(06-05-2020 09:15 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:12 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  In terms of proximity, the two pairs of closest FBS schools to each other are not in the same conference.

Houston and Rice are #1 - about 4 miles from each other.

Can you name #2? They're about 5 or 6 miles from each other - and again are in difference conferences.

Not looking it up, but would guess the Wolverines and Hurons.

Idaho and Washington State?

(06-05-2020 10:31 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:15 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:12 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  In terms of proximity, the two pairs of closest FBS schools to each other are not in the same conference.

Houston and Rice are #1 - about 4 miles from each other.

Can you name #2? They're about 5 or 6 miles from each other - and again are in difference conferences.

Not looking it up, but would guess the Wolverines and Hurons.

Idaho and Washington State?

Well done! I think you are right. I would have never guessed that over Michigan and Eastern.

(06-05-2020 10:31 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:15 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:12 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  In terms of proximity, the two pairs of closest FBS schools to each other are not in the same conference.

Houston and Rice are #1 - about 4 miles from each other.

Can you name #2? They're about 5 or 6 miles from each other - and again are in difference conferences.

Not looking it up, but would guess the Wolverines and Hurons.

Idaho and Washington State?

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Yes, Michigan and EMU are #2.

Idaho is no longer FBS football as others have said. But they and WSU are a little further away than the top 2 - about 7 miles away.

It's not going to happen again, but the block of Kansas/Kansas State/Missouri/Nebraska/Iowa State should all be in the same conference. They were founding members of the Missouri Valley, the founding block of the Big 6/7/8, and are all in close proximity to Kansas City, the home of the Big 8/12 basketball tournament. They are all within driving distance of each other.

The idea of Missouri playing a conference game against Florida and Nebraska playing one against Maryland when they could be playing decades-old rivalries against neighbors is one of the tragedies of realignment.

(06-06-2020 12:06 PM)johnintx Wrote:  It's not going to happen again, but the block of Kansas/Kansas State/Missouri/Nebraska/Iowa State should all be in the same conference. They were founding members of the Missouri Valley, the founding block of the Big 6/7/8, and are all in close proximity to Kansas City, the home of the Big 8/12 basketball tournament. They are all within driving distance of each other.

The idea of Missouri playing a conference game against Florida and Nebraska playing one against Maryland when they could be playing decades-old rivalries against neighbors is one of the tragedies of realignment.

I did notice that you left out OU/OSU out of that even with their long membership in the Big 8.

I take it that’s a reflection of the fact that the Oklahoma schools want/need a relationship with DFW and Texas even if the rest of the Big 8 probably resents the B12 experiment and would not have tried it again today?

(06-06-2020 01:53 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 12:06 PM)johnintx Wrote:  It's not going to happen again, but the block of Kansas/Kansas State/Missouri/Nebraska/Iowa State should all be in the same conference. They were founding members of the Missouri Valley, the founding block of the Big 6/7/8, and are all in close proximity to Kansas City, the home of the Big 8/12 basketball tournament. They are all within driving distance of each other.

The idea of Missouri playing a conference game against Florida and Nebraska playing one against Maryland when they could be playing decades-old rivalries against neighbors is one of the tragedies of realignment.

I did notice that you left out OU/OSU out of that even with their long membership in the Big 8.

I take it that’s a reflection of the fact that the Oklahoma schools want/need a relationship with DFW and Texas even if the rest of the Big 8 probably resents the B12 experiment and would not have tried it again today?

Pretty much. OU did fine in the Big 8. OU won 35 conference football championships in the MVC-Big 6/7/8. I miss the Big 8, but both Oklahoma schools have benefited from the Big 12. OU and OSU can both go either north or south, but have benefited by going south.

OU was the outlaw and outlier of the Big 8. OU's probations, though deserved, occurred as a member of the Big 8. Even after OU's basketball program became nationally relevant in the 80's, the structural power rested with KU/KSU/Mizzou. The Big 8 tournament was always a set of road games (still is in the B12, but was even more so in those days). In the Big 12, OU became a power broker with Texas. The OU football program crashed spectacularly as a result of probation and two bad hires in the 90's. After the Bob Stoops hire, we were able to find our way back.

Oklahoma A&M was left behind by the original Big 6, and didn't get in until it became OSU in 1958. They were glad to be in the Big 8. By this time, their best years in basketball had passed, and their football program struggled. They hung their hat on wrestling and golf. They were really good in baseball in the 80's and 90's, winning everything except a national championship. Their best years in football in the 70's and again in the 80's were followed by probation. Their athletic department was in trouble after the last probation, when the football team went 0-10-1 in 1990. They were able to hire alum Eddie Sutton (after his own scandal at Kentucky), who rebuilt their men's basketball program with players left behind by Leonard Hamilton. This allowed them to generate revenue through hoops until the formation of the Big 12 and the infusion of cash from T. Boone Pickens. With the move to the Big 12 and the Pickens donations, OSU was able to sustain success in football without being caught cheating. The proximity to the state of Texas absolutely helped them. I would be willing to say OSU has benefited as much or more from the Big 12 than any school, especially the 10 team version of the Big 12.

