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I expect this to be a trend this year with the publications, though I don’t believe we’re that bad.

Interesting short article: https://twitter.com/herosportsnews/statu...67009?s=21
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I don’t know if I can handle a 3-9 year....I think and hope this is a far underestimation
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I think this article does an accurate job in summarizing, N.I.U., over the last 20 years, last year and the current state of the program. As of now, I will say, we are looking at 3 -5 wins, this year.


Also, due to the unique, circumstances leading up to this season, coaching, and their staffs will mean more than usual. This goes for the intangible of team chemistry. This does not bode well for us, considering, 7 months ago, we had trouble with setting on up a point formation. . As far as, I can see there are no team leaders as well. I will refrain, from commenting on this team until, I see the kids play....only fair.


As a fan, I am angry and frustrated, to see my school, fll back to futility, not seen for 20 years, over the course of a single season. I do not quite understand the attitude of those on the board for whom their gameplan is wait till 2026, we have a light schedule...really..I guess this is the state of the union for Huskie Football..NIU has become no different than 21st century version of MAC East schools, and any school not named N.I.U or Toledo.

By the way, the very same way, I would never judge kids I have never seen play, and how is it, some of you are aable to predict their success come to 2027, or whatever year, you are excited for.
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(06-14-2020 08:06 AM)Jb 94 Wrote:  I think this article does an accurate job in summarizing, N.I.U., over the last 20 years, last year and the current state of the program. As of now, I will say, we are looking at 3 -5 wins, this year.


Also, due to the unique, circumstances leading up to this season, coaching, and their staffs will mean more than usual. This goes for the intangible of team chemistry. This does not bode well for us, considering, 7 months ago, we had trouble with setting on up a point formation. . As far as, I can see there are no team leaders as well. I will refrain, from commenting on this team until, I see the kids play....only fair.


As a fan, I am angry and frustrated, to see my school, fll back to futility, not seen for 20 years, over the course of a single season. I do not quite understand the attitude of those on the board for whom their gameplan is wait till 2026, we have a light schedule...really..I guess this is the state of the union for Huskie Football..NIU has become no different than 21st century version of MAC East schools, and any school not named N.I.U or Toledo.

By the way, the very same way, I would never judge kids I have never seen play, and how is it, some of you are aable to predict their success come to 2027, or whatever year, you are excited for.

94---there are just some things about your post that confuse me. Please clarify---that last year we "fil back to futility not seen for 20 years"----I think I know what you are saying...but...

Didn't we go from 11 wins in 2014---
---to eight wins in 2015
---to five wins in 2016

The drop from eight wins to in 2018 to five in 2019 really was a repeat of something that only happened three seasons ago---not 20.

And I appreciate that you say that you will refrain from commenting until you see the kids play even though your previous sentences tell us that we have trouble setting up a point formation (have no earthy idea what a point formation is) and that you see that there are no team leaders as well.

Let's please temper expectations of the Orange Bowl year--that was impossible to sustain and was eight years ago. Let's continue to be thankful that we have been able to stay away from continued 2-10 seasons year after year.

So what? Expectations are low. Isn't that something that should make us proud that we've continued to have high expectations for a long period of time at a MAC level program????

Continue on with your pot shots at this coach and staff--we know the agenda. Let's remember, with the exception of Dave Doeren, every coach we have had, has been on the wrong side of a .500 season during their tenure dating back a long, long time.
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A random article from a low-ranking sports journalist. Also fine if this is a trend this year in the press, "where is the old reliable NIU?".

Just enjoy the season, we'll have the wins back at some point, guessing shortly.

Nice to see there is a general knowledge out there of our recent ass kicking tendencies....
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I don't have a problem with a 2- to 3-year downward trend/rebuilding process every 10 years or so if NIU competes for division and MAC titles most of those 10 years. Maybe most people here would find it acceptable to have a 2-3 year backslide every 15 years. If you had asked me when I went to school if I would agree to a 3-year rebuild after a load of MACC and bowl games, I would have said, "Hell yes!" I don't know if you can build permanent dynasties in the MAC, especially with transfer rules easing and Power 5 schools now able to cherry pick MAC players that coaches/programs have developed.
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(06-14-2020 10:46 AM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:06 AM)Jb 94 Wrote:  I think this article does an accurate job in summarizing, N.I.U., over the last 20 years, last year and the current state of the program. As of now, I will say, we are looking at 3 -5 wins, this year.


