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Ok so the way the real standing are going to go. If a season is even played.
1. Nmsu
2. Utrgv
3. GCU
4. CBU
5. Seattle
6. UVU
7. Tarleton
8. University of utah st.george state university
9. Chi state

I give us an advantage over Gcu because their home court advantage is out the window. No one is going to have fans in the stands this year. We've been playing in front of empty crowds forever. (In bane voice)We were born in it, molded by it. Cbu,Seattle, and Uvu literally have all new teams. Tarleton could sneak into the 5 spot only because of the home court advantages being void.
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(07-08-2020 10:56 PM)Vaqueronation Wrote:  Ok so the way the real standing are going to go. If a season is even played.
1. Nmsu
2. Utrgv
3. GCU
4. CBU
5. Seattle
6. UVU
7. Tarleton
8. University of utah st.george state university
9. Chi state

I give us an advantage over Gcu because their home court advantage is out the window. No one is going to have fans in the stands this year. We've been playing in front of empty crowds forever. (In bane voice)We were born in it, molded by it. Cbu,Seattle, and Uvu literally have all new teams. Tarleton could sneak into the 5 spot only because of the home court advantages being void.

Lol viva los vaqeuros 04-cheers
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(07-08-2020 11:06 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 10:56 PM)Vaqueronation Wrote:  Ok so the way the real standing are going to go. If a season is even played.
1. Nmsu
2. Utrgv
3. GCU
4. CBU
5. Seattle
6. UVU
7. Tarleton
8. University of utah st.george state university
9. Chi state

I give us an advantage over Gcu because their home court advantage is out the window. No one is going to have fans in the stands this year. We've been playing in front of empty crowds forever. (In bane voice)We were born in it, molded by it. Cbu,Seattle, and Uvu literally have all new teams. Tarleton could sneak into the 5 spot only because of the home court advantages being void.

Lol viva los vaqeuros 04-cheers

GCU has a home court advantage? Last two years both NMSU and UTRGV won at GCU arena so whatever
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Without fans, I think this season will be a test of a team's veteran leadership and superior sideline coaching. Those teams with instilled inner confidence will do better than those who use the fans as a boost for their confidence.

NMSU has the biggest home court advantage in the WAC and is also the least affected team by other's perceived home court advantage. It's called superior talent... playing on the court and coaching on the sidelines.
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1. New Mexico State - Jans has stockpiled talent on top of talent. As long as bad team chemistry doesn't derail this team's run for another championship, the Aggie freight train should blow through the WAC competition. GCU being the only obstruct in the way.

I still think NMSU will be the team to beat. But now knowing we will be without AJ Harris, I feel the margin between 1st and 2nd place has closed.

2. Grand Canyon - Drew will give the GCU roster the stability in coaching that Majerle's emotional style lacked. The Lopes will be vastly improved from last season. With McGlothan doing most of the low post dirty work, I expect a WAC POTY effort from Lever.

GCU got a major boost with the return of Oscar Frayer. GCU now has a starting line up comparable to NMSU. They only lack NMSU's depth and overall experience.

3. UT Rio Grande Valley - Hill has steadily built his roster adding more talent than he loses each season. They have size and athleticism. With Levi, they will be a steady veteran team.

Nothing has really changed with UTRGV. Their roster has been pretty stable leading up to this season. They will rely on Levi to the lead the way.

4. Seattle - I think the addition of the CCSF trio will fill many of the holes in Hayford's roster. Seattle will only go as far as its offense will take them.

Seattle U. has a lot of new faces. Many of them will dictate the performance of this team. The Redhawks really only lack a true low post presence.

5. California Baptist - If Milan Acquaah returns, they will go up in the rankings. At the moment Croy's team has a lot of size and potential but they have no proven scorers.

Well, Acquaah did not return. There are a lot of question marks with the Lancers. But Croy has some talent to work with.

6. Dixie State - Dixie State returns most of its starting line up. We will see if Judkins recruited enough talent leading into this transition year to finish this high.

