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MEAC's Next Move To Expand
Lets start off with some schools first before the candidates.
Bethune-Cookman leaves to join ASun/Big South football
South Carolina State leaves for the Big South
North Carolina Central leaves for the Big South

Howard can't leave yet until they fixed their financial woes, and they would be safe for now.

Now MEAC could expand with these D1 schools.
NJIT would love to have a conference in their footprint and would ease the ASUN from travel costs.
Robert Morris would loe to have an all sports in the same conference.
Monmouth would love to do the same.

Now D2 candidates.
The HBCU schools.
University of District Columbia, a former D1 school, and is the only HBCU school in the East Coast Conference. They are a small public, but in a conference mainly for schools in the state of New York. Travel cost would go down.
Albany State, it would be a large hill for them to climb.
Clark Atlanta would get another school in Atlanta. But, they are small with more money to play with. They would not be the small private school with more than 3000 students.
Morehouse College do have a $145.1 million dollar endowment, and been adding courses as well. They are a small private, but they could fit D1.
Kentucky State, a small chance, but their enrollment have been going up in recent years, but they need a few more years to get bigger.
Bowie State is a school that got my interests a few years back when they announced that they will put a blue turf in for their football field. Their enrollment have been going up. They could fit in right away.
Fayetteville State might be a more stable D2 North Carolina HBCU school with money and stable enrollment.
Central State Ohio is a work in process, but they are heading in the right direction going up. Wilburforce should merged with them since they both serve to the same demos and are across from the street from each other. CSO mentioned in a news article that their plan was to get to D1 in the future.
Virginia State and Virginia Union are two best schools in the CIAA to move up with Bowie at number 3.

Non-HBCUs
Long shots:
New Haven
S. Conn. State
Lindenwood
Southern Indiana

These schools would stretch their footprint further.

Schools they should try and get.
Augusta which they are already an affiliate in a sport.
Columbus State
North Georgia
Valdosta State
West Georgia
Any of these schools may help keep BCU and SCSU to stay.

NYIT, Queens, Indiana-PA., Kutztown and West Chester could help the northern schools.

Belmont Abbey, Catawba, UNC-Pembroke, Limestone, Carson-Newman, King, Lincoln Memorial, Tusculum, Union, Shepherd and Frostberg State could solidified the Virginia and North Carolina area.


Which schools do you think might jump for spots in the MEAC?
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University of DC only sponsors 10 sports—they are in no position to upgrade.
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(06-08-2020 07:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  University of DC only sponsors 10 sports—they are in no position to upgrade.

Facts, shmacts ... David State laughs at your petty obsession with "claims having even the most tenuous connection to reality".

I'm just waiting with bated breath for the discussion to turn to how the MEAC is going to start sponsoring ice hockey.

To then be followed by the poll on how many hockey teams the MEAC should attempt to attract.
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(06-08-2020 07:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets start off with some schools first before the candidates.
Bethune-Cookman leaves to join ASun/Big South football
South Carolina State leaves for the Big South
North Carolina Central leaves for the Big South

Howard can't leave yet until they fixed their financial woes, and they would be safe for now.

Now MEAC could expand with these D1 schools.
NJIT would love to have a conference in their footprint and would ease the ASUN from travel costs.
Robert Morris would loe to have an all sports in the same conference.
Monmouth would love to do the same.

Now D2 candidates.
The HBCU schools.
University of District Columbia, a former D1 school, and is the only HBCU school in the East Coast Conference. They are a small public, but in a conference mainly for schools in the state of New York. Travel cost would go down.
Albany State, it would be a large hill for them to climb.
Clark Atlanta would get another school in Atlanta. But, they are small with more money to play with. They would not be the small private school with more than 3000 students.
Morehouse College do have a $145.1 million dollar endowment, and been adding courses as well. They are a small private, but they could fit D1.
Kentucky State, a small chance, but their enrollment have been going up in recent years, but they need a few more years to get bigger.
Bowie State is a school that got my interests a few years back when they announced that they will put a blue turf in for their football field. Their enrollment have been going up. They could fit in right away.
Fayetteville State might be a more stable D2 North Carolina HBCU school with money and stable enrollment.
Central State Ohio is a work in process, but they are heading in the right direction going up. Wilburforce should merged with them since they both serve to the same demos and are across from the street from each other. CSO mentioned in a news article that their plan was to get to D1 in the future.
Virginia State and Virginia Union are two best schools in the CIAA to move up with Bowie at number 3.