Also, due to the unique, circumstances leading up to this season, coaching, and their staffs will mean more than usual. This goes for the intangible of team chemistry. This does not bode well for us, considering, 7 months ago, we had trouble with setting on up a point formation. . As far as, I can see there are no team leaders as well. I will refrain, from commenting on this team until, I see the kids play....only fair.


As a fan, I am angry and frustrated, to see my school, fll back to futility, not seen for 20 years, over the course of a single season. I do not quite understand the attitude of those on the board for whom their gameplan is wait till 2026, we have a light schedule...really..I guess this is the state of the union for Huskie Football..NIU has become no different than 21st century version of MAC East schools, and any school not named N.I.U or Toledo.

By the way, the very same way, I would never judge kids I have never seen play, and how is it, some of you are aable to predict their success come to 2027, or whatever year, you are excited for.

94---there are just some things about your post that confuse me. Please clarify---that last year we "fil back to futility not seen for 20 years"----I think I know what you are saying...but...

Didn't we go from 11 wins in 2014---
---to eight wins in 2015
---to five wins in 2016

The drop from eight wins to in 2018 to five in 2019 really was a repeat of something that only happened three seasons ago---not 20.

And I appreciate that you say that you will refrain from commenting until you see the kids play even though your previous sentences tell us that we have trouble setting up a point formation (have no earthy idea what a point formation is) and that you see that there are no team leaders as well.

Let's please temper expectations of the Orange Bowl year--that was impossible to sustain and was eight years ago. Let's continue to be thankful that we have been able to stay away from continued 2-10 seasons year after year.

So what? Expectations are low. Isn't that something that should make us proud that we've continued to have high expectations for a long period of time at a MAC level program????

Continue on with your pot shots at this coach and staff--we know the agenda. Let's remember, with the exception of Dave Doeren, every coach we have had, has been on the wrong side of a .500 season during their tenure dating back a long, long time.
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(06-14-2020 10:46 AM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:06 AM)Jb 94 Wrote:  I think this article does an accurate job in summarizing, N.I.U., over the last 20 years, last year and the current state of the program. As of now, I will say, we are looking at 3 -5 wins, this year.


Also, due to the unique, circumstances leading up to this season, coaching, and their staffs will mean more than usual. This goes for the intangible of team chemistry. This does not bode well for us, considering, 7 months ago, we had trouble with setting on up a point formation. . As far as, I can see there are no team leaders as well. I will refrain, from commenting on this team until, I see the kids play....only fair.


As a fan, I am angry and frustrated, to see my school, fll back to futility, not seen for 20 years, over the course of a single season. I do not quite understand the attitude of those on the board for whom their gameplan is wait till 2026, we have a light schedule...really..I guess this is the state of the union for Huskie Football..NIU has become no different than 21st century version of MAC East schools, and any school not named N.I.U or Toledo.

By the way, the very same way, I would never judge kids I have never seen play, and how is it, some of you are aable to predict their success come to 2027, or whatever year, you are excited for.

94---there are just some things about your post that confuse me. Please clarify---that last year we "fil back to futility not seen for 20 years"----I think I know what you are saying...but...

Didn't we go from 11 wins in 2014---
---to eight wins in 2015
---to five wins in 2016

The drop from eight wins to in 2018 to five in 2019 really was a repeat of something that only happened three seasons ago---not 20.

And I appreciate that you say that you will refrain from commenting until you see the kids play even though your previous sentences tell us that we have trouble setting up a point formation (have no earthy idea what a point formation is) and that you see that there are no team leaders as well.

Let's please temper expectations of the Orange Bowl year--that was impossible to sustain and was eight years ago. Let's continue to be thankful that we have been able to stay away from continued 2-10 seasons year after year.

So what? Expectations are low. Isn't that something that should make us proud that we've continued to have high expectations for a long period of time at a MAC level program????

Continue on with your pot shots at this coach and staff--we know the agenda. Let's remember, with the exception of Dave Doeren, every coach we have had, has been on the wrong side of a .500 season during their tenure dating back a long, long time.
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I apologize for the confusion. I typed incorrectly, meant to say punt. As for me, I was well aware, during the Orange Bowl, we were peaking. Unlike, others,, I never had grandiose disallusions, of moving up to the Big 12.

