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RE: Brightest Future: Five Years From Now
(06-03-2020 06:10 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  App's not being mentioned much as having a bright future. Interesting.

The vibe I get from most of the responses are programs who many predict are on the way up. Highly doubt App is going to improve after what was accomplished this past year. Not saying we're going to drop off or anything, just need the perfect storm to go undefeated with two P5 wins plus maybe a little luck. Key for App is keeping this consistency with the transition.
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RE: Brightest Future: Five Years From Now
Overall, I think the future is pretty bright for the league. I mean, you can point to just about every school and say, "There's no reason they can't win the league in the next five years." No one is in the absolute doldrums.

Of course, not everyone can have a winning conference record, but with across-the-board continued improvement, more teams can go overall .500 or better. Instead of just edging out the MAC and C-USA, the league can start to dominate them by beating them consistently in non conference play. The league can start chomping at the heels of the MW, and maybe even eventually the AAC. And more teams can start scoring victories over P5's, resetting the league record 4 P5 wins the conference just achieved last year.

I'm all for overall improvement in the Sun Belt. There is still plenty of room for growth, but I'm excited about how the league is progressing.

Side note: It's amazing that the league lost FIVE members in the early/mid 2010's, yet it's post-realignment that league records are being set for wins over P5's, Top 25 finishes, number of teams winning 10 games, number of teams winning 11 games, etc.
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(06-03-2020 06:10 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  App's not being mentioned much as having a bright future. Interesting.

Not sure about your coach. Same as with us. Every time a coach left it was like everyone doubted we could still win. We were fortunate. Even though a lot of us are a bit tired of some of the losses we have had with Anderson a lot of schools would happy with his numbers.
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(06-03-2020 03:14 PM)slycat Wrote:  You will know when ULL is good again because their fans will rival App St and GS for annoying 03-wink

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I think this year tells us a lot about stAte and App. I don't see any fall off for Louisiana. I think Georgia State and Texas State have the most up side possibilities. I'd put South in that group but they have fooled me too many times when I thought they were about to break out. Unfortunately, I think stAte regresses. I don't have a lot of faith in our current coaches ability to beat good teams and the teams in conference are getting better.
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(06-04-2020 07:06 AM)debragga Wrote:  
(06-03-2020 03:14 PM)slycat Wrote:  You will know when ULL is good again because their fans will rival App St and GS for annoying 03-wink

^^^

This is true. We are probably the most even keeled fan base on here. You know "act like you have been here before".04-rock04-rock03-lmfao
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(06-04-2020 07:30 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 07:06 AM)debragga Wrote:  
(06-03-2020 03:14 PM)slycat Wrote:  You will know when ULL is good again because their fans will rival App St and GS for annoying 03-wink

^^^

This is true. We are probably the most even keeled fan base on here. You know "act like you have been here before".04-rock04-rock03-lmfao

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(06-03-2020 08:28 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I don’t blame people for not putting App in the list. Hard to imagine a season even better than last honestly, it was surreal finishing in the top 20.

I’d love to see surprised and beat that.

That's one reason I didn't put App State. They've reached high in their potential already in football. Only way to beat that is to literally go 13-0 and make it to a NY6. I also don't foresee them falling off the map in the next 5 years.
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(06-03-2020 09:29 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Side note: It's amazing that the league lost FIVE members in the early/mid 2010's, yet it's post-realignment that league records are being set for wins over P5's, Top 25 finishes, number of teams winning 10 games, number of teams winning 11 games, etc.

That's because, as weird as that realignment was, CUSA took the programs that weren't perennial powers.

I remember after it was announced in order that FIU, UNT, FAU, and MT were leaving.... I was like "Wow... they left the three best programs Arkansas State, Troy, and Louisiana."

And then Benson announced that Appalachian State and Georgia Southern had agreed to join, and I was like "Holy crap... this conference is going to finally be solid and have programs with tradition and are dedicated to having great football."