Dixie State add big man Mikey Frazier. If the Trailblazer guard can adjust to the bigger, quicker, more athletic guard in the WAC, they might make a slight impact this season.

7. Tarleton State - With a big turnover in the Tarleton State's roster expected, the only reason I rank the Texans this high is because of BCG. Tarleton State needs more size.

BCG only saved three returning players from last season's squad. The Texans still lack size so they will play small ball this season. Tarleton State is undersized and young but they have talent. Might be a "tall" order to finish higher than 7th but I still feel BCG is a top three coach in the WAC.

8. Utah Valley - Madsen only returns two players from last season. He brought in some good players but has no leadership, no depth, and no established team chemistry.

To be honest, 8th place is too low for UVU. Even without returning a starter. They have good size and pretty good talent. The question mark is Madsen's coaching.

9. Chicago State - Chicago State should be more competitive this season but I'm not convinced Irvin can coach them out of the cellar.

Chicago State will be in the WAC cellar for the foreseeable future. Unless Irvin can sign some true Chicago talent, I don't see the Cougar's futures changing.

My new WAC standings...

1. New Mexico State
2. Grand Canyon
3. UT Rio Grande Valley
4. California Baptist
5. Seattle U.
6. Tarleton State
7. Utah Valley
8. Dixie State
9. Chicago State
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I continue to be impressed with the job Lew Hill is doing at UTRGV and wouldn't be surprised to see their climb continue up to that #2 spot. I think Drew will be a welcomed change of pace/voice for GCU, but I'm not expecting that his presence means the Lopes immediately return to being the WAC's perennial runner-up. I guess pessimist is never disappointed, right?
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I guess I have a higher opinion of GCU because I like the potential of Jovan Blacksher as your point guard. I see him as a Dwayne Russell type player in the making; a quick guard with skills and very hard to defend. I think Drew can build a strong program around Blacksher if they develop a good player-coach relationship. Really the Achilles Heel in GCU's program has been Alessandro Lever's soft post defense. Midtgaard should give Drew a defensive option. And, now GCU has Gabe McGlothan to do most of the defensive (and rebounding) dirty work. If Drew can mask Lever's defensive liabilities, GCU could be a handful offensively for many teams. I still like GCU for a second place finish. Even as elite as UTRGV's Javon Levi has been defensively, he hasn't proven to be much of a offensive juggernaut. I think NMSU and GCU have comparable PGs to UTRGV but both programs have too many offensive weapons for UTRGV to overcome.







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(09-15-2020 10:19 AM)gleadley Wrote:  I continue to be impressed with the job Lew Hill is doing at UTRGV and wouldn't be surprised to see their climb continue up to that #2 spot. I think Drew will be a welcomed change of pace/voice for GCU, but I'm not expecting that his presence means the Lopes immediately return to being the WAC's perennial runner-up. I guess pessimist is never disappointed, right?

Don't know about #2, seems like a stretch. Varner and Jackson, 31 ppg combined, have graduated. Also worried that we seem to pick up fewer outstanding freshmen compared to other WAC teams.
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Nice assessments and updates, Pistol. I have one comment. I don't see the loss of Harris as dropping NMSU down a notch. Adding Harris would have just been an embarrassment of riches. Harris and Gilyard are literally mirror images in every way. We went 16-0 with Shunn as our backup to Gilyard and we have significantly upgraded the backup PG position.
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(09-15-2020 01:57 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Nice assessments and updates, Pistol. I have one comment. I don't see the loss of Harris as dropping NMSU down a notch. Adding Harris would have just been an embarrassment of riches. Harris and Gilyard are literally mirror images in every way. We went 16-0 with Shunn as our backup to Gilyard and we have significantly upgraded the backup PG position.

I agree. I just felt with Gilyard and Harris, NMSU would not have any drop off in PG performance for 40 minutes. Both are/were high D1 starters... and if one had an off night, the other could pick up the slack. But admittedly, I do like what newcomers CJ Roberts and Kalen Williams bring to the table. I just hope one or both have Shunn's basketball IQ for the game. Buchanan gave very little in the form of offense. But he was a smart crafty back up PG. In the meantime, Evan Gilyard is undefeated as and Aggie... 19-0. We will see how long he can keep that streak alive.
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Gilyard is the engine that makes NMSU GO!