Our success, was totally taken for granted by many, and that has been silly, and frustrating.
Of course, our success, wayned, after the Orange Bowl...what did you expect. However, Coach Carey, did an amazing job to sustain our success, and brand. The proof lies in our championships, and brand recognition at the time of his departure.

Coaches from Novak through, coach Carey kept the legacy going. I have no problem with thomas Hammock, as the person. He is a huskie, who who was a great contributor to Northern 's team. He also has a ton of integrity, and seems to work hard.

Thus far, my issues, started, when he felt the need to overhaul, the system which had produced success for the past two decades. Also, did not feel, it was in our best interest to hire a coach from the nfl, with no previous head coaching experience. Also, was promised a juggernaut, which was equally as boring as a previous coachs...made a point to say, that would never happen.

The hires for assistant coaches did not jive, and that was evident, in blow out mac defeats, looking inspired, and showing discipline, which had been our calling card.

I hope, I am wrong. As a lot of people on this board are fond of saying these days.. cant wait till 2025
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(06-14-2020 02:57 PM)Jb 94 Wrote:  I apologize for the confusion. I typed incorrectly, meant to say punt. As for me, I was well aware, during the Orange Bowl, we were peaking. Unlike, others,, I never had grandiose disallusions, of moving up to the Big 12.

Our success, was totally taken for granted by many, and that has been silly, and frustrating.
Of course, our success, wayned, after the Orange Bowl...what did you expect. However, Coach Carey, did an amazing job to sustain our success, and brand. The proof lies in our championships, and brand recognition at the time of his departure.

Coaches from Novak through, coach Carey kept the legacy going. I have no problem with thomas Hammock, as the person. He is a huskie, who who was a great contributor to Northern 's team. He also has a ton of integrity, and seems to work hard.

Thus far, my issues, started, when he felt the need to overhaul, the system which had produced success for the past two decades. Also, did not feel, it was in our best interest to hire a coach from the nfl, with no previous head coaching experience. Also, was promised a juggernaut, which was equally as boring as a previous coachs...made a point to say, that would never happen.

The hires for assistant coaches did not jive, and that was evident, in blow out mac defeats, looking inspired, and showing discipline, which had been our calling card.

I hope, I am wrong. As a lot of people on this board are fond of saying these days.. cant wait till 2025

Thanks 94. A lot of times printed words are hard to discern meaning and emotion.

Agree with you 100%—-actually Carey’s best accomplishment was the ability to keep the program at a very competitive level. Even with the two year drop from eleven to five win years in the middle of his tenure, he was able to avoid the fate of the likes of Bowling Green and Kent State that went from MAC championships and appearances to two win seasons almost immediately. Carey was also able to rebound from “down years” to win another championship.

From the day that Novak took over this program we have been among the best, if not the best program of our type. It’s a pretty damn good accomplishment to be arguing that 5-7 overall or .500 in conference is terrible.

Thanks again for the clarification....the point formation did confuse me as I asked about it in a thread about a month ago.

Let’s get back to 9-10 wins seasons way before 25 or 26—-I think we can agree on that.
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(06-14-2020 06:20 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 02:57 PM)Jb 94 Wrote:  I apologize for the confusion. I typed incorrectly, meant to say punt. As for me, I was well aware, during the Orange Bowl, we were peaking. Unlike, others,, I never had grandiose disallusions, of moving up to the Big 12.

Our success, was totally taken for granted by many, and that has been silly, and frustrating.
Of course, our success, wayned, after the Orange Bowl...what did you expect. However, Coach Carey, did an amazing job to sustain our success, and brand. The proof lies in our championships, and brand recognition at the time of his departure.

Coaches from Novak through, coach Carey kept the legacy going. I have no problem with thomas Hammock, as the person. He is a huskie, who who was a great contributor to Northern 's team. He also has a ton of integrity, and seems to work hard.

Thus far, my issues, started, when he felt the need to overhaul, the system which had produced success for the past two decades. Also, did not feel, it was in our best interest to hire a coach from the nfl, with no previous head coaching experience. Also, was promised a juggernaut, which was equally as boring as a previous coachs...made a point to say, that would never happen.