Non-HBCUs
Long shots:
New Haven
S. Conn. State
Lindenwood
Southern Indiana

These schools would stretch their footprint further.

Schools they should try and get.
Augusta which they are already an affiliate in a sport.
Columbus State
North Georgia
Valdosta State
West Georgia
Any of these schools may help keep BCU and SCSU to stay.

NYIT, Queens, Indiana-PA., Kutztown and West Chester could help the northern schools.

Belmont Abbey, Catawba, UNC-Pembroke, Limestone, Carson-Newman, King, Lincoln Memorial, Tusculum, Union, Shepherd and Frostberg State could solidified the Virginia and North Carolina area.


Which schools do you think might jump for spots in the MEAC?


I don't even know where to start...………………………………….

98% of this is straight space talk. Howard has no financial woes but BCU and SC State does. BCU is probably getting a SWAC invite more than likely. None of the D2 schools you named have any plans on moving to the D1 level.
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A swap of SC St and B-C for Bowie St and Virginia St would tighten up the footprint some and maybe allow the MEAC a chance to survive as a bus league. Bowie St would need to add some sports though.
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NJIT isn’t a HBCU, or even close to it. I doubt the MEAC is interested, but you’re the “guru”. LOL
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(06-08-2020 08:09 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A swap of SC St and B-C for Bowie St and Virginia St would tighten up the footprint some and maybe allow the MEAC a chance to survive as a bus league. Bowie St would need to add some sports though.

Bowie St gets thrown around, but they’re a non-starter imo. FB seating capacity is 2964. VSU BB seats more than Bowie FB.

[Image: Stadium-Entrance.jpg]

[Image: ChynaButlerfastbreak.jpg]

Next invite has to go to Virginia St (7909 capacity) or Winston-Salem St.

VSU BB:

[Image: VSU_Multipurpose_Center.jpg]

WSSU FB:

[Image: DpJrcXUW4AA22cy.jpg]

If VSU and WSSU reject, it’s Chicago St or PWI or bust.
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I still think the MEAC should sell the shell of the conference to eight schools departing from C-USA:

MEAC-USA (10): Marshall, Old Dominion, James Madison (from CAA), Charlotte, Georgia State (from Sun Belt), UAB, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennesee

C-USA (10): UTEP, NMSU (from WAC/FBS Ind.), UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, Texas State (from Sun Belt), Arkansas State (from Sun Belt), South Alabama (from Sun Belt)

Sun Belt (10/12): Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Troy, Georgia Southern, App State, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Kentucky (from OVC), Jacksonville State (from OVC), Texas-Arlington (restarts program), East Tennesee State (from SoCon), Little Rock (no football), Bellarmine (no football, from Atlantic Sun)

The OVC takes Kennesaw State and North Alabama. The SoCon takes Lipscomb. The Atlantic Sun takes in the balance of the old MEAC.
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Central State separated from Wilberforce (a private school, BTW, in 1941 as it went from a two-year teaching program funded by the state of Ohio with a separate board of directors than Wilberforce into it's own school. While they merged information technology, library, housing and food services in 2017, Wilberforce will likely close before reuniting with Central State fully.
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03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao It's fantasy-comedy time!

(06-08-2020 07:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets start off with some schools first before the candidates.
Bethune-Cookman leaves to join ASun/Big South football
South Carolina State leaves for the Big South
North Carolina Central leaves for the Big South

Howard can't leave yet until they fixed their financial woes, and they would be safe for now.
...

