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RE: Norvell in hot water?
Does anyone know what the email said? If he’s trying to reach out to all players over the weekend (as he said) and let them know of his availability on an individual basis, an email makes sense. They have 120 players.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-04-2020 10:26 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  Does anyone know what the email said? If he’s trying to reach out to all players over the weekend (as he said) and let them know of his availability on an individual basis, an email makes sense. They have 120 players.

The ESPN article says Norvell sent a "generated" text to the players. So it was one canned text that got sent to everyone.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
Norvell's quote from The Athletic that triggered this


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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-04-2020 10:18 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  Here's how I see it could have happened... Norvell sent a mass text to each individual player, and some of them replied to it. He had discussions back and forth with a few (possibly many) of them via text. He would be correct in saying he reached out to each individual player, and also that he had discussed it with them.

The team captain sounds like he's letting a little power go to his head and making a huge overblown deal about a simple miscommunication. I wouldn't want that kind of toxicity in charge of the team, but Norvell is stuck with it now. If he's lucky, the team captain (who is apparently REALLY in charge of the team) will let him keep his job.

yea, I do see that side too

you just have to be so careful with whatever you communicate
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
Seeing how Coach Silverfield responded, I wondered how Coach Norvell would respond if he were still here. Boy he did not disappoint. No wonder the players weren't all too emotional when he left.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-04-2020 10:26 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  Does anyone know what the email said? If he’s trying to reach out to all players over the weekend (as he said) and let them know of his availability on an individual basis, an email makes sense. They have 120 players.

I think it was text a text. Not sure how anyone without an agenda would be upset with this or Norvell saying he reached out to each player.

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Quote:Good evening <player name> I wanted to shoot you a short message. Sorry I can't send a video because I am driving. I wanted the let you know that Maria and I are praying for every coach & player as well as for our country. For all those that have been victims of hateful actions, discrimination, prejudice and disrespect we lift our thoughts and seek justice. We live in an unfair & volatile world but I want you to know that you are loved & counted on to make a difference for our country's future. I know there is anger and strong feelings that come with each day and every experience but please know better days are ahead because of YOU. Be saft and please always know we are here for you as coaches and staff if you ever need to talk. You have a tremendous platform as a member of our Nole family. Lets be different and let our actions be heard in Service, Sacrifice and Respect. Thank you for opportunity to coach you and stand by your side. Can't wait to see you tomorrow night in zoom meeting.
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(06-04-2020 10:35 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:18 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  Here's how I see it could have happened... Norvell sent a mass text to each individual player, and some of them replied to it. He had discussions back and forth with a few (possibly many) of them via text. He would be correct in saying he reached out to each individual player, and also that he had discussed it with them.

The team captain sounds like he's letting a little power go to his head and making a huge overblown deal about a simple miscommunication. I wouldn't want that kind of toxicity in charge of the team, but Norvell is stuck with it now. If he's lucky, the team captain (who is apparently REALLY in charge of the team) will let him keep his job.

yea, I do see that side too

you just have to be so careful with whatever you communicate

I'm going with a combination of "stirring crap up" and "sports void boredom" for $400, Alex.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
What was wrong with that??
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
the players are saying he didn't have a back and forth with each player this past weekend on the subject as he claimed he did
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(06-04-2020 10:42 AM)mairving Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:26 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  Does anyone know what the email said? If he’s trying to reach out to all players over the weekend (as he said) and let them know of his availability on an individual basis, an email makes sense. They have 120 players.

I think it was text a text. Not sure how anyone without an agenda would be upset with this or Norvell saying he reached out to each player.

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Quote:Good evening <player name> I wanted to shoot you a short message. Sorry I can't send a video because I am driving. I wanted the let you know that Maria and I are praying for every coach & player as well as for our country. For all those that have been victims of hateful actions, discrimination, prejudice and disrespect we lift our thoughts and seek justice. We live in an unfair & volatile world but I want you to know that you are loved & counted on to make a difference for our country's future. I know there is anger and strong feelings that come with each day and every experience but please know better days are ahead because of YOU. Be saft and please always know we are here for you as coaches and staff if you ever need to talk. You have a tremendous platform as a member of our Nole family. Lets be different and let our actions be heard in Service, Sacrifice and Respect. Thank you for opportunity to coach you and stand by your side. Can't wait to see you tomorrow night in zoom meeting.

Replace “back and forth” with “reached out to” and nothing to see here. As aard said, perhaps he received replies from some but not all.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-04-2020 10:46 AM)Merrick Wrote:  What was wrong with that??

I don't think the issue was the text itself. It was the fact that he told a reporter he had "individual conversations with every player" over the weekend.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
AD just released a statement saying Norvell and players had a "closed door" meeting, and that it went well. So they are moving on.
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(06-04-2020 10:52 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:42 AM)mairving Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:26 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  Does anyone know what the email said? If he’s trying to reach out to all players over the weekend (as he said) and let them know of his availability on an individual basis, an email makes sense. They have 120 players.

I think it was text a text. Not sure how anyone without an agenda would be upset with this or Norvell saying he reached out to each player.

