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(06-10-2020 12:40 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I was on a website that that info for ports all around the world. I know there are plenty of river ports and in some cases they have a long route to a seaport. Pittsburgh and Knoxville come to mind. I don't know if what is shipped at those ports are loaded in containers for ease of conveyance to a ocean-going ship or if the barge is loaded for quick unloading for another river port to be used at the river or futher conveyed by rail or truck. I am sure some of all gets involved and some of those river ports are all but dead due to lose of industry over the last few decades.

So at New Iberia that river has had a lot of dredging to make for the barge parking area at the port area. Some effort and cost has been made to get this port to be usable it would seem. And the location to the ocean is not that far and there are no connections to the Mississippi River to move the barge upstream. One could use the Intercoastal Waterway to move towards New Orleans of maybe towards the Houston, TX area.

I guess I was just surprised that the distance to the open ocean is no that far away and there is not much places to send a barge to for all the effort of maing the port work- it would seem. What gets shipped to/from there and any idea of origin/destination.

They have a website so there is enough business for that. It seems to be more active at this port than I may have first realized.

You can get to the Intercoastal, Atchafalaya which will get you into other Rivers like the Mississippi, Missouri, Red, Ohio. I work in road construction and I know majority of stone, cement and other road way materials comes through that port when receiving materials from quarries all over the US. I’m sure they have other things like steel that come through but I’m not completely sure.

I watch a doc on the Atchafalaya a few years back that argued, due to dragging and other shipping related changes, it was quickly becoming the primary ocean bound channel for the Mississippi basin, and that at some point the waters moving though New Orleans would not disappear but would diminish in importance and water flow.

I have heard that before as well. Never underestimate the desire to move earth to fight nature when economics are involved. One need to only look at the efforts put into the Outer Banks on the North Carolina coast.

I could be wrong but I believe the arguement was the natural flow of water was to shift gradually towards the Atchafalaya - the natural flow of water being to get to the ocean by the shortest possible route, which the Atchafalaya is - and it is economic concerns leading engineering efforts to keep the flow toward New Orleans.

That is what I was getting at as well or at least trying to state that.
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(06-11-2020 10:15 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  
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(06-10-2020 12:40 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I was on a website that that info for ports all around the world. I know there are plenty of river ports and in some cases they have a long route to a seaport. Pittsburgh and Knoxville come to mind. I don't know if what is shipped at those ports are loaded in containers for ease of conveyance to a ocean-going ship or if the barge is loaded for quick unloading for another river port to be used at the river or futher conveyed by rail or truck. I am sure some of all gets involved and some of those river ports are all but dead due to lose of industry over the last few decades.

So at New Iberia that river has had a lot of dredging to make for the barge parking area at the port area. Some effort and cost has been made to get this port to be usable it would seem. And the location to the ocean is not that far and there are no connections to the Mississippi River to move the barge upstream. One could use the Intercoastal Waterway to move towards New Orleans of maybe towards the Houston, TX area.

I guess I was just surprised that the distance to the open ocean is no that far away and there is not much places to send a barge to for all the effort of maing the port work- it would seem. What gets shipped to/from there and any idea of origin/destination.

They have a website so there is enough business for that. It seems to be more active at this port than I may have first realized.

You can get to the Intercoastal, Atchafalaya which will get you into other Rivers like the Mississippi, Missouri, Red, Ohio. I work in road construction and I know majority of stone, cement and other road way materials comes through that port when receiving materials from quarries all over the US. I’m sure they have other things like steel that come through but I’m not completely sure.

I watch a doc on the Atchafalaya a few years back that argued, due to dragging and other shipping related changes, it was quickly becoming the primary ocean bound channel for the Mississippi basin, and that at some point the waters moving though New Orleans would not disappear but would diminish in importance and water flow.

I have heard that before as well. Never underestimate the desire to move earth to fight nature when economics are involved. One need to only look at the efforts put into the Outer Banks on the North Carolina coast.

I could be wrong but I believe the arguement was the natural flow of water was to shift gradually towards the Atchafalaya - the natural flow of water being to get to the ocean by the shortest possible route, which the Atchafalaya is - and it is economic concerns leading engineering efforts to keep the flow toward New Orleans.

The Atchafalaya offers a shorter and steeper trip to the GOM. The ONLY thing holding it back is massive water diversion works at Old River. The Control Structure almost let go in the 1974 flood and I would imagine that the odds are pretty good that it will happen within the next 2 decades. NOLA and Baton Rouge will be well and truly F-ed.
Incredible engineering at the Old River Control Structure and the Morganza Spillway.
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(06-10-2020 12:53 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  You can get to the Intercoastal, Atchafalaya which will get you into other Rivers like the Mississippi, Missouri, Red, Ohio. I work in road construction and I know majority of stone, cement and other road way materials comes through that port when receiving materials from quarries all over the US. I’m sure they have other things like steel that come through but I’m not completely sure.

