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RE: Athon Sun Belt Projections
(06-16-2020 12:34 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  
(06-16-2020 11:34 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  We've had 5-loss seasons for the past 5 years. Granted, two of those were bowl losses, but with our schedule this year, 7-5 is a pretty safe bet. Many of our fans are even predicting 6-6.

And many would like to see a change in leadership if 7 wins is all they muster again. But I don't see that happening. Especially in a year where the head coach is coming back from losing his wife to cancer last year and all programs being hamstrung but this Covid mess.

He got an extension. Remember?
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(06-16-2020 12:26 PM)Goronic Wrote:  
(06-16-2020 12:09 PM)Goronic Wrote:  Another interesting piece of college football trivia.

After we beat #5 Michigan as an FCS program AP voters were not allowed to give App State a rank. So they changed the rules immediately and allowed voters to vote for either FBS or FCS teams. This change was referred to as the App-clause.

The second week App State was the first FCS school in history to receive votes for the AP Top 25 (though we didn't get enough to crack the Top 25).

We were back to back national FCS champions at that time (and would later go on to win the 3rd FCS national title in a row, and that was also the first time an FCS program beat a ranked FBS program). Though we were ranked #1 in the FCS Top 25...

Another crazy, though getting scary common, note is that even though we won the FCS title we did have 2 loses. One of those loses was to - you guessed it - Georgia Southern. (You can't make this stuff up)

It really was a hell of a game - so give it a watch if you like. App State also had DJ Smith at linebacker that would later be drafted in the NFL and play for the Green Bay Packers (he is currently linebackers coach at App State)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojqI2r-Eb5c&t=2h40m

DJ Smith moved on to Missouri with Drink.
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(06-16-2020 06:21 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(06-16-2020 12:34 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  
(06-16-2020 11:34 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  We've had 5-loss seasons for the past 5 years. Granted, two of those were bowl losses, but with our schedule this year, 7-5 is a pretty safe bet. Many of our fans are even predicting 6-6.

And many would like to see a change in leadership if 7 wins is all they muster again. But I don't see that happening. Especially in a year where the head coach is coming back from losing his wife to cancer last year and all programs being hamstrung but this Covid mess.

He got an extension. Remember?

I'd like to say that in the real world extensions mean nothing. But in the world of stAte's coaching hires it means everything. So, yes, you are correct. But it doesn't change much about the opinions of a lot of fans.
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(06-11-2020 04:22 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  6-6 would be a second straight year of regression for Lunsford. I think a lot of fans would start to turn on him after that. Some have already turned on his staff. He needs 7-8 wins to not go into 2021 on the hot seat.

8 wins min and better not be completely embarrassed by a Liberty type team in a bowl game for me. This year is make or break for Lunsford for me. I am still behind him with the Ruse hire as of now. If we struggle and he does not make changes quick at OC or DC he is not fit to be an FBS HC. I just think if it goes bad he is more likely to ride it into the ground and not willing to fire anyone. His narrative of "this is a turnaround" was a reach. It was only a year and half removed from Fritz and Summers did OK in recruiting and did not tank. This was not a BVG deal where the whole program was blown up from top down. I am seeing 7 wins at best where we would be favored based off last year. We either have to upset someone to get eight and not have any upsets. He even said 7 wins is not good enough to remain HC, so I am not holding him to a standard he knows is not acceptable at GS. It should not be acceptable going into any season not having real aspirations of winning the conference but that is where he has us.

As far as the predictions I think they are dead on except I would not count App out until we see what this new staff is capable of. I dont think UL blows App out even if they do win the CCG.
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(06-24-2020 08:19 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(06-11-2020 04:22 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  6-6 would be a second straight year of regression for Lunsford. I think a lot of fans would start to turn on him after that. Some have already turned on his staff. He needs 7-8 wins to not go into 2021 on the hot seat.

