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(06-14-2020 11:45 AM)MercerFan Wrote:  Trying to count it up, I think the ASun has had 23 teams since the year 2000 or so. If only 9 remain that’s 14 that have left. So they average a team leaving every 1.4 years over the last 20 years. It’s what we already knew, but just saying the ASun can’t afford to wait. They better find some new teams now because it’s a near certainty that another team leaves by 2023, and likely by 2022.

I predict the ASun adds 2 more D2 schools within the next 2 years. I don’t think they end up with Bethune, and I don’t think there’s any other existing D1 that will join.

I think UNA is the next to leave. I think Bellarmine behind them. Just pure speculation but that’s my guess. If Kennesaw was desired they would be gone already. Liberty rubs too many people the wrong way. If UNA isn’t plucked after their probation ends then that will speak volumes. In the same way I feel something is very wrong with Kennesaw. On paper Kennesaw should be in a different league.

The Summit is much in the lead over number of teams. It also had Troy, a Connecticut school, Butffalo, Centenary and Southern Utah.

W Illinois has been the most stable, which is actually a derisive comment.
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I just don't see ninety-five percent of these schools having the money to jump from Division II. Not in the near future. Schools are losing enrollment and states are cutting budgets.Universities are dropping some sports. Also we are in a recession. If you follow the money you will discover a lot of empty pockets.
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(06-14-2020 09:45 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(06-13-2020 07:16 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-13-2020 06:53 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(06-13-2020 01:59 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Nobody in their right might thinks Liberty will stay long in the ASUN; they are the definition of a short timer; the ASUN is not the destination conference for the Flames. You also have to think Lipscomb and North Alabama would be the OVC choice should they lose a school (say Tennessee State or Murray State). But these moves look to be down the road a bit, and 9 schools is enough.

Bethune-Cookman is thrown about, but is that really much of a fit besides the map? To me that looks like a "break glass" emergency choice, a sign of panic. But then again, NJIT was sort of that too. Frankly B-C is better off in the MEAC and playing a couple games against SWAC schools to fill the schedule (certainly FAMU rivalry will continue), so why would they want to switch?

I think you stand pat. But you do evaluate and work with D-II schools exploring D-I within your existing footprint of Florida, Georgia, Alabama, maybe the right school in Tennessee, Mississippi or South Carolina. What you are looking for is somebody who will help hoops and has a good attendance. Frankly nobody in D-II, in the South, is close to Bellarmine who average 1,769. The only one I found above 1,000 (barely) was Francis Marion, a rather small public liberal Arts school with 2,900 undergrads and a minuscule $25M endowment, hardly D-I material. There are some schools who on paper look large enough, but with low interest. West Georgia, North Georgia, West Florida, Florida Tech, Alabama-Huntsville, Valdosta State all look like better targets. But even these are just 6,000 to 8,000 students and don't get much Basketball support -- the sport the ASUN cares most about.

You have to be careful. Right now, none of the above looks best.

I think you

What do you think is the realistic reach conference for Liberty?
And which today's Cancel Culture running rampant is that even a realistic option? I'm surprised the school is still around given the Communist climate.

Liberty would need a major reshuffling of CUSA and the Sun Belt into 2 or 3 basically new conferences. That's unlikely, but that's what they'd need.

And Liberty is unpopular enough with administrators and faculty--that's why they never got a CUSA / Sun Belt invite in the first place.

But Liberty still qualifies as a flight risk because they don't really fit in the ASUN. Which means they'll leave at pretty much the first opportunity.

Liberty has passed the CUSA and SunBelt schools. The amount of money spent in the last few years would make them a better fit with the American. With their funds the independent route in football will continue to work if that is their plan.
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(06-14-2020 11:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  After Belleramine is done with their probationary period I wonder how long they will stay or if they will pull a UNK?

If Belleramine is a success, a Belleramine Belmont Combo to the SoCon would be very appealing for all parties.

I said this in the NJIT thread: I think it says more about the conference plucking Bellarmine upon eligibility than it does the school itself. These other conferences need to get over themselves and invest in the prospects outright rather than sending future members through a probationary league. ASun seems fine taking the load, but, really, no reason whoever would take Bellarmine in a few years can’t just do it now, especially if there’s space.

I don’t begrudge NKU for hopping right out upon maturity. Why did Horizon not just take them from the start, though?