I watch a doc on the Atchafalaya a few years back that argued, due to dragging and other shipping related changes, it was quickly becoming the primary ocean bound channel for the Mississippi basin, and that at some point the waters moving though New Orleans would not disappear but would diminish in importance and water flow.

I have heard that before as well. Never underestimate the desire to move earth to fight nature when economics are involved. One need to only look at the efforts put into the Outer Banks on the North Carolina coast.

I could be wrong but I believe the arguement was the natural flow of water was to shift gradually towards the Atchafalaya - the natural flow of water being to get to the ocean by the shortest possible route, which the Atchafalaya is - and it is economic concerns leading engineering efforts to keep the flow toward New Orleans.

The Atchafalaya offers a shorter and steeper trip to the GOM. The ONLY thing holding it back is massive water diversion works at Old River. The Control Structure almost let go in the 1974 flood and I would imagine that the odds are pretty good that it will happen within the next 2 decades. NOLA and Baton Rouge will be well and truly F-ed.
Incredible engineering at the Old River Control Structure and the Morganza Spillway.

I woke up yesterday and my first thought was about all of this. Usually my first thought is wondering if I can make it to the bathroom without an accident at my age. The fact that the current Mississippi is so winding, which makes for a longer trip, has to have a smaller slope and therefore slower speeds, when compared to the diverted channel used with flooding since the change in elevation is the same from the split at the Atchafalaya diversion down to sea level at the Gulf. That slower speed for the current Mississippi has less kinetic energy and carrying load of silt and such. That silt is more likely to get deposited at the bottom of the river. Physics for the win.
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(06-12-2020 04:49 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  
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(06-10-2020 12:53 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  You can get to the Intercoastal, Atchafalaya which will get you into other Rivers like the Mississippi, Missouri, Red, Ohio. I work in road construction and I know majority of stone, cement and other road way materials comes through that port when receiving materials from quarries all over the US. I’m sure they have other things like steel that come through but I’m not completely sure.

I watch a doc on the Atchafalaya a few years back that argued, due to dragging and other shipping related changes, it was quickly becoming the primary ocean bound channel for the Mississippi basin, and that at some point the waters moving though New Orleans would not disappear but would diminish in importance and water flow.

I have heard that before as well. Never underestimate the desire to move earth to fight nature when economics are involved. One need to only look at the efforts put into the Outer Banks on the North Carolina coast.

I could be wrong but I believe the arguement was the natural flow of water was to shift gradually towards the Atchafalaya - the natural flow of water being to get to the ocean by the shortest possible route, which the Atchafalaya is - and it is economic concerns leading engineering efforts to keep the flow toward New Orleans.

The Atchafalaya offers a shorter and steeper trip to the GOM. The ONLY thing holding it back is massive water diversion works at Old River. The Control Structure almost let go in the 1974 flood and I would imagine that the odds are pretty good that it will happen within the next 2 decades. NOLA and Baton Rouge will be well and truly F-ed.
Incredible engineering at the Old River Control Structure and the Morganza Spillway.

Yeah and I’ve always heard if/when that happens say goodbye to Morgan City for sure but what other towns areas are in danger?
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If the Army COE is forced to open the Morganza Spillway and ORC Structure again there is a very good chance that the main channel of the Miss River will flow through the Atchafalaya. The COE was forced to open the Morganza spillway in 2011. During its short time that it was opened the Miss River below the control structure gained an estimated 12’ or River bottom greatly reducing the carrying capacity downstream of that structure.

Was the 12 inches of river bottom increase due to water and silt still going down the Mississippi channel but not at speeds and with enough energy to make it to the Gulf?
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12 feet of additional river bottom. Yes to your question though. It slowed the rate of the river down to where heavier sediments were no longer carried downstream.
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I thought I saw two marks for inches instead of one for feet. 12 feet-holy cow. That is around a 1/4 of the river depth at Baton Rouge.
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LSU Prof on Miss River

(06-13-2020 06:41 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I thought I saw two marks for inches instead of one for feet. 12 feet-holy cow. That is around a 1/4 of the river depth at Baton Rouge.
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(06-13-2020 10:10 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  LSU Prof on Miss River

(06-13-2020 06:41 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I thought I saw two marks for inches instead of one for feet. 12 feet-holy cow. That is around a 1/4 of the river depth at Baton Rouge.

