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RE: MEAC's Next Move To Expand
Bowie State isn't in the MEAC, they're D2.
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(06-16-2020 04:00 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Bowie State isn't in the MEAC, they're D2.

You are right - been reading too many DavidSt threads!
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(06-09-2020 12:41 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 09:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I still think the MEAC should sell the shell of the conference to eight schools departing from C-USA:

Now THAT would be an ACTUAL NCAA rules loophole: the continuity rules do not require ANY continuity of teams WHATSOEVER, they just require that the conference continuously sponsors the sport in question.

But bear in mind that whatever group could come up with the money to take over the MEAC autobid wouldn't actually HAVE to sort out the rest of the CUSA/SBC membership. They can just have an "airport meeting" and go ahead and do it.

Take seven CUSA/SBC schools from the eastern edge of their area plus the two Florida's, play a round robin of eight games, let the balance of the CUSA and SBC schools sort themselves out

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Bethune-Cookman may soon be headed to the SWAC, which makes this much more manageable. Ironically, the MEAC taking 9 FBS schools would guarantee the Sun Belt or C-USA needing to upgrade someone, as the SBC and C-USA have 24 football members between them, and everyone has to have at least 8 full members in FBS. To use your example, the Sun Belt would have 6 members for football. Unless if both UT-Arlington and UALR could spin up from zero to immediate FBS transition, the Belt has to invite a minimum of two schools.
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RE: MEAC's Next Move To Expand
So the MEAC might be down to 6 FB teams. If Virginia St and WSSU don’t want to join, hoooo boy.

Delaware St
Morgan St
Howard
Norfolk St
North Carolina Central
South Carolina St

My prediction is Virginia St will be invited imminently.
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(06-18-2020 11:21 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  So the MEAC might be down to 6 FB teams. If Virginia St and WSSU don’t want to join, hoooo boy.

Delaware St
Morgan St
Howard
Norfolk St
North Carolina Central
South Carolina St

My prediction is Virginia St will be invited imminently.

If the MEAC is dropped to six and is on the two year clock to get back up to seven, and if the HBCU's that are at least tenuous prospects for a move up say no, I'm going to follow DFW Hoya and IWokeUpLikeThis and would not be surprised if it was PBC Chicago State.
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Six is the minimum in FCS football, which Chicago State doesn't sponsor anyway.
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Honestly, who is steering the ship in the MEAC right now? They’ve lost 4 members recently and now a 5th is openly talking about departing as well. What are they doing internally to cause this?

Any more damage and they are beyond repair. If I’m a CIAA school like Virginia St I’m not joining this mess. I’d feel bad for their plight but they need to drop down to DII not continue to try to operate as DI.
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RE: MEAC's Next Move To Expand
(06-10-2020 03:37 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(06-10-2020 01:46 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  
(06-10-2020 02:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Having HBCUs in a same conference with non-HBCUs might be the answer to help get their competition in sports up, and could attract new students to their campuses. Adding NJIT could help established a northern present if they lose the southern schools. What they need is to explore this since the HBCUs are slowly becoming an all race schools. West Virginia State is the one that is mostly white right now. Some HBCUs in NAIA in the same conferences with other non-HBCUs had some success. MEAC needs to do something new.


HBCUs have ALWAYS been all race schools which is one of the reasons we received the HBCU designation in the first place. West Virginia State has been majority white since the mid 60s for reasons not tied to any diversity efforts.
Yes, and they made a movie about my former, teacher, coach, co-worker for being the 1st white guy to play at Grambling. Jim Gregory "The White Tiger"

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(06-19-2020 04:25 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-18-2020 11:21 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  So the MEAC might be down to 6 FB teams. If Virginia St and WSSU don’t want to join, hoooo boy.

Delaware St
Morgan St
Howard
Norfolk St
North Carolina Central
South Carolina St

My prediction is Virginia St will be invited imminently.

If the MEAC is dropped to six and is on the two year clock to get back up to seven, and if the HBCU's that are at least tenuous prospects for a move up say no, I'm going to follow DFW Hoya and IWokeUpLikeThis and would not be surprised if it was PBC Chicago State.