Now D2 candidates.
The HBCU schools.
University of District Columbia, a former D1 school, and is the only HBCU school in the East Coast Conference. They are a small public, but in a conference mainly for schools in the state of New York. Travel cost would go down.
Albany State, it would be a large hill for them to climb.
Clark Atlanta would get another school in Atlanta. But, they are small with more money to play with. They would not be the small private school with more than 3000 students.
Morehouse College do have a $145.1 million dollar endowment, and been adding courses as well. They are a small private, but they could fit D1.
Kentucky State, a small chance, but their enrollment have been going up in recent years, but they need a few more years to get bigger.
Bowie State is a school that got my interests a few years back when they announced that they will put a blue turf in for their football field. Their enrollment have been going up. They could fit in right away.
Fayetteville State might be a more stable D2 North Carolina HBCU school with money and stable enrollment.
Central State Ohio is a work in process, but they are heading in the right direction going up. Wilburforce should merged with them since they both serve to the same demos and are across from the street from each other. CSO mentioned in a news article that their plan was to get to D1 in the future.
Virginia State and Virginia Union are two best schools in the CIAA to move up with Bowie at number 3.

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Which schools do you think might jump for spots in the MEAC?

I would love to see a link for the Central State plan for D1. Have any of these schools done any studies for a possible D1 move?

Does Atlanta need or want another D1 school? Why just stop at merging Central State and Wilberforce; Clark Atlanta, Morehouse, and Morris Brown are all across the street from each other so let's go ahead an merge them too. Albany State and Fayetteville State just dropped sports; Albany State is also on probation through Nov 2021.

The following quote is from the "NC A&T to the Big South, announcement coming Friday" thread stating Virginia State is too small and now four months later they are one of the best CIAA schools to move up. How can they suddenly grow their enrollment from the beginning to the end of a single semester to be big enough for D1?

(02-06-2020 02:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  And I get slammed in the ASUN/UAC thread about several MEAC schools could drop to D2 because of lack of enrollment and the lack of money to keep sports in D1. NC A&T, NC Cental, Howard and Florida A&M have the enrollment and could stay in D1.
Virginia State have the lack of enrollment to be move to D1. It would only be schools like Albany State that might make the move.
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(06-08-2020 09:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I still think the MEAC should sell the shell of the conference to eight schools departing from C-USA:

MEAC-USA (10): Marshall, Old Dominion, James Madison (from CAA), Charlotte, Georgia State (from Sun Belt), UAB, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennesee

C-USA (10): UTEP, NMSU (from WAC/FBS Ind.), UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, Texas State (from Sun Belt), Arkansas State (from Sun Belt), South Alabama (from Sun Belt)

Sun Belt (10/12): Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Troy, Georgia Southern, App State, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Kentucky (from OVC), Jacksonville State (from OVC), Texas-Arlington (restarts program), East Tennesee State (from SoCon), Little Rock (no football), Bellarmine (no football, from Atlantic Sun)

The OVC takes Kennesaw State and North Alabama. The SoCon takes Lipscomb. The Atlantic Sun takes in the balance of the old MEAC.

Tempting, but no.
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(06-08-2020 09:06 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 08:09 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A swap of SC St and B-C for Bowie St and Virginia St would tighten up the footprint some and maybe allow the MEAC a chance to survive as a bus league. Bowie St would need to add some sports though.

Bowie St gets thrown around, but they’re a non-starter imo. FB seating capacity is 2964. VSU BB seats more than Bowie FB.

[Image: Stadium-Entrance.jpg]

[Image: ChynaButlerfastbreak.jpg]

Next invite has to go to Virginia St (7909 capacity) or Winston-Salem St.

VSU BB:

[Image: VSU_Multipurpose_Center.jpg]

WSSU FB:

[Image: DpJrcXUW4AA22cy.jpg]

If VSU and WSSU reject, it’s Chicago St or PWI or bust.

Ooo VSU bb arena kinda looks D1ish. I like that arena
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(06-08-2020 09:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I still think the MEAC should sell the shell of the conference to eight schools departing from C-USA:

Now THAT would be an ACTUAL NCAA rules loophole: the continuity rules do not require ANY continuity of teams WHATSOEVER, they just require that the conference continuously sponsors the sport in question.

But bear in mind that whatever group could come up with the money to take over the MEAC autobid wouldn't actually HAVE to sort out the rest of the CUSA/SBC membership. They can just have an "airport meeting" and go ahead and do it.

