reason for that that is still apparent even if that players later becomes all conference in the Patriot or Horizon; you can't just plug that fellow into your lineup at your would-be Top 25 program.

I think Mick understood this; I'm not so sure that Brannen does.

Ivanauskas was a 4* recruit who originally committed to Northwestern but yes, the point remains. However, with that, there are always going to be people who translate...something tells me Ja Morant, Dylan Windler, or Mike Daun would've been fine making the transition. I think the allure of the tape translating is what keeps people coming back, also, to say Cronin didn't use the portal is a bit misleading because the portal wasn't around. He would've had to wait, and I don't think he was one all that willing to do that for a project who didn't have 4 full years to develop (although he did take his fair share of transfers in Thomas, Broome, Williams, etc.) He also didn't have a need to, as his wasn't turning a program over from a previous regime.

I actually think if Rap was healthy and stuck with it he would have contributed more in the second half of the year as Eason has gotten more comfortable. It was hard playing Vogt and Rap at the same time, not to mention we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn on the perimeter the first couple months of the year. Inside guys look and generally play a lot better when outside guys are making shots and unfortunately we weren't to the tune of almost being the worst team in college bball from long range. Again, it's helped out offense a lot since Madsen has been available to play.
 
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(03-09-2021 01:14 PM)dsquare Wrote:  I actually think if Rap was healthy and stuck with it he would have contributed more in the second half of the year as Eason has gotten more comfortable. It was hard playing Vogt and Rap at the same time, not to mention we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn on the perimeter the first couple months of the year. Inside guys look and generally play a lot better when outside guys are making shots and unfortunately we weren't to the tune of almost being the worst team in college bball from long range. Again, it's helped out offense a lot since Madsen has been available to play.

I agree Rap could have contributed to this team if he was willing to not start and to play along side Eason. He and Vogt didn't fit together but I think as Rap got more comfortable and picked his spots better he had the offensive game to be a nice piece. I think Rap's issues were part fit, but part just attitude in what he thought his role should be.

That said long term it was better Rap left and this team wasn't a tournament team anyways if Rap stayed. So it probably worked out for the best.
 
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I really wish there was some way we coud've gotten Dejulius and Jalen Tate together. I know it wouldn't fix any of the problems down low, but Tate is having a phenomenal year as a Grad transfer and we were so damn close on him. Average 10.9 pts, 3.8 boards, and 4 assists on 50.7%-34.9%-67.2% shooting.
 
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Say it ain't so! Samari Curtis is in the transfer portal. Working on his fifth school in two years, now.


 
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He's going to end up back at prep school.
 
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Samari actually played really well this year. He didn't start any games, but he averaged 22 minutes and 10 points a game. He also has really good advanced defensive stats.

But I think Likliter is a pretty well respected coach. If you can't handle playing for him, I doubt many other coaches are going to take a flyer on you unless you're an all-conference type player.
 
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