(06-03-2020 03:49 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 02:41 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 02:13 PM)Ourland Wrote:  If there's no football season, several FBS programs won't survive. The first to come to mind are ULM, San Jose State, and Old Dominion.

You're funny.

I only say that because ODU seems to be pushing the hardest for "regionalization," and I don't fault you for it. I also get the feeling that you guys regret making the move up to FBS. I know ODU is very disappointed in the performance of it's teams over the past five years, as well as with CUSA itself. The money may be there, but the "will" may not.

Yeah we’re not going to give up home games with VT and ECU for the next decade just because we have to travel to UTSA and NT. Regionalization makes sense. If money is tight we’ll start scheduling body bag games like the rest of the conference.

(06-03-2020 09:53 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  That is crazy that Akron built a stadium for just 61mil a decade ago.

Its a lot smaller than most people build at 27,000 seats. In the 2015 season Akron had 6 home games VMI, Appy State, Miami OH, #24 Western Michigan, Toledo and Bowling Green. Those 6 games drew a whopping 55,019 for all 6 games, or 9169 fans per game, last in attendance in IA. I doubt its gotten any better since then.

Also the 61.8 million dollars also includes their endzone facility, which is probably 8-9 million. So the actual stadium was probably 53-54 million.

I'd say most at-risk is NMSU, as they don't have a Conference to help them out nor do they have religion money

(06-03-2020 11:58 PM)Curtzilla Wrote:  I'd say most at-risk is NMSU, as they don't have a Conference to help them out nor do they have religion money

My guess too. If one or two of their body bag games is canceled they’ll be in huge financial trouble.

(06-03-2020 07:11 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 05:00 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  If anyone does I'm going to guess ULM.

I think San Jose State, Eastern Michigan and Akron are in worse shape. Since 2013 to today 2020 Akron's enrollment has plummeted from 31,400 to under 18,000. They just eliminated 5 colleges and supposedly reorganized them under one umbrella, eliminating a few hundred jobs. Akron built InfoCision Stadium just 11 years ago at 61.8 million dollars and from what I understand is they still owe over 50 million dollars on it plus interest.

Since Akron moved to IA in 1987 they are 143-238 or an avg record of 4-7 yearly. Akron also just eliminated Men's Cross Country, Men's Golf and Women's Tennis. And are currently 1 under the min. limit of 16 sports to be IA, so technically the NCAA could reclassify them right now but I doubt that happens. They will probably get a 2-3 year waiver where one or more sports have to be added before any action will be done.

Akron is at 17 sports, they are not in a waiver situation. They will stick with the MAC, whether FBS or FCS. The MAC will likewise remain in lockstep with CUSA and Sunbelt.

(06-03-2020 11:50 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:53 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  That is crazy that Akron built a stadium for just 61mil a decade ago.

Its a lot smaller than most people build at 27,000 seats. In the 2015 season Akron had 6 home games VMI, Appy State, Miami OH, #24 Western Michigan, Toledo and Bowling Green. Those 6 games drew a whopping 55,019 for all 6 games, or 9169 fans per game, last in attendance in IA. I doubt its gotten any better since then.

Also the 61.8 million dollars also includes their endzone facility, which is probably 8-9 million. So the actual stadium was probably 53-54 million.

In other words, they built a G5 stadium and there was really no reason (nor the money) for them to build a P5 stadium.

(06-04-2020 08:48 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  In other words, they built a G5 stadium and there was really no reason (nor the money) for them to build a P5 stadium.

They actually built something they couldn't afford but then again the Rubber Bowl was actually falling apart. In the last 3 years they had sections of the stadium that was condemned. They still owe over 50 million dollars on InfoCision Stadium (Opened 2009) and 12 million on their IPF (Opened 2004). How in the world do they get money to keep building things when they owe somewhere in the neighborhood of 62-65 million dollars that have been on campus for 11 and 16 years and aren't even close to being paid off. At this rate it will be somewhere between 2055-2065 before they are actually paid off.

Im glad Marshall doesn't play this game. Its not sustainable and will soon catch up with them.

Akron has delusions of grandeur. The have had 8 winning seasons since they went 1-A in 1987. Every time they get a coach who has a couple of winning seasons they fire him.

to answer the question posed...I think there are plenty of HBCUs that will drop from FCS to D2
FAMU is going SWAC
NC A&T is off to Big South
Hampton left 2 years ago

three big players (big 2 $ in MEAC) leaving the MEAC
Norfolk State should go Big South leaving the rest of the MEAC probable demotion

(06-04-2020 08:45 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 07:11 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 05:00 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  If anyone does I'm going to guess ULM.

I think San Jose State, Eastern Michigan and Akron are in worse shape. Since 2013 to today 2020 Akron's enrollment has plummeted from 31,400 to under 18,000. They just eliminated 5 colleges and supposedly reorganized them under one umbrella, eliminating a few hundred jobs. Akron built InfoCision Stadium just 11 years ago at 61.8 million dollars and from what I understand is they still owe over 50 million dollars on it plus interest.

Since Akron moved to IA in 1987 they are 143-238 or an avg record of 4-7 yearly. Akron also just eliminated Men's Cross Country, Men's Golf and Women's Tennis. And are currently 1 under the min. limit of 16 sports to be IA, so technically the NCAA could reclassify them right now but I doubt that happens. They will probably get a 2-3 year waiver where one or more sports have to be added before any action will be done.