I would argue that CUSA's 2012/2013 realignment moves were some of the worst in college football history, brand-wise and economically.
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RE: Brightest Future: Five Years From Now
(06-04-2020 11:28 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-03-2020 09:29 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Side note: It's amazing that the league lost FIVE members in the early/mid 2010's, yet it's post-realignment that league records are being set for wins over P5's, Top 25 finishes, number of teams winning 10 games, number of teams winning 11 games, etc.

That's because, as weird as that realignment was, CUSA took the programs that weren't perennial powers.

I remember after it was announced in order that FIU, UNT, FAU, and MT were leaving.... I was like "Wow... they left the three best programs Arkansas State, Troy, and Louisiana."

And then Benson announced that Appalachian State and Georgia Southern had agreed to join, and I was like "Holy crap... this conference is going to finally be solid and have programs with tradition and are dedicated to having great football."

I would argue that CUSA's 2012/2013 realignment moves were some of the worst in college football history, brand-wise and economically.

Well to be honest not many felt the same way at the time. The changes have been solid structural changes that put the Sun Belt in good shape relative to our peers going forward. If we hold on to what we have any changes on the other side of the street bring opportunity and leverage to improve our situations. Slow but steady and hope for a little more good luck. We've moved the needle at the right time. Didn't seem possible just a short time ago.
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I don't have any confidence in Louisiana 5 years from now. I just don't see how they hang on to Billy Napier that long and that generates a lot of questions on what happens after. If they can hang onto him, look out.

Georgia State could be a league contender in 2025. They should continue to build slowly under Shawn Elliott and 5 years from now could be very very dangerous. I don't see him going anywhere anytime soon (which is a good thing for GSU).

App State -- I just don't know. Recruiting looks great but with a new coach, who knows.
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(06-04-2020 12:05 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  I don't have any confidence in Louisiana 5 years from now. I just don't see how they hang on to Billy Napier that long and that generates a lot of questions on what happens after. If they can hang onto him, look out.

Georgia State could be a league contender in 2025. They should continue to build slowly under Shawn Elliott and 5 years from now could be very very dangerous. I don't see him going anywhere anytime soon (which is a good thing for GSU).

App State -- I just don't know. Recruiting looks great but with a new coach, who knows.

I agree we probably won't hang on to Billy Napier with continued success. What we have done is shown willingness to hire the highest paid head and assistant coaches and provide them an extensive support staff with facilities and let them to do their work. I think the greatly helps you with increasing the pool of folks who would be willing to apply in the future should an opening occur.
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(06-04-2020 12:33 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 12:05 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  I don't have any confidence in Louisiana 5 years from now. I just don't see how they hang on to Billy Napier that long and that generates a lot of questions on what happens after. If they can hang onto him, look out.

Georgia State could be a league contender in 2025. They should continue to build slowly under Shawn Elliott and 5 years from now could be very very dangerous. I don't see him going anywhere anytime soon (which is a good thing for GSU).

App State -- I just don't know. Recruiting looks great but with a new coach, who knows.

I agree we probably won't hang on to Billy Napier with continued success. What we have done is shown willingness to hire the highest paid head and assistant coaches and provide them an extensive support staff with facilities and let them to do their work. I think the greatly helps you with increasing the pool of folks who would be willing to apply in the future should an opening occur.

That was before the virus. Think you can spend that much afterward?
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I don't want to sound like I'm singling out any one school but to me the only school in this conference that I can't see building itself into a real contender is ULM and they may very well fool me.


In the east
App St is going to continue to demand competitive football 03-banghead
Georgia St is building a solid program 03-puke
Coastal is not there yet but I see no reason they can't become a football power 04-cheers
Troy isn't going anywhere and has the tradition and facilities to make it happen 01-ncaabbs
Georgia Southern is just like App and will not tolerate poor football 04-rock

In the west
USA is in a position to really take off with the right coaching staff 03-shhhh
Louisiana is the big dog now and yes if they loose Napier who knows but I know they have all the ingredients for sustained success 03-nutkick
ULM as I mentioned above has always done more with a LOT less so maybe they can keep that up 03-drunk
stAte has been a real monster up in Jonesboro and while they are not the cream of the conference today in five years they may be right back on top 04-bow
Texas St is maybe in the best college town I've ever seen. The facilities are top notch at the G5 level so all they really need is the right coach and they will take off I have no doubt 03-idea

What I see in the Sun Belt is a juggernaut being built. Yes we have programs that currently are not that good but we also have no reason not to expect most of those to improve. This league if we can keep it together five years from now may very well have passed the MW and be a real threat to be the best G5 league.
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I’d love to revisit those threads about your past success doesn’t translate to the FBS.