Message:
Quote:Good evening <player name> I wanted to shoot you a short message. Sorry I can't send a video because I am driving. I wanted the let you know that Maria and I are praying for every coach & player as well as for our country. For all those that have been victims of hateful actions, discrimination, prejudice and disrespect we lift our thoughts and seek justice. We live in an unfair & volatile world but I want you to know that you are loved & counted on to make a difference for our country's future. I know there is anger and strong feelings that come with each day and every experience but please know better days are ahead because of YOU. Be saft and please always know we are here for you as coaches and staff if you ever need to talk. You have a tremendous platform as a member of our Nole family. Lets be different and let our actions be heard in Service, Sacrifice and Respect. Thank you for opportunity to coach you and stand by your side. Can't wait to see you tomorrow night in zoom meeting.

Replace “back and forth” with “reached out to” and nothing to see here. As aard said, perhaps he received replies from some but not all.

Yes, and it wasn't a press conference where Norvell said this. It was a one on one conversation. He could have misspoke or been misquoted. Looks like they had a team meeting today and things have quieted down.
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(06-04-2020 10:53 AM)WColt45 Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:46 AM)Merrick Wrote:  What was wrong with that??

I don't think the issue was the text itself. It was the fact that he told a reporter he had "individual conversations with every player" over the weekend.

That’s not what he actually said though. On a side note, we are obviously desperate to find something sports related to discuss, lol.
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(06-04-2020 10:46 AM)Merrick Wrote:  What was wrong with that??

Nothing from a fan's perspective outside looking in but you can't lie like that to your players. He should have actually had a team meeting or met with each player individually like he said he did. First year and he's already lost the locker room. Gonna be rough for him until the old coach's players are gone. Also this will be used to negatively recruit against him.
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(06-04-2020 11:02 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:53 AM)WColt45 Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:46 AM)Merrick Wrote:  What was wrong with that??

I don't think the issue was the text itself. It was the fact that he told a reporter he had "individual conversations with every player" over the weekend.

That’s not what he actually said though. On a side note, we are obviously desperate to find something sports related to discuss, lol.

The reporter listed the actual quote from Norvell but changed it in his tweet.



Norvell's quote:
We had a lot of open communication with our team, our players and our coaches. I went back and forth individually with every player this weekend.

Reporters interpretation:
Quote:had individual conversations with every player on his roster this past weekend focused on the events of George Floyd.

Changed ever so slightly by the reporter. If Norvell leaves out the back and forth he's fine.
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(06-04-2020 11:03 AM)Crazier Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:46 AM)Merrick Wrote:  What was wrong with that??

Nothing from a fan's perspective outside looking in but you can't lie like that to your players. He should have actually had a team meeting or met with each player individually like he said he did. First year and he's already lost the locker room. Gonna be rough for him until the old coach's players are gone. Also this will be used to negatively recruit against him.

Kids get 4 years. The system is set up where coaches can change but they are punished by transferring (sit 1 yr). So they sign to play for Coach X. Their school runs off Coach X and hires Coach Y. Natural to have some resentment towards Coach Y.

Did he "lose the locker room?" Or is he in transition?
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
The problem is that we are in extremely contentious times. You have a victimized black community that has been and felt marginalized for generations. You have protests and riots occurring all over country fighting back against racial discrimination.

You then have a white coach making millions off the performance of young adults that are predominately black and that white coach stating he had individual conversations with each player addressing these racial issues. Norvell said this simply to make himself look good and look as if he was taking this situation head on with his black athletes. The players are not dumb and realize he said that to make himself look good. The reality is he sent out a generic text message that was mass sent. That is like me saying I have individual conversations with each of my clients every month because I blast out a monthly newsletter. Sure, that makes me sound good to a perspective client but it is deceitful at best and no client would consider that a one on one conversation. The players saw right through it and called him out it, as they should have. I think Norvell is a genuinely good guy but he should have kept his mouth shut or given some roundabout answer. But to claim he took the time to talk to each player one on one for self promotion purposes, in the midst of all of this, was a very bad decision and very bad look.
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(06-04-2020 11:18 AM)gusrob Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 11:03 AM)Crazier Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:46 AM)Merrick Wrote:  What was wrong with that??

Nothing from a fan's perspective outside looking in but you can't lie like that to your players. He should have actually had a team meeting or met with each player individually like he said he did. First year and he's already lost the locker room. Gonna be rough for him until the old coach's players are gone. Also this will be used to negatively recruit against him.

Kids get 4 years. The system is set up where coaches can change but they are punished by transferring (sit 1 yr). So they sign to play for Coach X. Their school runs off Coach X and hires Coach Y. Natural to have some resentment towards Coach Y.

Did he "lose the locker room?" Or is he in transition?

He lost it. It's his job to win the players over after he gets the job from the old regime. PR talk won't get players to buy in when you have you to build player's trust.
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(06-04-2020 09:37 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 07:55 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  He's white

You seem triggered.

You do realize the protests are against "White" people.

Hence my comment.


And yes, I'm very triggered.
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