The hires for assistant coaches did not jive, and that was evident, in blow out mac defeats, looking inspired, and showing discipline, which had been our calling card.

I hope, I am wrong. As a lot of people on this board are fond of saying these days.. cant wait till 2025

Thanks 94. A lot of times printed words are hard to discern meaning and emotion.

Agree with you 100%—-actually Carey’s best accomplishment was the ability to keep the program at a very competitive level. Even with the two year drop from eleven to five win years in the middle of his tenure, he was able to avoid the fate of the likes of Bowling Green and Kent State that went from MAC championships and appearances to two win seasons almost immediately. Carey was also able to rebound from “down years” to win another championship.

From the day that Novak took over this program we have been among the best, if not the best program of our type. It’s a pretty damn good accomplishment to be arguing that 5-7 overall or .500 in conference is terrible.

Thanks again for the clarification....the point formation did confuse me as I asked about it in a thread about a month ago.

Let’s get back to 9-10 wins seasons way before 25 or 26—-I think we can agree on that.


Yes, we can...sounds, like a plan
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Sounds like a bad matchmaking service. 03-lmfao
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(06-14-2020 06:42 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Sounds like a bad matchmaking service. 03-lmfao

New business model. Don’t get your hopes up. Lol
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(06-14-2020 06:20 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 02:57 PM)Jb 94 Wrote:  I apologize for the confusion. I typed incorrectly, meant to say punt. As for me, I was well aware, during the Orange Bowl, we were peaking. Unlike, others,, I never had grandiose disallusions, of moving up to the Big 12.

Our success, was totally taken for granted by many, and that has been silly, and frustrating.
Of course, our success, wayned, after the Orange Bowl...what did you expect. However, Coach Carey, did an amazing job to sustain our success, and brand. The proof lies in our championships, and brand recognition at the time of his departure.

Coaches from Novak through, coach Carey kept the legacy going. I have no problem with thomas Hammock, as the person. He is a huskie, who who was a great contributor to Northern 's team. He also has a ton of integrity, and seems to work hard.

Thus far, my issues, started, when he felt the need to overhaul, the system which had produced success for the past two decades. Also, did not feel, it was in our best interest to hire a coach from the nfl, with no previous head coaching experience. Also, was promised a juggernaut, which was equally as boring as a previous coachs...made a point to say, that would never happen.

The hires for assistant coaches did not jive, and that was evident, in blow out mac defeats, looking inspired, and showing discipline, which had been our calling card.

I hope, I am wrong. As a lot of people on this board are fond of saying these days.. cant wait till 2025

Thanks 94. A lot of times printed words are hard to discern meaning and emotion.

Agree with you 100%—-actually Carey’s best accomplishment was the ability to keep the program at a very competitive level. Even with the two year drop from eleven to five win years in the middle of his tenure, he was able to avoid the fate of the likes of Bowling Green and Kent State that went from MAC championships and appearances to two win seasons almost immediately. Carey was also able to rebound from “down years” to win another championship.

From the day that Novak took over this program we have been among the best, if not the best program of our type. It’s a pretty damn good accomplishment to be arguing that 5-7 overall or .500 in conference is terrible.

Thanks again for the clarification....the point formation did confuse me as I asked about it in a thread about a month ago.

Let’s get back to 9-10 wins seasons way before 25 or 26—-I think we can agree on that.

Just pointing out that over the course of Novak's first 3 season, his record was 3-24. Over the next 3 seasons, his record was 17-17. Making Novaks first 6 seasons 20-41 with 2 2nd place finishes in the division as his best.

Now look, I don't completely disagree with everything you said, but this idea that Novak turned the program around and made it the class of the MAC the day he took over (even though his first season was as an Independent), is hogwash. He didn't win his first division title until year 7 of his tenure and that was a tie 1st place with Toledo because they lost to Toledo on the last day of the season knocking them out of the MACC.

The same thing happened 2 years later except the loss to Toledo was in the 2nd to last game of the season. It wasn't until the following season, his 10th season at the helm, did Novak have a team that played in the MACC (lost to Akron).

His two seasons after that? 7-6 (5-3 MAC, 3rd place) and 2-10 (1-6, 6th place).

His overall record as head coach was 63-76 and he was 47-38 in the MAC (there's one season on his resumé that wasn't played in the MAC).

