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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-04-2020 06:23 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: (06-04-2020 05:25 PM)macgar32 Wrote: You have no idea what you are talking about...
But hey keep telling your story...Making it up as you go.
I said hear stories of black kids getting pulled over for the lights about their license being out...Then you heard another story about another black kid being pulled over and harassed because he was out of school.
Then you kind of concede the point that it likely happens more to black people...Which brings us full circle...Do you think that is OK?
You said, "I am white. I speed through Bartlett. I've never been pulled over".
What exactly was your point in saying this pray tell?
I said that...
Damn that is news to me.
I believe you are lying or confused...You pick.
Young black kids are profiled...This is not new news.
But to a more productive topic...
Do you feel that black people get pulled over at a higher rate due to profiling?
Do you think that is OK?
If it is not OK what should be done?
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
Well..that escalated quickly
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
Do we have the statistics from the City of Bartlett from 2019 that prove that blacks get pulled over in Bartlett more than whites? Isn't Bartlett a fairly racially diverse town?
Is the claim that the Bartlett Police Dept is a bunch of profiling racists based on facts or a few anecdotal stories?
I'll hang up and listen.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-04-2020 07:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote: Do we have the statistics from the City of Bartlett from 2019 that prove that blacks get pulled over in Bartlett more than whites? Isn't Bartlett a fairly racially diverse town?
Is the claim that the Bartlett Police Dept is a bunch of profiling racists based on facts or a few anecdotal stories?
I'll hang up and listen.
Dropped your other argument I see...
And you are right they are anecdotal stories...No one called them racists...But you know that...you are just
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
I called them Nazis, but not racists. :)
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-04-2020 07:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote: (06-04-2020 07:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote: Do we have the statistics from the City of Bartlett from 2019 that prove that blacks get pulled over in Bartlett more than whites? Isn't Bartlett a fairly racially diverse town?
Is the claim that the Bartlett Police Dept is a bunch of profiling racists based on facts or a few anecdotal stories?
I'll hang up and listen.
Dropped your other argument I see...
And you are right they are anecdotal stories...No one called them racists...But you know that...you are just
No I already destroyed you in the other argument. Now im just asking for proof frrom you on this one.
You may be right but you don't know because you don't have any facts.
Go get some and come back.
I might listen.
And yes, by extension you have accused BPD of being racist.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-04-2020 07:33 PM)macgar32 Wrote: (06-04-2020 06:23 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: (06-04-2020 05:25 PM)macgar32 Wrote: You have no idea what you are talking about...
But hey keep telling your story...Making it up as you go.
I said hear stories of black kids getting pulled over for the lights about their license being out...Then you heard another story about another black kid being pulled over and harassed because he was out of school.
Then you kind of concede the point that it likely happens more to black people...Which brings us full circle...Do you think that is OK?
You said, "I am white. I speed through Bartlett. I've never been pulled over".
What exactly was your point in saying this pray tell?
I said that...
Damn that is news to me.
I believe you are lying or confused...You pick.
Young black kids are profiled...This is not new news.
But to a more productive topic...
Do you feel that black people get pulled over at a higher rate due to profiling?
Do you think that is OK?
If it is not OK what should be done?
It the police are after a suspect and he is described by the witnesses as a young black male. There is a good chance that the police will be pulling over young black males. I think it has a lot to do with the description given to them of the suspect.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-04-2020 08:05 PM)bluebacker Wrote: (06-04-2020 07:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote: (06-04-2020 07:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote: Do we have the statistics from the City of Bartlett from 2019 that prove that blacks get pulled over in Bartlett more than whites? Isn't Bartlett a fairly racially diverse town?
Is the claim that the Bartlett Police Dept is a bunch of profiling racists based on facts or a few anecdotal stories?
I'll hang up and listen.
Dropped your other argument I see...
And you are right they are anecdotal stories...No one called them racists...But you know that...you are just
No I already destroyed you in the other argument. Now im just asking for proof frrom you on this one.
You may be right but you don't know because you don't have any facts.
Go get some and come back.
I might listen.
And yes, by extension you have accused BPD of being racist.
Profiling does not make anyone a racist...It means they follow a policy.
Get it right.
Black cops profile as well.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-04-2020 08:12 PM)macgar32 Wrote: (06-04-2020 08:05 PM)bluebacker Wrote: (06-04-2020 07:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote: (06-04-2020 07:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote: Do we have the statistics from the City of Bartlett from 2019 that prove that blacks get pulled over in Bartlett more than whites? Isn't Bartlett a fairly racially diverse town?
Is the claim that the Bartlett Police Dept is a bunch of profiling racists based on facts or a few anecdotal stories?