8 wins min and better not be completely embarrassed by a Liberty type team in a bowl game for me. This year is make or break for Lunsford for me. I am still behind him with the Ruse hire as of now. If we struggle and he does not make changes quick at OC or DC he is not fit to be an FBS HC. I just think if it goes bad he is more likely to ride it into the ground and not willing to fire anyone. His narrative of "this is a turnaround" was a reach. It was only a year and half removed from Fritz and Summers did OK in recruiting and did not tank. This was not a BVG deal where the whole program was blown up from top down. I am seeing 7 wins at best where we would be favored based off last year. We either have to upset someone to get eight and not have any upsets. He even said 7 wins is not good enough to remain HC, so I am not holding him to a standard he knows is not acceptable at GS. It should not be acceptable going into any season not having real aspirations of winning the conference but that is where he has us.

As far as the predictions I think they are dead on except I would not count App out until we see what this new staff is capable of. I dont think UL blows App out even if they do win the CCG.

There's no reason to make a change at DC. That unit overall has made improvements year to year. The issues on defense are easy to point out and do not require improvement across the board on that side of the ball like it does on offense. Our big issues last year were defending deep middle due to lack of experience at safety and not handling tempo offenses that well. We're obviously going to see issues in the secondary this year due to turnover from Vildor and Brinson but hopefully we'll see improvements from the front 7 to take that pressure off of them. If we get better at handling tempo as well then the defense is going to be exactly what we expect of it.

Also, in pretty much all of our losses last year (minus LSU) the defense had us within one score late in the game and the offense let us down. Not to mention the defense gets zero help at the beginning of games from the offense since we apparently have an aversion to scoring early (two straight years of zero scores on the first drive of games.....that's 26 games).

The defense has done a great job.

However we have numerous issues on offense that have yet to really improve, and yes I would expect to see some changes on the offense, even at OC, if we see a lot more of the same this year as obviously it's not working.

And yes, it was a turnaround. Summers recruited some stars, but recruited really poorly to our needs. He also ran off or misused talented guys that were on the roster. Not to mention the two years of development that was basically tanked due to the poor work done by the staff Summers had...as well as pretty much a whole year of wasted S&C from a guy that had no business being hired in the first place. Summers beyond tanked. At least BVG only screwed up one recruiting class and actually had a somewhat functional staff who had a cohesive plan even if it wasn't exactly suited for us.....and he got out of town as quick as possible.

I know all you care about is recruit rankings and all that, and you're going to reply back with "Lunsford sucks at recruiting cause of our ranking in each year's class" and all these cliches that you always respond with. You always disregard the work of the coaching staff and instead give way more lattitude to recruit rankings.....and 2016 proved the fallacy of recruit rankings above all. With a competent coaching staff the roster in 2016 had the potential to go undefeated and instead was driven straight into the ground.

We definitely have a lot of improvements that need to happen on offense. If this year is more of the same then I expect major changes, cause it's not working. There are some specific areas of defense we need to focus on this year while maintaining the areas we were good at last year. Defense is on the edge of being really really good overall.
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RE: Athon Sun Belt Projections
(06-24-2020 08:19 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(06-11-2020 04:22 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  6-6 would be a second straight year of regression for Lunsford. I think a lot of fans would start to turn on him after that. Some have already turned on his staff. He needs 7-8 wins to not go into 2021 on the hot seat.

8 wins min and better not be completely embarrassed by a Liberty type team in a bowl game for me. This year is make or break for Lunsford for me. I am still behind him with the Ruse hire as of now. If we struggle and he does not make changes quick at OC or DC he is not fit to be an FBS HC. I just think if it goes bad he is more likely to ride it into the ground and not willing to fire anyone. His narrative of "this is a turnaround" was a reach. It was only a year and half removed from Fritz and Summers did OK in recruiting and did not tank. This was not a BVG deal where the whole program was blown up from top down. I am seeing 7 wins at best where we would be favored based off last year. We either have to upset someone to get eight and not have any upsets. He even said 7 wins is not good enough to remain HC, so I am not holding him to a standard he knows is not acceptable at GS. It should not be acceptable going into any season not having real aspirations of winning the conference but that is where he has us.