It appears that internally the MEAC was discussing a drop to D2. I think the fee for leaving goes up to $500,000 after June 30th. This is probably what forced the schools to make a decision on departing.
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Howard, NCCU, and Norfolk I have a hard time seeing dropping. SCSU is consistently good at football, but I know they have/had budget issues.

Still, that core of 6 teams (Plus Coppin/UMES) is a very bus-able league, Morgan St or UMES to SCSU is about the longest trek, at a little over 8 hours, basically every other trip is a bus ride, and a lot of trips are under 2 hours. Would going D2 really save much money?
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(06-19-2020 09:15 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Howard, NCCU, and Norfolk I have a hard time seeing dropping. SCSU is consistently good at football, but I know they have/had budget issues.

Still, that core of 6 teams (Plus Coppin/UMES) is a very bus-able league, Morgan St or UMES to SCSU is about the longest trek, at a little over 8 hours, basically every other trip is a bus ride, and a lot of trips are under 2 hours. Would going D2 really save much money?

That assumes Coppin State and UMES can add Football.
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(06-19-2020 05:32 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Six is the minimum in FCS football, which Chicago State doesn't sponsor anyway.

Sorry, misread the post and forgot about UMES.
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RE: MEAC's Next Move To Expand
CIAA map:
[Image: d1a2ecc9e0521d24aa436db591db2b0768e52f9b.png]

Only schools with >3k enrollment are Bowie St, Fayetteville St, Virginia St, & Winston-Salem St.

Their endowments are as follows:
Bowie St - $8M
Fayetteville St - $19M
Virginia St - $48M
WSSU - $42M

Fayetteville plays in a 5k-seat FB stadium with 5 CIAA schools in their state. Bowie St's FB capacity dips below 3k. Throw in their endowments and these two are nowhere near equiped to moveup. WSSU is healthier with a 17k-seat FB stadium but its president was just quoted as knocking DI and raving about DII.

VSU has a beautiful basketball stadium and 7.9k FB capacity. They're the only ready and willing(?) candidate.

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MEAC travel matrix

Delaware St
CSU - 1:45
MSU - 1:45
UMES - 1:30
HU - 1:45
NSU - 4:00
NCCU - 5:30
SCSU - 8:45
[VSU - 3:45]

Coppin St
DSU - 1:45
MSU - 0:15
UMES - 2:30
HU - 1:00
NSU - 4:00
NCCU - 4:45
SCSU - 8:00
[VSU - 2:45]

Morgan St
DSU - 1:45
CSU - 0:15
UMES - 2:30
HU - 1:00
NSU - 4:00
NCCU - 5:00
SCSU - 8:00
[VSU - 3:00]

Maryland Eastern Shore
DSU - 1:30
CSU - 2:30
MSU - 2:30
HU - 2:30
NSU - 2:15
NCCU - 5:30
SCSU - 8:00
[VSU - 3:45]

Howard
DSU - 1:45
CSU - 1:00
MSU - 1:00
UMES - 2:30
NSU - 3:30
NCCU - 4:15
SCSU - 7:30
[VSU - 2:15]

Norfolk St
DSU - 4:00
CSU - 4:00
MSU - 4:00
UMES - 2:15
HU - 3:30
NCCU - 3:00
SCSU - 5:45
[VSU - 1:30]

North Carolina Central
DSU - 5:30
CSU - 4:45
MSU - 5:00
UMES - 5:30
HU - 4:15
NSU - 3:00
SCSU - 3:45
[VSU - 2:00]

South Carolina St
DSU - 8:45
CSU - 8:00
MSU - 8:00
UMES - 8:00
HU - 7:30
NSU - 5:45
NCCU - 3:45
[VSU - 5:15]

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Virginia St
-- MEAC --|-- CIAA --
NSU 1:30 | VUU 0:30
NCC 2:00 | ECS 2:15
How 2:15 | SAU 2:15
CSU 2:45 | BSU 2:30
MSU 3:00 | FSU 2:45
DSU 3:45 | WSS 3:00
MES 3:45 | LIV 3:30
SCS 5:15 | LIN 3:45
----------- | JCS 4:00
----------- | CLF 5:15
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(06-19-2020 09:15 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Howard, NCCU, and Norfolk I have a hard time seeing dropping. SCSU is consistently good at football, but I know they have/had budget issues.