I'll hang up and listen.
Dropped your other argument I see...
And you are right they are anecdotal stories...No one called them racists...But you know that...you are just
No I already destroyed you in the other argument. Now im just asking for proof frrom you on this one.
You may be right but you don't know because you don't have any facts.
Go get some and come back.
I might listen.
And yes, by extension you have accused BPD of being racist.
Profiling does not make anyone a racist...It means they follow a policy.
Get it right.
Black cops profile as well.
So, you have no numbers just anecdotal stories, a feeling you have, and what the national media crams down your throat.
It's not your fault - just do a little real research and don't always go with 'what everybody 'knows'.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-05-2020 01:15 AM)thagr82008 Wrote: MODZ.....PLZ
No, players have made the choice to bring politics and social issues into their respective sport. Not just a little bit - Front and center all the time.
Id much prefer to have sports as a refuge to escape politics and social issues but that choice is no longer available.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-05-2020 08:16 AM)bluebacker Wrote: (06-05-2020 01:15 AM)thagr82008 Wrote: MODZ.....PLZ
No, players have made the choice to bring politics and social issues into their respective sport. Not just a little bit - Front and center all the time.
Id much prefer to have sports as a refuge to escape politics and social issues but that choice is no longer available.
That's actually a really good point.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-05-2020 08:12 AM)bluebacker Wrote: (06-04-2020 08:12 PM)macgar32 Wrote: (06-04-2020 08:05 PM)bluebacker Wrote: (06-04-2020 07:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote: (06-04-2020 07:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote: Do we have the statistics from the City of Bartlett from 2019 that prove that blacks get pulled over in Bartlett more than whites? Isn't Bartlett a fairly racially diverse town?
Is the claim that the Bartlett Police Dept is a bunch of profiling racists based on facts or a few anecdotal stories?
I'll hang up and listen.
Dropped your other argument I see...
And you are right they are anecdotal stories...No one called them racists...But you know that...you are just
No I already destroyed you in the other argument. Now im just asking for proof frrom you on this one.
You may be right but you don't know because you don't have any facts.
Go get some and come back.
I might listen.
And yes, by extension you have accused BPD of being racist.
Profiling does not make anyone a racist...It means they follow a policy.
Get it right.
Black cops profile as well.
So, you have no numbers just anecdotal stories, a feeling you have, and what the national media crams down your throat.
It's not your fault - just do a little real research and don't always go with 'what everybody 'knows'.
When there is no recorded data what other evidence it there?
When people of color were screaming police brutality for years yet there was no evidence...Did it not exist?
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-05-2020 08:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote: When there is no recorded data what other evidence it there?
When people of color were screaming police brutality for years yet there was no evidence...Did it not exist?
See, this is the main spot where we keep disagreeing. There has been police brutality against people of all races, not just people of color. To keep singling out "people of color" is divisive and perpetuates the problem. I know that's the point, I just disagree with it.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report (UCR), blacks make up 12-16% of the US population & much higher than that in the large cities around the US. Blacks account for approx 50% of violent crimes in the US. This is factual information that is usually ignored in any discussions relative to police behavior. Does poverty have an influence? Maybe, but much less than the media would have you believe. Does racial bias have an effect? Statistics say no - in fact it says the opposite. But more important it wasn't always this way (blacks committing 50% of all violent crimes). So what has changed over the last 50-75 yrs? 50-75 yrs ago black men divorced their wives at a much lower rate than white men so men were in the home raising their children. Over the last 50 yrs, despite integration, schools are producing progressively worse student performance. So much so that school systems continually revise measurement metrics so as not to provide direct correlation to preceding performance measurements. School curriculum has continually moved towards a social education rather than concentrating on reading, writing & math that would better equipped students for life success. And politically over this same period, identity politics have become increasingly used to divide Americans, i.e., rather than discuss & distinguish criminals vs the law abiding, such distinctions are ignored in favor racial bias leaving the underlying crimes ignored. And for an anecdotal Memphis example of the tangible changes, I would submit the Orange Mound community. Prior to 1964, Orange Mount had more two parent homes than any community in Memphis. Crime rates in OM were much lower than surrounding neighborhoods. Orange Mount had more churches & a higher attendance rates than any other communities in the city. Orange Mound had an out-of-wedlock birth rate approx 1/100th of today. And Orange Mound had much higher student graduation rates than today. All of this success before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 & Lyndon Johnson's war on poverty. I say all of this to say, government is not the answer. The answer is for people to take back control of their marriages, their schools, their communities & make their government responsive to providing a law abiding & safe environment where families can raise their children safely, educate them effectively & elect effective leaders who get the job done rather than electing professional crooks who do little more than line their pockets & those of their crony friends while whipping up social unrest.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-05-2020 08:51 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: (06-05-2020 08:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote: When there is no recorded data what other evidence it there?