There seems to be a stigma against taking Division II moveups directly, conferences seem to want someone else to handle the Division I transitions. I'm going to click through wikipedia to be sure, but I don't think that more than 2 or 3 conferences have taken Division 2 upgrades this century.
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(06-14-2020 04:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 11:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  After Belleramine is done with their probationary period I wonder how long they will stay or if they will pull a UNK?

If Belleramine is a success, a Belleramine Belmont Combo to the SoCon would be very appealing for all parties.

I said this in the NJIT thread: I think it says more about the conference plucking Bellarmine upon eligibility than it does the school itself. These other conferences need to get over themselves and invest in the prospects outright rather than sending future members through a probationary league. ASun seems fine taking the load, but, really, no reason whoever would take Bellarmine in a few years can’t just do it now, especially if there’s space.

I don’t begrudge NKU for hopping right out upon maturity. Why did Horizon not just take them from the start, though?

The Horizon has rules against having transitioning teams. Why the ASun allowed itself to be a minor league league may be the bigger question.


They were interested in Wayne State to move up from D2 like 15 years ago before Detroit Mercy was invited.
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RE: ASUN Expansion Targets to Replace NJIT
(06-14-2020 07:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 11:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  After Belleramine is done with their probationary period I wonder how long they will stay or if they will pull a UNK?

If Belleramine is a success, a Belleramine Belmont Combo to the SoCon would be very appealing for all parties.

I said this in the NJIT thread: I think it says more about the conference plucking Bellarmine upon eligibility than it does the school itself. These other conferences need to get over themselves and invest in the prospects outright rather than sending future members through a probationary league. ASun seems fine taking the load, but, really, no reason whoever would take Bellarmine in a few years can’t just do it now, especially if there’s space.

I don’t begrudge NKU for hopping right out upon maturity. Why did Horizon not just take them from the start, though?

There seems to be a stigma against taking Division II moveups directly, conferences seem to want someone else to handle the Division I transitions. I'm going to click through wikipedia to be sure, but I don't think that more than 2 or 3 conferences have taken Division 2 upgrades this century.

That comes to mind: ASUN, WAC, MEAC (didn’t last), NEC, Big West, Summit (awaiting determination), Big South (for football), Southland...not sure any others
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RE: ASUN Expansion Targets to Replace NJIT
(06-14-2020 07:10 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 11:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  After Belleramine is done with their probationary period I wonder how long they will stay or if they will pull a UNK?

If Belleramine is a success, a Belleramine Belmont Combo to the SoCon would be very appealing for all parties.

I said this in the NJIT thread: I think it says more about the conference plucking Bellarmine upon eligibility than it does the school itself. These other conferences need to get over themselves and invest in the prospects outright rather than sending future members through a probationary league. ASun seems fine taking the load, but, really, no reason whoever would take Bellarmine in a few years can’t just do it now, especially if there’s space.

I don’t begrudge NKU for hopping right out upon maturity. Why did Horizon not just take them from the start, though?

There seems to be a stigma against taking Division II moveups directly, conferences seem to want someone else to handle the Division I transitions. I'm going to click through wikipedia to be sure, but I don't think that more than 2 or 3 conferences have taken Division 2 upgrades this century.

That comes to mind: ASUN, WAC, MEAC (didn’t last), NEC, Big West, Summit (awaiting determination), Big South (for football), Southland...not sure any others

one in the MEAC did last, NC Central.

UMass Lowell went directly into America East, so did Presbyterian into Big South.
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RE: ASUN Expansion Targets to Replace NJIT
(06-14-2020 08:00 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:10 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 11:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  After Belleramine is done with their probationary period I wonder how long they will stay or if they will pull a UNK?

If Belleramine is a success, a Belleramine Belmont Combo to the SoCon would be very appealing for all parties.

I said this in the NJIT thread: I think it says more about the conference plucking Bellarmine upon eligibility than it does the school itself. These other conferences need to get over themselves and invest in the prospects outright rather than sending future members through a probationary league. ASun seems fine taking the load, but, really, no reason whoever would take Bellarmine in a few years can’t just do it now, especially if there’s space.

I don’t begrudge NKU for hopping right out upon maturity. Why did Horizon not just take them from the start, though?

There seems to be a stigma against taking Division II moveups directly, conferences seem to want someone else to handle the Division I transitions. I'm going to click through wikipedia to be sure, but I don't think that more than 2 or 3 conferences have taken Division 2 upgrades this century.

That comes to mind: ASUN, WAC, MEAC (didn’t last), NEC, Big West, Summit (awaiting determination), Big South (for football), Southland...not sure any others

one in the MEAC did last, NC Central.