Take seven CUSA/SBC schools from the eastern edge of their area plus the two Florida's, play a round robin of eight games, let the balance of the CUSA and SBC schools sort themselves out

"South Atlantic Conference+": Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Florida International, Florida Atlantic, Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia State, Georgia Southern
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Wasnt WSSU moving up to the MEAC around 2008 before they decided against it
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I’m intrigued by the idea of selling the shell to some C-USA East schools. There is a lot of moving parts there. You have to find landing spots for 9 schools for one. How would the CIAA feel about a giant influx of DI Refugees? I’m assuming that’s where most of the MEAC ends up.

I wonder what the cash value of the organizational structure of a NCAA D-I conference is? Would Liberty be willing to foot a large share of the bill to get included?
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(06-09-2020 12:41 AM)KingSean Wrote:  Wasnt WSSU moving up to the MEAC around 2008 before they decided against it

They played in the MEAC for a few seasons before dropping back down due to financial difficulties.
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(06-09-2020 12:41 AM)KingSean Wrote:  Wasnt WSSU moving up to the MEAC around 2008 before they decided against it

They made the move but decided to move back down. It was too expensive. WSSU also was having to rent the basketball arena because their gym was to small which cost money. Add the fact that they weren't getting the crowds that they though in football plus the added travel.
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I don't think the MEAC can expand unless it moves to DII.
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If BCU, NCCU, and SCSU all leave, it's game over for the MEAC as an HBCU conference. There aren't enough HBCUs in D2 looking at the move up to fill that big of a void, so it's either invite PWIs or let it come crashing down. Delaware State, Norfolk State, and Morgan State probably all end up in D2 at that point, as do Coppin and UMES. Howard has enough appeal as a school to find an FCS conference somewhere but has to be willing to actually commit to spending money on the football team.

The idea of selling the conference to other schools would be interesting. I wonder about the mechanics of an FCS conference being filled with FBS schools. Would the conference technically have to go through a reclassification process, or could it immediately negotiate bowl tie-ins? You'd have to get seven schools to break away from one conference to form a new one with bids in other sports, as well, so we're talking about cleaving C-USA clean in half. Maybe they try what the ASUN is doing and put two conferences under the same umbrella? Play non-conference games against each other, negotiate rights and licensing collectively, but have separate conference tournaments and separate auto-bids. Probably a bit far-fetched, but, hey, someone is already trying it.

The sale price of a conference would presumably be the value of its collective NCAA tournament units over the six-year period after the sale plus any media rights the conference has. Six MBB tournament units paid out over six years totals $10.155 million, so I'd ballpark the MEAC at being worth around $11-12 million with all assets included. Depending on who is left at the end, that could be quite the golden parachute.
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(06-10-2020 01:02 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  The idea of selling the conference to other schools would be interesting. I wonder about the mechanics of an FCS conference being filled with FBS schools. Would the conference technically have to go through a reclassification process, or could it immediately negotiate bowl tie-ins?

There isn't a conference reclassification process in Article 20, just a school reclassification process. It seems like all they do is petition to be classified as FBS.

Quote: 20.02.6 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference. A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the conference schedule in at least six men's and eight women's conference-sponsored sports, including men's basketball and football and three women's team sports including women's basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regular season and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

Technically it should take eight years for this new FBS conference to establish continuity in FBS football, but, since there isn't an autobid to obtain in FBS, where FBS football matter is that the continuity as a multi-sport conference is defined in terms of rules that include "two other's men's team sports or football", without defining whether it is FCS or FBS football, so according to the letter of the law, the conference running an FCS competition in one year and an FBS competition in the following year satisfied the multi-sport continuity rules.

What is relevant to FBS is they are not a signatory to the CFP contract, so you wouldn't do this until it is time to sit down for the next CFP negotiations.

(06-10-2020 01:02 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  You'd have to get seven schools to break away from one conference to form a new one with bids in other sports, as well,
This was under the old continuity rule. Under the new continuity rule, it could be any mix of schools from multiple conferences or independents, since there is no longer "having played together" rule.

Quote: so we're talking about cleaving C-USA clean in half.
No, we aren't. If you wanted 9, for a full conference round robin of eight games followed by a top two CCG, 5 from CUSA and 4 from the Sunbelt Conference would work. Or 5/3/1 independent.
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