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(09-23-2020 02:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Gilyard is the engine that makes NMSU GO!

There was that Mississippi State game. It's undeniable that it was a major win and that Gilyard was a major factor.

However, what mainly happened after Gilyard became eligible was you went to conference play. IIRC, about half the NMSU fans here were predicting a 16-0 conference record even before Gilyard was a possibility.

He's good but I fear McCants and Rice much more.
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(09-23-2020 04:00 PM)edinburger Wrote:  
(09-23-2020 02:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Gilyard is the engine that makes NMSU GO!

There was that Mississippi State game. It's undeniable that it was a major win and that Gilyard was a major factor.

However, what mainly happened after Gilyard became eligible was you went to conference play. IIRC, about half the NMSU fans here were predicting a 16-0 conference record even before Gilyard was a possibility.

He's good but I fear McCants and Rice much more.

Excellent points. But we were predicting 16-0 with a healthy Harris, Henry, Ivan and Brown (4 starters). Harris played 2 1/2 games, Henry played 1 game. Ivan and Brown were hobbled for the first few weeks of the season encompassing all of our rivalry games and a good chunk of the OOC schedule.

Ivan and Brown eventually came around during the 19-0 run, Rice elevated his game to compensate for the loss of Henry and Gilyard took the place of Harris. In my humble opinion, Gilyard was the most important piece. Jans has touted the importance of the PG position in his system and Buchanan just was not getting it done.
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(09-23-2020 04:19 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(09-23-2020 04:00 PM)edinburger Wrote:  
(09-23-2020 02:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Gilyard is the engine that makes NMSU GO!

There was that Mississippi State game. It's undeniable that it was a major win and that Gilyard was a major factor.

However, what mainly happened after Gilyard became eligible was you went to conference play. IIRC, about half the NMSU fans here were predicting a 16-0 conference record even before Gilyard was a possibility.

He's good but I fear McCants and Rice much more.

Excellent points. But we were predicting 16-0 with a healthy Harris, Henry, Ivan and Brown (4 starters). Harris played 2 1/2 games, Henry played 1 game and Ivan and Brown were hobbled for the first few weeks of the season encompassing all of our rivalry games and a good chunk of the OOC schedule.

Ivan and Brown eventually came around during the 19-0 run, Rice elevated his game to compensate for the loss of Henry and Gilyard took the place of Harris. In my humble opinion, Gilyard was the most important piece. Jans has touted the importance of the PG position in his system and Buchanan just was not getting it done.

In the midst of all that Trev Queen also played major factor... and he had a minor knee surgery that caused him to miss five games during the conference season to boot. It's amazing that NMSU finished 16-0 in the WAC... Or, it spells how bad the WAC was last season.

Despite the loss of Queen, expect NMSU to be very strong at the wing... with the return of Clayton Henry. He is not quite as dynamic as Queen defensively but he was a better on-the-ball defender two season's ago. And, also the additions of Jason King and Marcus Watson. Both are athletes. Before Henry's preseason injury last season, Jans felt Henry was NMSU's most consistent three point shooter; which says a lot when you consider NMSU's perimeter games with Gilyard, Brown, Rice, Queen, McCants, Bobbitt and Harris (if he had played).
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(09-23-2020 04:31 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(09-23-2020 04:19 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(09-23-2020 04:00 PM)edinburger Wrote:  
(09-23-2020 02:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Gilyard is the engine that makes NMSU GO!

There was that Mississippi State game. It's undeniable that it was a major win and that Gilyard was a major factor.

However, what mainly happened after Gilyard became eligible was you went to conference play. IIRC, about half the NMSU fans here were predicting a 16-0 conference record even before Gilyard was a possibility.

He's good but I fear McCants and Rice much more.