UMass Lowell went directly into America East, so did Presbyterian into Big South.

It seems like we’ve seen an uptick on conferences going in on transitionals because they eventually get these schools they wanted. And I wonder if it’s that the conferences don’t play the games with the schools, or the schools leverage the need with the specific location. Like, was Merrimack ever told “sure, we’ll sponsor you once you are off the probationary perio...oh, you hung up.” That some of these schools for darn sure said no to stints in WAC or ASun. It sounded like UCSD got straight to that point with Big West.
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RE: ASUN Expansion Targets to Replace NJIT
(06-14-2020 08:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:00 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:10 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 11:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I said this in the NJIT thread: I think it says more about the conference plucking Bellarmine upon eligibility than it does the school itself. These other conferences need to get over themselves and invest in the prospects outright rather than sending future members through a probationary league. ASun seems fine taking the load, but, really, no reason whoever would take Bellarmine in a few years can’t just do it now, especially if there’s space.

I don’t begrudge NKU for hopping right out upon maturity. Why did Horizon not just take them from the start, though?

There seems to be a stigma against taking Division II moveups directly, conferences seem to want someone else to handle the Division I transitions. I'm going to click through wikipedia to be sure, but I don't think that more than 2 or 3 conferences have taken Division 2 upgrades this century.

That comes to mind: ASUN, WAC, MEAC (didn’t last), NEC, Big West, Summit (awaiting determination), Big South (for football), Southland...not sure any others

one in the MEAC did last, NC Central.

UMass Lowell went directly into America East, so did Presbyterian into Big South.

It seems like we’ve seen an uptick on conferences going in on transitionals because they eventually get these schools they wanted. And I wonder if it’s that the conferences don’t play the games with the schools, or the schools leverage the need with the specific location. Like, was Merrimack ever told “sure, we’ll sponsor you once you are off the probationary perio...oh, you hung up.” That some of these schools for darn sure said no to stints in WAC or ASun. It sounded like UCSD got straight to that point with Big West.


Yeah, it's a much longer list than I thought. Not just the WAC and the ASUN, and not just a handful lately (UCSD to Big West, St Thomas to Summit). Big West took in UC Riverside in 2001, Presbyterian to Big South 2007, Winston-Salem State to MEAC 2007, Bryant and Merrimack to NEC, Incarnate Word and Abilene Christian to Southland, UMAss-Lowell to America East. That's 9 out of 31 conferences, if I counted right.
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Any school in VA, NC, or SC that the ASUN brings in is going to dart for the Big South the first change they get.

The ASUN needs to focus on bringing in the kind of schools who look around at the ASUN membership and geographic footprint and say “those are the the kinds of schools we want to be with and stick with.”

Georgia and Alabama both have some decent sized state schools that fit the bill. You’ve got W Florida out there too. These are the schools that they need to be selling on a vision—a DI Bus conference centered on those 3 states.
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(06-14-2020 08:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Any school in VA, NC, or SC that the ASUN brings in is going to dart for the Big South the first change they get.

The ASUN needs to focus on bringing in the kind of schools who look around at the ASUN membership and geographic footprint and say “those are the the kinds of schools we want to be with and stick with.”

Georgia and Alabama both have some decent sized state schools that fit the bill. You’ve got W Florida out there too. These are the schools that they need to be selling on a vision—a DI Bus conference centered on those 3 states.

100% agree. Bethune-Cookman will work though. North Georgia and Augusta should be the top targets. The Florida private schools like Nova and FL Tech aren’t going to happen however.
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RE: ASUN Expansion Targets to Replace NJIT
(06-14-2020 08:00 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:10 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 11:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  After Belleramine is done with their probationary period I wonder how long they will stay or if they will pull a UNK?

If Belleramine is a success, a Belleramine Belmont Combo to the SoCon would be very appealing for all parties.

I said this in the NJIT thread: I think it says more about the conference plucking Bellarmine upon eligibility than it does the school itself. These other conferences need to get over themselves and invest in the prospects outright rather than sending future members through a probationary league. ASun seems fine taking the load, but, really, no reason whoever would take Bellarmine in a few years can’t just do it now, especially if there’s space.

I don’t begrudge NKU for hopping right out upon maturity. Why did Horizon not just take them from the start, though?

There seems to be a stigma against taking Division II moveups directly, conferences seem to want someone else to handle the Division I transitions. I'm going to click through wikipedia to be sure, but I don't think that more than 2 or 3 conferences have taken Division 2 upgrades this century.