So yeah, Novak is credited with turning the program around (and he did) and he probably set it on a good course direction (for the most part), but to wax poetically about how, the moment he took over the program, the Huskies were a MAC power and dominated the division and conference is 100% not true. He won 0 MAC Championships in 11 seasons and only played in the MACC 1 time. In that time, he also played in 2 Bowl games going (1-1) beating Troy (34-21)in the Silicon Valley Bowl in 2004 and lost to TCU (37-7) in the Poinsettia Bowl in 2006.

Had Novak just taken over for Rod Carey this year, there is a healthy dose of Husky fans who'd want him run out of town right now. And just think how Husky fans would react to 6 seasons of no division titles?

Yet, how quickly we forget that his tenure was actually quite pedestrian and some how he's considered the gold standard of NIU Football coaches.

Again, I hate to put the guy down. I adore him. But let's have some perspective.
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Novak checks a lot of coach boxes that people envision in a college coach. For many, if they created a college football coach from scratch, it would be Novak.
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I hear your views, regarding, Coach Novack, and the most part I agree. I do not find it to be disparaging, by on means on Joe. My comments, were not intended to put coach novack, or any other of our coaches who proceeded him, to be put on a pedestal. Although, what they accomplished, collectively, and sustained for two decades, will not be repeated.

With, that said there is a huge difference, between, the beginning of Novack, and Hammock s tenures you left out. Hammock, started with a mac championship team, with the most returning seniors, and a brand. Novack, started literally, from ground zero. I think we all should stop this reasoning, to justify, what goes down on Hammocks watch.
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Big Red wrote: Just pointing out that over the course of Novak's first 3 season, his record was 3-24. Over the next 3 seasons, his record was 17-17. Making Novaks first 6 seasons 20-41 with 2 2nd place finishes in the division as his best.

Now look, I don't completely disagree with everything you said, but this idea that Novak turned the program around and made it the class of the MAC the day he took over (even though his first season was as an Independent), is hogwash. He didn't win his first division title until year 7 of his tenure and that was a tie 1st place with Toledo because they lost to Toledo on the last day of the season knocking them out of the MACC.

The same thing happened 2 years later except the loss to Toledo was in the 2nd to last game of the season. It wasn't until the following season, his 10th season at the helm, did Novak have a team that played in the MACC (lost to Akron).

His two seasons after that? 7-6 (5-3 MAC, 3rd place) and 2-10 (1-6, 6th place).

His overall record as head coach was 63-76 and he was 47-38 in the MAC (there's one season on his resumé that wasn't played in the MAC).

So yeah, Novak is credited with turning the program around (and he did) and he probably set it on a good course direction (for the most part), but to wax poetically about how, the moment he took over the program, the Huskies were a MAC power and dominated the division and conference is 100% not true. He won 0 MAC Championships in 11 seasons and only played in the MACC 1 time. In that time, he also played in 2 Bowl games going (1-1) beating Troy (34-21)in the Silicon Valley Bowl in 2004 and lost to TCU (37-7) in the Poinsettia Bowl in 2006.

Had Novak just taken over for Rod Carey this year, there is a healthy dose of Husky fans who'd want him run out of town right now. And just think how Husky fans would react to 6 seasons of no division titles?

Yet, how quickly we forget that his tenure was actually quite pedestrian and some how he's considered the gold standard of NIU Football coaches.

Again, I hate to put the guy down. I adore him. But let's have some perspective.
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Me: Agree with you 90%, but must add a missing element. The reason Joe Novak is revered by some fans (not necessarily self, but certainly respected) is that a) he stuck with the program at its lowest moment(s) without giving up, and b) he became sort of a grandfather to later success. As you noted, he showed NIU how to build a program "the hard way" and was as much a mentor as a coach to many. Jerry Kill and Dave Doeren had success because they had that foundation to work with, each adding his own touches. That's what Rod Carey inherited.

Jumping over the Carey years (and not wanting to start that debate all over again), the question here is what did Thomas Hammock inherit, and whether what Carey left behind would have sustained his style of play. Some -- including me -- were disappointed with his bowl record ... i.e., ... he could get Northern to one, but not win one. To me and I think a lot of other fans, that's the "next level." A bowl, no matter how small, is a piece of the national stage, whereas the MAC ccg is a MAC-only affair.
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(06-15-2020 08:12 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  Big Red wrote: Just pointing out that over the course of Novak's first 3 season, his record was 3-24. Over the next 3 seasons, his record was 17-17. Making Novaks first 6 seasons 20-41 with 2 2nd place finishes in the division as his best.