That was worth the 8 minutes to watch. Thanks.
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Isn't the Atchafalaya what you pass over on I-10 between Lafayette and Baton Rouge? That bridge was crazy. I remember driving and driving and still being on that same bridge. It just went on and on and on. The Cheaspeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel from Va Beach to the Delmarva and the Overseas Hwy to Key West are impressive because there are places along the route were you can't see any land, but that Atchafalaya bridge I think was maybe wilder because you are over swampland the whole time. I barely remember seeing any river channels over what must have been a 15 mile bridge. I'm sure you Louisiana guys are confused about my impression of something so mundane, but I've always been impressed with bridges - I should have been an engineer.

I've never had a chance yet to cross the Lake Ponchitran Bridge.
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(06-14-2020 09:21 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(06-13-2020 10:10 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  LSU Prof on Miss River

(06-13-2020 06:41 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I thought I saw two marks for inches instead of one for feet. 12 feet-holy cow. That is around a 1/4 of the river depth at Baton Rouge.

That was worth the 8 minutes to watch. Thanks.

Definetly worth it. Also gotta admire the Asian profs pronunciation of Atchafalaya he gets it closer than a lot of Americans.
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(06-14-2020 09:53 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Isn't the Atchafalaya what you pass over on I-10 between Lafayette and Baton Rouge? That bridge was crazy. I remember driving and driving and still being on that same bridge. It just went on and on and on. The Cheaspeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel from Va Beach to the Delmarva and the Overseas Hwy to Key West are impressive because there are places along the route were you can't see any land, but that Atchafalaya bridge I think was maybe wilder because you are over swampland the whole time. I barely remember seeing any river channels over what must have been a 15 mile bridge. I'm sure you Louisiana guys are confused about my impression of something so mundane, but I've always been impressed with bridges - I should have been an engineer.

Yes that is the Atchafalaya Swamp Expressway and at 18 miles it is not even the longest in Louisiana which the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway at 23 miles wins that honor. But they are both among the longest concrete bridges in the world.

http://www.historyofbridges.com/famous-b...t-bridges/

And yeah I love bridges too. Crossing the Millau Viaduct en France is a major highlight of my life.
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And though not really a bridge, close behind driving across the Millau was going thru the Falkirk Wheel in Scotland.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkirk_Wheel
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(06-14-2020 10:04 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 09:53 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Isn't the Atchafalaya what you pass over on I-10 between Lafayette and Baton Rouge? That bridge was crazy. I remember driving and driving and still being on that same bridge. It just went on and on and on. The Cheaspeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel from Va Beach to the Delmarva and the Overseas Hwy to Key West are impressive because there are places along the route were you can't see any land, but that Atchafalaya bridge I think was maybe wilder because you are over swampland the whole time. I barely remember seeing any river channels over what must have been a 15 mile bridge. I'm sure you Louisiana guys are confused about my impression of something so mundane, but I've always been impressed with bridges - I should have been an engineer.

Yes that is the Atchafalaya Swamp Expressway and at 18 miles it is not even the longest in Louisiana which the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway at 23 miles wins that honor. But they are both among the longest concrete bridges in the world.

http://www.historyofbridges.com/famous-b...t-bridges/

And yeah I love bridges too. Crossing the Millau Viaduct en France is a major highlight of my life.

I never think of the Manchac interstate road between LaPlace and Ponchatoula when thinking of LA bridges as I don't travel it as much.
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(06-14-2020 09:53 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Isn't the Atchafalaya what you pass over on I-10 between Lafayette and Baton Rouge? That bridge was crazy. I remember driving and driving and still being on that same bridge. It just went on and on and on. The Cheaspeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel from Va Beach to the Delmarva and the Overseas Hwy to Key West are impressive because there are places along the route were you can't see any land, but that Atchafalaya bridge I think was maybe wilder because you are over swampland the whole time. I barely remember seeing any river channels over what must have been a 15 mile bridge. I'm sure you Louisiana guys are confused about my impression of something so mundane, but I've always been impressed with bridges - I should have been an engineer.

I've never had a chance yet to cross the Lake Ponchitran Bridge.

You may know, but in case you don't, I have to add that the original structures for the bridges to Key West were fro carrying trains.
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(06-14-2020 09:53 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 09:21 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(06-13-2020 10:10 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  LSU Prof on Miss River

(06-13-2020 06:41 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I thought I saw two marks for inches instead of one for feet. 12 feet-holy cow. That is around a 1/4 of the river depth at Baton Rouge.

That was worth the 8 minutes to watch. Thanks.

Definetly worth it. Also gotta admire the Asian profs pronunciation of Atchafalaya he gets it closer than a lot of Americans.
There can be advantages to having to listen to a think accent. If forces one to really pay attention.