When people of color were screaming police brutality for years yet there was no evidence...Did it not exist?
See, this is the main spot where we keep disagreeing. There has been police brutality against people of all races, not just people of color. To keep singling out "people of color" is divisive and perpetuates the problem. I know that's the point, I just disagree with it.
You are right there is police brutality against all races...
It just occurs at higher rates among people of color. And along with the fact there is mistrust within the community with the police due to past history (Especially in the south)
Everyone's story is not the same. Everyone's plight is not equal.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-05-2020 08:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote: According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report (UCR), blacks make up 12-16% of the US population & much higher than that in the large cities around the US. Blacks account for approx 50% of violent crimes in the US. This is factual information that is usually ignored in any discussions relative to police behavior. Does poverty have an influence? Maybe, but much less than the media would have you believe. Does racial bias have an effect? Statistics say no - in fact it says the opposite. But more important it wasn't always this way (blacks committing 50% of all violent crimes). So what has changed over the last 50-75 yrs? 50-75 yrs ago black men divorced their wives at a much lower rate than white men so men were in the home raising their children. Over the last 50 yrs, despite integration, schools are producing progressively worse student performance. So much so that school systems continually revise measurement metrics so as not to provide direct correlation to preceding performance measurements. School curriculum has continually moved towards a social education rather than concentrating on reading, writing & math that would better equipped students for life success. And politically over this same period, identity politics have become increasingly used to divide Americans, i.e., rather than discuss & distinguish criminals vs the law abiding, such distinctions are ignored in favor racial bias leaving the underlying crimes ignored. And for an anecdotal Memphis example of the tangible changes, I would submit the Orange Mound community. Prior to 1964, Orange Mount had more two parent homes than any community in Memphis. Crime rates in OM were much lower than surrounding neighborhoods. Orange Mount had more churches & a higher attendance rates than any other communities in the city. Orange Mound had an out-of-wedlock birth rate approx 1/100th of today. And Orange Mound had much higher student graduation rates than today. All of this success before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 & Lyndon Johnson's war on poverty. I say all of this to say, government is not the answer. The answer is for people to take back control of their marriages, their schools, their communities & make their government responsive to providing a law abiding & safe environment where families can raise their children safely, educate them effectively & elect effective leaders who get the job done rather than electing professional crooks who do little more than line their pockets & those of their crony friends while whipping up social unrest.
There is a lot of truth there...Especially about schooling.
But I ask you the same question...Is it ok to treat blacks differently because statistically they commit more crime?
You mention it is the gov't responsibility to create a safe environment...If that involves stop and frisk methods that profile based on race...Is that OK? It definitely helped clean up N.Y.
And my math is bad but...I don't think the below table comes anywhere near 50%. Check your facts sir.. See how misinformation is easily repeated.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/201...s/table-43
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-05-2020 08:59 AM)macgar32 Wrote: (06-05-2020 08:51 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: (06-05-2020 08:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote: When there is no recorded data what other evidence it there?
When people of color were screaming police brutality for years yet there was no evidence...Did it not exist?
See, this is the main spot where we keep disagreeing. There has been police brutality against people of all races, not just people of color. To keep singling out "people of color" is divisive and perpetuates the problem. I know that's the point, I just disagree with it.
You are right there is police brutality against all races...
It just occurs at higher rates among people of color. And along with the fact there is mistrust within the community with the police due to past history (Especially in the south)
Everyone's story is not the same. Everyone's plight is not equal.
Nor has it ever been. Nor will it ever be. There is no Utopia waiting around the corner for us. All we can do is live and learn and try to do better.
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macgar32
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-05-2020 09:07 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: (06-05-2020 08:59 AM)macgar32 Wrote: (06-05-2020 08:51 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: (06-05-2020 08:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote: When there is no recorded data what other evidence it there?
When people of color were screaming police brutality for years yet there was no evidence...Did it not exist?
See, this is the main spot where we keep disagreeing. There has been police brutality against people of all races, not just people of color. To keep singling out "people of color" is divisive and perpetuates the problem. I know that's the point, I just disagree with it.
You are right there is police brutality against all races...
It just occurs at higher rates among people of color. And along with the fact there is mistrust within the community with the police due to past history (Especially in the south)
Everyone's story is not the same. Everyone's plight is not equal.
Nor has it ever been. Nor will it ever be. There is no Utopia waiting around the corner for us. All we can do is live and learn and try to do better.
Well that is why people who feel their plight is worse based on their race want to bring attention to it...So we can do better.
That is all that is going on here.
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