Akron is at 17 sports, they are not in a waiver situation. They will stick with the MAC, whether FBS or FCS. The MAC will likewise remain in lockstep with CUSA and Sunbelt.

Since this is an opinion thread, dealing with hypotheticals, the question might be asked: If Akron dropped out, would Marshall be interested in going back to the MAC, since there's no money in CUSA for them and at least they'd restore some regionalism to their situation? (I suppose one could ask the same question to ODU, that is, to the MAC to get out of CUSA and get closer to their region?) Understand, those two schools are two of the few East schools I don't mind as much playing against in CUSA, though I'd rather Rice get out of CUSA, but they seem hell-bent on going D-III or NAIA the way they've handled things the past several decades. Because of Rice's awkward location, their best scenario would be for the Big XII to breakup and to associate with the left-overs in a pseudo conference that, while still irrelevant, would be an improvement over the irrelevance of CUSA; but I'm sure many CUSA schools would also like that scenario over where they are now.

(06-04-2020 01:11 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  to answer the question posed...I think there are plenty of HBCUs that will drop from FCS to D2
FAMU is going SWAC
NC A&T is off to Big South
Hampton left 2 years ago

three big players (big 2 $ in MEAC) leaving the MEAC
Norfolk State should go Big South leaving the rest of the MEAC probable demotion

The MEAC is done. FL AM is expected to vote yes on a switch to the SWAC, and either SC State or Bethune Cookman are rumored to get the next invite.

I could see the Big South picking up Norfolk State and NC Central. Howard to the NEC maybe but that would be a big step down in scholarship limitations. Coppin State and UMES (University of Maryland Eastern Shore) to the American East with UMBC (University of Maryland Baltimore County) both Coppin State and UMES are in Maryland or to the MAAC. And that leaves Delaware State who should either drop to DII or just drop athletics altogether.

clt says Charlotte has its largest freshman class ever enrolling this fall

(06-05-2020 07:37 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says Charlotte has its largest freshman class ever enrolling this fall

We’re in a very fortunate situation with our university. Being located in Charlotte which is growing like crazy. Coupled with our mission being to serve the area means we should hopefully avoid a lot of the cuts other universities are seeing.

(06-09-2020 10:21 AM)Ninerfaithfull Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:37 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says Charlotte has its largest freshman class ever enrolling this fall

We’re in a very fortunate situation with our university. Being located in Charlotte which is growing like crazy. Coupled with our mission being to serve the area means we should hopefully avoid a lot of the cuts other universities are seeing.

And it means more co-eds!

I mean it will be a good thing, as we endeavor to offer more women the opportunity to play sports and be Title IX compliant. Yeah, that is what I mean.

clt says Charlotte is very well managed with money in the bank. Raise funds, then go build.

(06-09-2020 06:17 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says Charlotte is very well managed with money in the bank. Raise funds, then go build.

And you can talk with BOA about preferable financing when you all convert Bank of America Stadium to a Yacht Club.

(06-09-2020 08:44 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 06:17 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says Charlotte is very well managed with money in the bank. Raise funds, then go build.

And you can talk with BOA about preferable financing when you all convert Bank of America Stadium to a Yacht Club.

clt says we get the best rates

(06-04-2020 01:43 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 01:11 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  to answer the question posed...I think there are plenty of HBCUs that will drop from FCS to D2
FAMU is going SWAC
NC A&T is off to Big South
Hampton left 2 years ago

three big players (big 2 $ in MEAC) leaving the MEAC
Norfolk State should go Big South leaving the rest of the MEAC probable demotion

The MEAC is done. FL AM is expected to vote yes on a switch to the SWAC, and either SC State or Bethune Cookman are rumored to get the next invite.

I could see the Big South picking up Norfolk State and NC Central. Howard to the NEC maybe but that would be a big step down in scholarship limitations. Coppin State and UMES (University of Maryland Eastern Shore) to the American East with UMBC (University of Maryland Baltimore County) both Coppin State and UMES are in Maryland or to the MAAC. And that leaves Delaware State who should either drop to DII or just drop athletics altogether.

Bethune Cookman is very likely closing its doors as a university soon.

I could see some of the newer TX FBS schools maybe the entire MAC conference goes FCS, but then again MAC schools have survived with low attendance for decades.

(06-10-2020 05:20 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  I could see some of the newer TX FBS schools maybe the entire MAC conference goes FCS, but then again MAC schools have survived with low attendance for decades.

There are def some MAC programs that don't belong in IA. I would say Akron, Kent State, EMU and Ball State should drop down. Also Buffalo, CMU and Miami are teetering on needing to be IAA.

In Football
Akron 8 winning seasons since 1987 (Year they joined the MAC)
Kent State 4 winning seasons since 1987, 1 break even season
Ball State 8 winning seasons since 1987, 2 break even seasons
EMU 4 winning seasons since 1987, 1 break even season

Buffalo 5 winning seasons since 1999 (Year they moved from IAA to IA the MAC)
CMU 11 winning seasons since 1987
Miami 16 winning seasons since 1987

Seriously I thought Miami would have had more winning seasons but it looks like they got hot when Marshall entered the MAC in 1997.