Not sure about should or could but I would like a round-robin conference like this:

WVU
Marshall
VT
ECU
NCSU
UNC
App St
South Carolina
Clemson
Navy

Off the top of my head:
Virginia Tech - WVU
Pitt - WVU
Pitt - Penn State
WVU - Maryland
In basketball Maryland should play - UVA UNC Duke and NCSU every year
Back to football :
Texas - Texas A&M
Missouri - Kansas
Nebraska - Oklahoma
Oklahoma - Texas A&M
Oklahoma State - Texas A&M
Arkansas - Texas
Iowa - Iowa State
UTAH - BYU
Colorado - Colorado State
Air Force - Navy - Army

App State-ECU
App State-Charlotte
App State-Marshall

Cincinnati-Louisville
Memphis-Louisville

La. Tech-ULM (I'm trolling here because LT fans lose their minds at the suggestion of being in a league with ULM, or with Louisiana, for that matter.)

UNCG-UNCW-UNCA-Western Carolina
College of Charleston-The Citadel

Houston-Rice

Syracuse-Penn State-Pitt-WVU

Many others

(06-06-2020 08:25 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  App State-ECU
App State-Charlotte
App State-Marshall

Cincinnati-Louisville
Memphis-Louisville

La. Tech-ULM (I'm trolling here because LT fans lose their minds at the suggestion of being in a league with ULM, or with Louisiana, for that matter.)

UNCG-UNCW-UNCA-Western Carolina
College of Charleston-The Citadel

Houston-Rice

Syracuse-Penn State-Pitt-WVU

Many others

CofC shouldn't be in the same conference as the Citadel as long as CofC doesn't play football. As it was, they were an outlier in SoCon because of it. The CAA makes sense for a basketball first school. I would, however, advocate moving Charleston Southern to SoCon.

Penn State - Maryland - Pitt - West Virginia - Temple - Rutgers
Notre Dame - Navy - Boston College - Army - Syracuse
Florida State & Georgia Tech should be in the SEC
ECU & South Carolina should in the ACC
Houston, Rice, SMU Big 12
List goes on

(06-07-2020 06:57 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Penn State - Maryland - Pitt - West Virginia - Temple - Rutgers
Notre Dame - Navy - Boston College - Army - Syracuse
Florida State & Georgia Tech should be in the SEC
ECU & South Carolina should in the ACC
Houston, Rice, SMU Big 12
List goes on

(06-06-2020 07:44 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Off the top of my head:
Virginia Tech - WVU
Pitt - WVU
Pitt - Penn State
WVU - Maryland
In basketball Maryland should play - UVA UNC Duke and NCSU every year
Back to football :
Texas - Texas A&M
Missouri - Kansas
Nebraska - Oklahoma
Oklahoma - Texas A&M
Oklahoma State - Texas A&M
Arkansas - Texas
Iowa - Iowa State
UTAH - BYU
Colorado - Colorado State
Air Force - Navy - Army

These arent rivalry games that MUST happen as annual in conference games at all.

The whole “Texas vs Oklahoma” thing is UT vs OU and (to a much lesser extent) TT vs OSU thing. For us these were just mandatory games and nothing more.

Neither of those schools care about playing A&M and the reverse is true of us too. Before the B12 we played southern teams OOC like LSU. Virtually no history with any Big 8 school prior to the merger.

case in point: We played OSU twice last year in football and basketball through random circumstance and nobody in College Station cared any more than if it has been Oregon State that we drew.

(06-05-2020 07:23 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Give me a division of WVU, Pitt, VT, Lousiville, Cincy and Memphis. Lotta hate in that division.

Match it with a division in the east of PSU, Rutgers, Maryland, BC, Cuse and Temple.

That would be a fun division, no doubt. VT would probably like a little more Southern flavor, but this is your dream division, so naturally your team is near the center of it.

(06-07-2020 11:35 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:23 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Give me a division of WVU, Pitt, VT, Lousiville, Cincy and Memphis. Lotta hate in that division.

Match it with a division in the east of PSU, Rutgers, Maryland, BC, Cuse and Temple.

That would be a fun division, no doubt. VT would probably like a little more Southern flavor, but this is your dream division, so naturally your team is near the center of it.

Virginia Tech should be in the Atlantic; it would be a much better division than that.

(06-05-2020 10:31 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:15 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:12 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  In terms of proximity, the two pairs of closest FBS schools to each other are not in the same conference.

Houston and Rice are #1 - about 4 miles from each other.

Can you name #2? They're about 5 or 6 miles from each other - and again are in difference conferences.

Not looking it up, but would guess the Wolverines and Hurons.

Idaho and Washington State?

Georgia Tech and Georgia State University are now the closest FBS schools.

They're only 3.0 miles apart.

Old dominion and navy.if they played in norfolk they would need an aircraft carrier to hold all the people who want to go.remember old dominion is in norfolk,va.enough said