As far as the predictions I think they are dead on except I would not count App out until we see what this new staff is capable of. I dont think UL blows App out even if they do win the CCG.

I'm cautiously optimistic with Ruse coming back. It wasn't that long ago that we hired Bryan Cook who was supposed to come in and save us and get our offense up and running again (pun intended), and then we had our worst offensive year in the history of our program. I don't think Ruse and DeBesse would let that happen, but we need remember that white knight coaching hires won't automatically fix our problems.

Aside from that, I think our problems last season were from a combination of injuries, bad coaching decisions, and a really difficult schedule. I think we should see improvements in all categories this season. If we can keep our guys healthy, we should have a much improved OL this year. Our defensive kryptonite is the deep pass. As long as we can improve on that, we should have one of the best defensive units in the conference this season.
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(06-16-2020 06:21 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(06-16-2020 12:34 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  
(06-16-2020 11:34 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  We've had 5-loss seasons for the past 5 years. Granted, two of those were bowl losses, but with our schedule this year, 7-5 is a pretty safe bet. Many of our fans are even predicting 6-6.

And many would like to see a change in leadership if 7 wins is all they muster again. But I don't see that happening. Especially in a year where the head coach is coming back from losing his wife to cancer last year and all programs being hamstrung but this Covid mess.

He got an extension. Remember?


Recruiting has also picked up. Bunches of three stars from all over the south and in Arkansas. Best I can recall this early in the process.
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(06-27-2020 06:44 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(06-16-2020 06:21 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(06-16-2020 12:34 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  
(06-16-2020 11:34 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  We've had 5-loss seasons for the past 5 years. Granted, two of those were bowl losses, but with our schedule this year, 7-5 is a pretty safe bet. Many of our fans are even predicting 6-6.

And many would like to see a change in leadership if 7 wins is all they muster again. But I don't see that happening. Especially in a year where the head coach is coming back from losing his wife to cancer last year and all programs being hamstrung but this Covid mess.

He got an extension. Remember?


Recruiting has also picked up. Bunches of three stars from all over the south and in Arkansas. Best I can recall this early in the process.

While I appreciate good recruiting, you also need development through good coaching.
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(06-13-2020 12:01 PM)DeanoAPP Wrote:  I know we have a new coach and we are a bit spoiled with success the last few years but less than 10 wins would probably have our fans a little disappointed.

A 9 win season particularly after last years curtain call with a second in a row new staff = pitch forks at the great App state. Total fail! Yur sophomores from the great Sat days should be enough.
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(06-11-2020 03:00 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Projected to not finish last, but still don’t make it to bowl eligible. If this is how the year goes, we will have our programs third head coach in 2021.

no way. four wins will be his best year and proof he is improving. next year five wins and the year after that six wins and bowl eligible. you have to give him time to reap the benefits of the new facilities. you guys are only five to six years away from winning your division with him. stay the course
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(06-28-2020 10:17 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(06-11-2020 03:00 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Projected to not finish last, but still don’t make it to bowl eligible. If this is how the year goes, we will have our programs third head coach in 2021.

no way. four wins will be his best year and proof he is improving. next year five wins and the year after that six wins and bowl eligible. you have to give him time to reap the benefits of the new facilities. you guys are only five to six years away from winning your division with him. stay the course

So in 2029 we will be 13-0 and headed to the Access Bowl?
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(06-28-2020 10:17 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  no way. four wins will be his best year and proof he is improving. next year five wins and the year after that six wins and bowl eligible. you have to give him time to reap the benefits of the new facilities. you guys are only five to six years away from winning your division with him. stay the course

It's a trap!
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(06-11-2020 03:00 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Projected to not finish last, but still don’t make it to bowl eligible. If this is how the year goes, we will have our programs third head coach in 2021.

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