Still, that core of 6 teams (Plus Coppin/UMES) is a very bus-able league, Morgan St or UMES to SCSU is about the longest trek, at a little over 8 hours, basically every other trip is a bus ride, and a lot of trips are under 2 hours. Would going D2 really save much money?

Perhaps if you reconfigure the CIAA and MEAC along geographic lines

MEAC
All sports

Lincoln, Pa.
Delaware State
Morgan State
Bowie State
Virginia Union
Virginia State
Elizabeth City State
Non-football
Coppin State
UMES
Football affiliate
Chowan

CIAA
All sports

South Carolina State
Benedict (moves from SIAC)
Johnson C. Smith
Fayetteville State
Livingstone
Winston-Salem State
Shaw
St. Augustine's
Non-football
Claffin

Both conferences would have eight schools for football and nine for basketball, presuming Benedict would want to move. The MEAC would be Virginia north, and the CIAA would be the Carolinas (Elizabeth City State and Chowan are closer to Virginia State/Virginia Union than the other N.C. schools). Howard and/or Norfolk State would go to the MEAC, N.C. Central to the CIAA. If Howard *and* NSU moved down, then ECSU/Chowan would flip to the CIAA.
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(06-19-2020 09:34 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(06-19-2020 09:15 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Howard, NCCU, and Norfolk I have a hard time seeing dropping. SCSU is consistently good at football, but I know they have/had budget issues.

Still, that core of 6 teams (Plus Coppin/UMES) is a very bus-able league, Morgan St or UMES to SCSU is about the longest trek, at a little over 8 hours, basically every other trip is a bus ride, and a lot of trips are under 2 hours. Would going D2 really save much money?

That assumes Coppin State and UMES can add Football.

I think FCS conferences only need 6 football teams. The Big South still got a playoff auto bid when it had 6 teams, and the MEAC doesn't even compete in the playoffs as it is.

It's not ideal, obviously, and OOC might be a pain, but the travel is very manageable.
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(06-19-2020 10:28 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I think FCS conferences only need 6 football teams.
That's exactly right ... 8 for FBS football absolute minimum, 7 for Div 1 basketball autobid, 6 for all other Division 1 sports autbids.

If the Celebration Bowl was continued between the SWAC and the MEAC, then dropping down to 5 would not be critical, since an FCS school can either go to a bowl or go to the championships ... not both.
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(06-19-2020 05:56 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Honestly, who is steering the ship in the MEAC right now? They’ve lost 4 members recently and now a 5th is openly talking about departing as well. What are they doing internally to cause this?

Any more damage and they are beyond repair. If I’m a CIAA school like Virginia St I’m not joining this mess. I’d feel bad for their plight but they need to drop down to DII not continue to try to operate as DI.


A rumor 6th one that I posted about South Carolina State to the Big South for all sports to get Big South an even north/south split for football.
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MEAC seems like a dying conference but there’s hope for survival. North Carolina Central and Howard seem like they will have better options. Perhaps Bethune-Cookman, too. So let’s say those 3 leave. That leaves 6. Throw a lifeline to Chicago St as #7. it’s a PBI that would be a significantly better fit in the MEAC than the WAC. It would also help the WAC.

Next, talk about inviting a couple schools from D-II. Maybe Savannah St and Winston-Salem St have an interest at giving it another go.
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Howard is the lynchpin. If they double down and stick with the FCS MEAC then Delaware St, Morgan St, UMES, Coppin St, and Norfolk St stick with them since they are all within bus range.

They could lose everyone else but as long as that core of 6 sticks together they can bring in Chicago St as their 7th.

If they lose Howard, the lose the heart and soul of the conference core and the rest will scatter: CIAA, ASUN, Big South, NEC, etc.
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If the MEAC is desperate wouldn't it not be a stretch to invite a non HBCU school to the conference? Is there any school in the footprint who wants D1 sports and is willing to use the MEAC as a way to get a D1 invite?
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