So when the Mississippi diverts to the Atchafalaya will the stream take on the Mississippi name or keep the Atchafalaya name?
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(06-14-2020 11:56 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 09:53 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 09:21 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(06-13-2020 10:10 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  LSU Prof on Miss River

(06-13-2020 06:41 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I thought I saw two marks for inches instead of one for feet. 12 feet-holy cow. That is around a 1/4 of the river depth at Baton Rouge.

That was worth the 8 minutes to watch. Thanks.

Definetly worth it. Also gotta admire the Asian profs pronunciation of Atchafalaya he gets it closer than a lot of Americans.
There can be advantages to having to listen to a think accent. If forces one to really pay attention.

So when the Mississippi diverts to the Atchafalaya will the stream take on the Mississippi name or keep the Atchafalaya name?
Good question.
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(06-14-2020 11:19 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 09:53 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Isn't the Atchafalaya what you pass over on I-10 between Lafayette and Baton Rouge? That bridge was crazy. I remember driving and driving and still being on that same bridge. It just went on and on and on. The Cheaspeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel from Va Beach to the Delmarva and the Overseas Hwy to Key West are impressive because there are places along the route were you can't see any land, but that Atchafalaya bridge I think was maybe wilder because you are over swampland the whole time. I barely remember seeing any river channels over what must have been a 15 mile bridge. I'm sure you Louisiana guys are confused about my impression of something so mundane, but I've always been impressed with bridges - I should have been an engineer.

I've never had a chance yet to cross the Lake Ponchitran Bridge.

You may know, but in case you don't, I have to add that the original structures for the bridges to Key West were fro carrying trains.

Henry Flager's Florida East Coast Railroad built the original bridges to connect Key West, which was Florida's largest city at the time. I'm a bit of a train buff too, but not nearly as big as you, McLeansville App.
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(06-14-2020 03:41 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 11:19 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 09:53 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Isn't the Atchafalaya what you pass over on I-10 between Lafayette and Baton Rouge? That bridge was crazy. I remember driving and driving and still being on that same bridge. It just went on and on and on. The Cheaspeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel from Va Beach to the Delmarva and the Overseas Hwy to Key West are impressive because there are places along the route were you can't see any land, but that Atchafalaya bridge I think was maybe wilder because you are over swampland the whole time. I barely remember seeing any river channels over what must have been a 15 mile bridge. I'm sure you Louisiana guys are confused about my impression of something so mundane, but I've always been impressed with bridges - I should have been an engineer.

I've never had a chance yet to cross the Lake Ponchitran Bridge.

You may know, but in case you don't, I have to add that the original structures for the bridges to Key West were fro carrying trains.

Henry Flager's Florida East Coast Railroad built the original bridges to connect Key West, which was Florida's largest city at the time. I'm a bit of a train buff too, but not nearly as big as you, McLeansville App.

And I am a lightweight compared to some. Others can ID the profile of an engine like they are on a WWII sub hunting enemy ships.
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(06-09-2020 11:41 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  Does anyone live or work around New Iberia, LA? I have some questions about the port there.

I’m not that far away from there. What’s your questions?

I was on a website that that info for ports all around the world. I know there are plenty of river ports and in some cases they have a long route to a seaport. Pittsburgh and Knoxville come to mind. I don't know if what is shipped at those ports are loaded in containers for ease of conveyance to a ocean-going ship or if the barge is loaded for quick unloading for another river port to be used at the river or futher conveyed by rail or truck. I am sure some of all gets involved and some of those river ports are all but dead due to lose of industry over the last few decades.

So at New Iberia that river has had a lot of dredging to make for the barge parking area at the port area. Some effort and cost has been made to get this port to be usable it would seem. And the location to the ocean is not that far and there are no connections to the Mississippi River to move the barge upstream. One could use the Intercoastal Waterway to move towards New Orleans of maybe towards the Houston, TX area.

I guess I was just surprised that the distance to the open ocean is no that far away and there is not much places to send a barge to for all the effort of maing the port work- it would seem. What gets shipped to/from there and any idea of origin/destination.

They have a website so there is enough business for that. It seems to be more active at this port than I may have first realized.

You can get to the Intercoastal, Atchafalaya which will get you into other Rivers like the Mississippi, Missouri, Red, Ohio. I work in road construction and I know majority of stone, cement and other road way materials comes through that port when receiving materials from quarries all over the US. I’m sure they have other things like steel that come through but I’m not completely sure.
I’ve always thought that most of the work port did is offshore oil and gas related.
You are correct. It is.
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