Now look, I don't completely disagree with everything you said, but this idea that Novak turned the program around and made it the class of the MAC the day he took over (even though his first season was as an Independent), is hogwash. He didn't win his first division title until year 7 of his tenure and that was a tie 1st place with Toledo because they lost to Toledo on the last day of the season knocking them out of the MACC.

The same thing happened 2 years later except the loss to Toledo was in the 2nd to last game of the season. It wasn't until the following season, his 10th season at the helm, did Novak have a team that played in the MACC (lost to Akron).

His two seasons after that? 7-6 (5-3 MAC, 3rd place) and 2-10 (1-6, 6th place).

His overall record as head coach was 63-76 and he was 47-38 in the MAC (there's one season on his resumé that wasn't played in the MAC).

So yeah, Novak is credited with turning the program around (and he did) and he probably set it on a good course direction (for the most part), but to wax poetically about how, the moment he took over the program, the Huskies were a MAC power and dominated the division and conference is 100% not true. He won 0 MAC Championships in 11 seasons and only played in the MACC 1 time. In that time, he also played in 2 Bowl games going (1-1) beating Troy (34-21)in the Silicon Valley Bowl in 2004 and lost to TCU (37-7) in the Poinsettia Bowl in 2006.

Had Novak just taken over for Rod Carey this year, there is a healthy dose of Husky fans who'd want him run out of town right now. And just think how Husky fans would react to 6 seasons of no division titles?

Yet, how quickly we forget that his tenure was actually quite pedestrian and some how he's considered the gold standard of NIU Football coaches.

Again, I hate to put the guy down. I adore him. But let's have some perspective.
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Me: Agree with you 90%, but must add a missing element. The reason Joe Novak is revered by some fans (not necessarily self, but certainly respected) is that a) he stuck with the program at its lowest moment(s) without giving up, and b) he became sort of a grandfather to later success. As you noted, he showed NIU how to build a program "the hard way" and was as much a mentor as a coach to many. Jerry Kill and Dave Doeren had success because they had that foundation to work with, each adding his own touches. That's what Rod Carey inherited.

Jumping over the Carey years (and not wanting to start that debate all over again), the question here is what did Thomas Hammock inherit, and whether what Carey left behind would have sustained his style of play. Some -- including me -- were disappointed with his bowl record ... i.e., ... he could get Northern to one, but not win one. To me and I think a lot of other fans, that's the "next level." A bowl, no matter how small, is a piece of the national stage, whereas the MAC ccg is a MAC-only affair.

Yes. And the point I was also trying to make is that Novak was allowed to build the program in his style. Granted, the style that preceded him was trash. But, from a fans perspective, there was literally zero evidence of any kind of major turnaround throughout the first 3 seasons.

So? Well, I'm not advocating for Hammock to be allowed 6 years to reshape the program and I'm not advocating for Hammock to be allowed 10 seasons to play in his first MACC.

But can we not wait more than a year or two? What Hammock inherited was not what Novak inherited. With that said, Hammock inherited a team that didn't have a FBS calibre starting quarterback. And that's a pretty big deal. And the issues with the roster went deeper than just that position.

There's also a better than not chance that the 2018 season goes a whole lot different if one guy (and maybe two guys) from that defense weren't on the team or played to the awesome level they played at.

Because the offense in 2018 was pedestrian. The defense is what won games for that team and it was driven by the two defensive ends who absolutely wreaked havoc on quarterbacks forcing all kinds of errors big and small.

There were other fine parts, but nothing like those two and if you take even one of those guys off the roster, there's a good chance the season plays out differently than the way it did.
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RE: Low expectations
Back to the original point of the article. I appreciate the guesstimation on where we will end up. But I expect the Huskies to fully surpass those expectations. We were pretty beat up last year, and we seem to be healthy with familiar faces back in the mix. We may have lost some key players, but that's something going on at our competition as well.

We are gonna win The Hard Way. And if it isn't this year or next, better believe we will find the right person to lead this organization.

Go Huskies!
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