Excellent points. But we were predicting 16-0 with a healthy Harris, Henry, Ivan and Brown (4 starters). Harris played 2 1/2 games, Henry played 1 game and Ivan and Brown were hobbled for the first few weeks of the season encompassing all of our rivalry games and a good chunk of the OOC schedule.

Ivan and Brown eventually came around during the 19-0 run, Rice elevated his game to compensate for the loss of Henry and Gilyard took the place of Harris. In my humble opinion, Gilyard was the most important piece. Jans has touted the importance of the PG position in his system and Buchanan just was not getting it done.

In the midst of all that Trev Queen also played major factor... and he had a minor knee surgery that caused him to miss five games during the conference season to boot. It's amazing that NMSU finished 16-0 in the WAC... Or, it spells how bad the WAC was last season.

Despite the loss of Queen, expect NMSU to be very strong at the wing... with the return of Clayton Henry. He is not quite as dynamic as Queen defensively but he was a better on-the-ball defender two season's ago. And, also the additions of Jason King and Marcus Watson. Both are athletes. Before Henry's preseason injury last season, Jans felt Henry was NMSU's most consistent three point shooter; which says a lot when you consider NMSU's perimeter games with Gilyard, Brown, Rice, Queen, McCants, Bobbitt and Harris (if he had played).

What is your context for stating Queen played a "major factor"? That he held the team together through the adversity? That he was injured and the team had to rally without him? Queen was our best player and he carried us offensively early in the season. But we were not winning. It was not until Gilyard was eligible that we took off.

What do you mean by Queen's "dynamic" defense? Comparing Queen defensively to Henry is interesting. Henry is our best defender. As you state, he is an excellent on the ball defender. He is also an excellent help defender. And Jans has stated several times that Henry can guard the 1-4. Queen was an adequate defender but not a defensive stopper. Nor could he guard 4 positions. He occasionally got a highlight reel steal or block (dynamic?), but defense is not made on highlights. I would not compare Henry's defense to Queen (Henry is much better) nor would I compare their offensive games (Queen's is much better).
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(09-24-2020 08:54 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(09-23-2020 04:31 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(09-23-2020 04:19 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
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(09-23-2020 02:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Gilyard is the engine that makes NMSU GO!

There was that Mississippi State game. It's undeniable that it was a major win and that Gilyard was a major factor.

However, what mainly happened after Gilyard became eligible was you went to conference play. IIRC, about half the NMSU fans here were predicting a 16-0 conference record even before Gilyard was a possibility.

He's good but I fear McCants and Rice much more.

Excellent points. But we were predicting 16-0 with a healthy Harris, Henry, Ivan and Brown (4 starters). Harris played 2 1/2 games, Henry played 1 game and Ivan and Brown were hobbled for the first few weeks of the season encompassing all of our rivalry games and a good chunk of the OOC schedule.

Ivan and Brown eventually came around during the 19-0 run, Rice elevated his game to compensate for the loss of Henry and Gilyard took the place of Harris. In my humble opinion, Gilyard was the most important piece. Jans has touted the importance of the PG position in his system and Buchanan just was not getting it done.

In the midst of all that Trev Queen also played major factor... and he had a minor knee surgery that caused him to miss five games during the conference season to boot. It's amazing that NMSU finished 16-0 in the WAC... Or, it spells how bad the WAC was last season.

Despite the loss of Queen, expect NMSU to be very strong at the wing... with the return of Clayton Henry. He is not quite as dynamic as Queen defensively but he was a better on-the-ball defender two season's ago. And, also the additions of Jason King and Marcus Watson. Both are athletes. Before Henry's preseason injury last season, Jans felt Henry was NMSU's most consistent three point shooter; which says a lot when you consider NMSU's perimeter games with Gilyard, Brown, Rice, Queen, McCants, Bobbitt and Harris (if he had played).

What is your context for stating Queen played a "major factor"? That he held the team together through the adversity? That he was injured and the team had to rally without him? Queen was our best player and he carried us offensively early in the season. But we were not winning. It was not until Gilyard was eligible that we took off.