That comes to mind: ASUN, WAC, MEAC (didn’t last), NEC, Big West, Summit (awaiting determination), Big South (for football), Southland...not sure any others

one in the MEAC did last, NC Central.

UMass Lowell went directly into America East, so did Presbyterian into Big South.

Both Merrimack and Lowell were members of Hockey East before going all DI. Hockey East has higher standards and it's more esteemed than America East because it has FBS schools.

St Thomas already is more positively viewed as a DIII than a DI.
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RE: ASUN Expansion Targets to Replace NJIT
(06-14-2020 08:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:00 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:10 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 11:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I said this in the NJIT thread: I think it says more about the conference plucking Bellarmine upon eligibility than it does the school itself. These other conferences need to get over themselves and invest in the prospects outright rather than sending future members through a probationary league. ASun seems fine taking the load, but, really, no reason whoever would take Bellarmine in a few years can’t just do it now, especially if there’s space.

I don’t begrudge NKU for hopping right out upon maturity. Why did Horizon not just take them from the start, though?

There seems to be a stigma against taking Division II moveups directly, conferences seem to want someone else to handle the Division I transitions. I'm going to click through wikipedia to be sure, but I don't think that more than 2 or 3 conferences have taken Division 2 upgrades this century.

That comes to mind: ASUN, WAC, MEAC (didn’t last), NEC, Big West, Summit (awaiting determination), Big South (for football), Southland...not sure any others

one in the MEAC did last, NC Central.

UMass Lowell went directly into America East, so did Presbyterian into Big South.

It seems like we’ve seen an uptick on conferences going in on transitionals because they eventually get these schools they wanted. And I wonder if it’s that the conferences don’t play the games with the schools, or the schools leverage the need with the specific location. Like, was Merrimack ever told “sure, we’ll sponsor you once you are off the probationary perio...oh, you hung up.” That some of these schools for darn sure said no to stints in WAC or ASun. It sounded like UCSD got straight to that point with Big West.

AAU schools like UCSD have different rules for them as they are so in demand.
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(06-14-2020 08:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:00 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:10 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  There seems to be a stigma against taking Division II moveups directly, conferences seem to want someone else to handle the Division I transitions. I'm going to click through wikipedia to be sure, but I don't think that more than 2 or 3 conferences have taken Division 2 upgrades this century.

That comes to mind: ASUN, WAC, MEAC (didn’t last), NEC, Big West, Summit (awaiting determination), Big South (for football), Southland...not sure any others

one in the MEAC did last, NC Central.

UMass Lowell went directly into America East, so did Presbyterian into Big South.

It seems like we’ve seen an uptick on conferences going in on transitionals because they eventually get these schools they wanted. And I wonder if it’s that the conferences don’t play the games with the schools, or the schools leverage the need with the specific location. Like, was Merrimack ever told “sure, we’ll sponsor you once you are off the probationary perio...oh, you hung up.” That some of these schools for darn sure said no to stints in WAC or ASun. It sounded like UCSD got straight to that point with Big West.


Yeah, it's a much longer list than I thought. Not just the WAC and the ASUN, and not just a handful lately (UCSD to Big West, St Thomas to Summit). Big West took in UC Riverside in 2001, Presbyterian to Big South 2007, Winston-Salem State to MEAC 2007, Bryant and Merrimack to NEC, Incarnate Word and Abilene Christian to Southland, UMAss-Lowell to America East. That's 9 out of 31 conferences, if I counted right.

But I don’t disagree that there is a stigma. Less than one-third of all conferences doing that is still not terribly many. Granted, some conferences haven’t been posed this issue or question. Like, who knows what might have happened to some of these schools and conferences if there wasn’t a Great West, and now Big Sky and Summit have some questions. Some SWAC schools were/are not in good shape, but kept going just enough that once they needed growth, could be choosy, and now MEAC’s a bleeder.
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RE: ASUN Expansion Targets to Replace NJIT
(06-14-2020 08:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:00 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:10 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 07:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  There seems to be a stigma against taking Division II moveups directly, conferences seem to want someone else to handle the Division I transitions. I'm going to click through wikipedia to be sure, but I don't think that more than 2 or 3 conferences have taken Division 2 upgrades this century.

That comes to mind: ASUN, WAC, MEAC (didn’t last), NEC, Big West, Summit (awaiting determination), Big South (for football), Southland...not sure any others

one in the MEAC did last, NC Central.

UMass Lowell went directly into America East, so did Presbyterian into Big South.