When you give two programs somewhat equal resources winners win.
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(06-04-2020 12:52 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 12:33 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 12:05 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  I don't have any confidence in Louisiana 5 years from now. I just don't see how they hang on to Billy Napier that long and that generates a lot of questions on what happens after. If they can hang onto him, look out.

Georgia State could be a league contender in 2025. They should continue to build slowly under Shawn Elliott and 5 years from now could be very very dangerous. I don't see him going anywhere anytime soon (which is a good thing for GSU).

App State -- I just don't know. Recruiting looks great but with a new coach, who knows.

I agree we probably won't hang on to Billy Napier with continued success. What we have done is shown willingness to hire the highest paid head and assistant coaches and provide them an extensive support staff with facilities and let them to do their work. I think the greatly helps you with increasing the pool of folks who would be willing to apply in the future should an opening occur.

That was before the virus. Think you can spend that much afterward?

Yep
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(06-04-2020 12:52 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 12:33 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 12:05 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  I don't have any confidence in Louisiana 5 years from now. I just don't see how they hang on to Billy Napier that long and that generates a lot of questions on what happens after. If they can hang onto him, look out.

Georgia State could be a league contender in 2025. They should continue to build slowly under Shawn Elliott and 5 years from now could be very very dangerous. I don't see him going anywhere anytime soon (which is a good thing for GSU).

App State -- I just don't know. Recruiting looks great but with a new coach, who knows.

I agree we probably won't hang on to Billy Napier with continued success. What we have done is shown willingness to hire the highest paid head and assistant coaches and provide them an extensive support staff with facilities and let them to do their work. I think the greatly helps you with increasing the pool of folks who would be willing to apply in the future should an opening occur.

That was before the virus. Think you can spend that much afterward?

While we do show a large portion of our athletic budget coming from direct institutional support, it is self generated funds. Mainly from on campus parking garages. To my knowledge, if the state limits or restricts the transfer of money for athletics from the university general fund it should not affect us very much, if at all.

The same can’t be said for the rest of the programs within the state.
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(06-04-2020 12:05 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  I don't have any confidence in Louisiana 5 years from now. I just don't see how they hang on to Billy Napier that long and that generates a lot of questions on what happens after. If they can hang onto him, look out.

Georgia State could be a league contender in 2025. They should continue to build slowly under Shawn Elliott and 5 years from now could be very very dangerous. I don't see him going anywhere anytime soon (which is a good thing for GSU).

App State -- I just don't know. Recruiting looks great but with a new coach, who knows.

Billy Napier, is proving whats possible for a young coach at Louisiana. you can get top level recruits in the home state to come there, and coaches will have the opportunity to go to a p5. coaches can even pick and choose which job you want instead of running at the first one offered. However, what will keep Louisiana moving forward in the next 5 years are the AD and President. Louisiana has never had those 2 positions be on the level those guys are, and be in lock step the way they are.
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Could ULL be the next SBC school to produce back to back P5 coaches? I'd think when Napier leaves, I predict after next year, he'll leave a pretty solid team for the next guy.

My history is limited, but Ark St. then App have done it perhaps others.
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(06-04-2020 04:21 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Could ULL be the next SBC school to produce back to back P5 coaches? I'd think when Napier leaves, I predict after next year, he'll leave a pretty solid team for the next guy.

My history is limited, but Ark St. then App have done it perhaps others.

I can't remember anyone losing a coach to P5 before we did.
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