It seems like we’ve seen an uptick on conferences going in on transitionals because they eventually get these schools they wanted. And I wonder if it’s that the conferences don’t play the games with the schools, or the schools leverage the need with the specific location. Like, was Merrimack ever told “sure, we’ll sponsor you once you are off the probationary perio...oh, you hung up.” That some of these schools for darn sure said no to stints in WAC or ASun. It sounded like UCSD got straight to that point with Big West.


Yeah, it's a much longer list than I thought. Not just the WAC and the ASUN, and not just a handful lately (UCSD to Big West, St Thomas to Summit). Big West took in UC Riverside in 2001, Presbyterian to Big South 2007, Winston-Salem State to MEAC 2007, Bryant and Merrimack to NEC, Incarnate Word and Abilene Christian to Southland, UMAss-Lowell to America East. That's 9 out of 31 conferences, if I counted right.

UC Riverside was added to replace Boise State, who left in 2001. I don't know about the others you listed, whether or not they were immediate replacements.
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Big South
Big West
Big Sky
ASun
Summit
WAC
SLC
MEAC
AEC
NEC
OVC

have all taken D-II and the 2 NAIA(Lipscomb, HBU) move ups since 2000. 35 total teams were taken, 4 more CSUB, NJIT, UVU and Seattle were Indy for a bit. New Haven and St. Thomas, likely the next 2.
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I forgot about SIUE...
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(06-14-2020 10:29 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Big South
Big West
Big Sky
ASun
Summit
WAC
SLC
MEAC
AEC
NEC
OVC

have all taken D-II and the 2 NAIA(Lipscomb, HBU) move ups since 2000. 35 total teams were taken, 4 more CSUB, NJIT, UVU and Seattle were Indy for a bit. New Haven and St. Thomas, likely the next 2.

Lindenwood and Southern Indiana are also mentioned they are bolting D2 for D1. Them and Bellarmine do fit Horizon as well.
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RE: ASUN Expansion Targets to Replace NJIT
(06-14-2020 07:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 04:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 11:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 08:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  After Belleramine is done with their probationary period I wonder how long they will stay or if they will pull a UNK?

If Belleramine is a success, a Belleramine Belmont Combo to the SoCon would be very appealing for all parties.

I said this in the NJIT thread: I think it says more about the conference plucking Bellarmine upon eligibility than it does the school itself. These other conferences need to get over themselves and invest in the prospects outright rather than sending future members through a probationary league. ASun seems fine taking the load, but, really, no reason whoever would take Bellarmine in a few years can’t just do it now, especially if there’s space.

I don’t begrudge NKU for hopping right out upon maturity. Why did Horizon not just take them from the start, though?

The Horizon has rules against having transitioning teams. Why the ASun allowed itself to be a minor league league may be the bigger question.


They were interested in Wayne State to move up from D2 like 15 years ago before Detroit Mercy was invited.

You do realize that Detroit joined the Horizon (Then called the MCC) in 1980. The League was founded it 1979. Not getting simple facts right is one of the many reasons people don’t believe your post about every D2 school moving up to D1.
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RE: ASUN Expansion Targets to Replace NJIT
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(06-14-2020 11:45 AM)MercerFan Wrote:  Trying to count it up, I think the ASun has had 23 teams since the year 2000 or so. If only 9 remain that’s 14 that have left. So they average a team leaving every 1.4 years over the last 20 years. It’s what we already knew, but just saying the ASun can’t afford to wait. They better find some new teams now because it’s a near certainty that another team leaves by 2023, and likely by 2022.

I predict the ASun adds 2 more D2 schools within the next 2 years. I don’t think they end up with Bethune, and I don’t think there’s any other existing D1 that will join.

I think UNA is the next to leave. I think Bellarmine behind them. Just pure speculation but that’s my guess. If Kennesaw was desired they would be gone already. Liberty rubs too many people the wrong way. If UNA isn’t plucked after their probation ends then that will speak volumes. In the same way I feel something is very wrong with Kennesaw. On paper Kennesaw should be in a different league.

The Summit is much in the lead over number of teams. It also had Troy, a Connecticut school, Butffalo, Centenary and Southern Utah.

W Illinois has been the most stable, which is actually a derisive comment.

It’s amazing how many teams the Summit has lost over the years. But give the Summit it’s due, they done a good job of developing a geographic core with the Dakotas, Omaha, UMKC, WIU and the pending add of St Thomas. This is what the ASUN needs to try to accomplish. Otherwise they will always be a stepping stone conference
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