What do you mean by Queen's "dynamic" defense? Comparing Queen defensively to Henry is interesting. Henry is our best defender. As you state, he is an excellent on the ball defender. He is also an excellent help defender. And Jans has stated several times that Henry can guard the 1-4. Queen was an adequate defender but not a defensive stopper. Nor could he guard 4 positions. He occasionally got a highlight reel steal or block (dynamic?), but defense is not made on highlights. I would not compare Henry's defense to Queen (Henry is much better) nor would I compare their offensive games (Queen's is much better).

By dynamic I mean... Queen tended to gamble on steals; sometimes for breakaway dunks. And, Queen was athletic enough that he could get caught out of defensive position but still recover just enough to get a trailing block or deflection. Henry is not as flashy athletically but he is much more technically sound defensively. As a junior, Henry was our best "big" guard defender and usually drew the toughest defensive assignment.

With regards to major factor, Queen was our most versatile offensive player. He led the team in scoring for a good part of last season; before his injury. And, despite Queen's injury, NMSU still had enough weapons to pick up the slack. But obviously Gilyard was the greatest impact on the team last season. In Jans system, the point guard is the most important player regardless of individual offensive output. Gilyard is expected to orchestrate the game on Jans behalf; much like Harris did the year prior.
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(09-23-2020 04:00 PM)edinburger Wrote:  
(09-23-2020 02:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Gilyard is the engine that makes NMSU GO!

There was that Mississippi State game. It's undeniable that it was a major win and that Gilyard was a major factor.

However, what mainly happened after Gilyard became eligible was you went to conference play. IIRC, about half the NMSU fans here were predicting a 16-0 conference record even before Gilyard was a possibility.

He's good but I fear McCants and Rice much more.




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1. NMSU

Everyone else battling for 2-8.
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I really like the versatility of this season's Aggie roster.

However, admittedly, I wish NMSU had more size/muscle in the post; considering the center's heights on the other WAC teams. But Jans has already stated he prefers more mobile, slightly undersized, post players (rather than slower, taller, big man); in order to execute his style of play. So 6'9, maybe 6'10, will be about as tall as NMSU will ever be under Jans. Based on the make up of this roster, 6'7 Johnny McCants will probably start at center this season.

Tennessee Owens... 5'10... 165... SR
Evan Gilyard... 5'10... 170... SR
Bryce Rewalt... 5'11... 165... GR
C.J. Roberts... 6'1... 190... JR
Kalen Williams... 6'2... 170... SO
Jabari Rice... 6'4... 180... JR
Darreus Brown... 6'4... 180... JR
Clayton Henry... 6'4... 200... SR
Jason King... 6'4... 200... JR
Marcus Watson... 6'6... 215... FR... eligible mid-December
Rashaun Agee... 6'7... 210... FR
Donnie Tillman... 6'7... 225... GR
Johnny McCants... 6'7... 235... SR
Wilfried Likayi... 6'9... 210... JR
Mayan Kiir... 6'9... 220... JR... eligible mid-December
William McNair... 6'10... 265... SO

The other WAC centers...

Russell Barlow... 6'10, 235, JR... Cal Baptist - TCU Transfer
Gorjok Gak... 6'11, 245, JR... Cal Baptist - Florida Transfer
Isaiah Simpson... 6'9, 240, JR... Chicago State - JC Transfer
Solomon Hunt... 6'9, 272, SR... Chicago State
Lou Demuth... 7'0, 235, FR... Chicago State
Jarod Greene... 6'8, 235, SR... Dixie State
Mikey Frazier... 6'10, 250, SO... Dixie State - JC Transfer
Alessandro Lever... 6'10, 235, SR... Grand Canyon
Asbjorn Midtgaard... 7'0, 270, SR... Grand Canyon - Wichita State Transfer
Sean Rhea... 6'8, 230, JR... UT Rio Grande Valley
Jeffery Otchere... 6'11,240, GR... UT Rio Grande Valley - Stony Brook Transfer
Evan Cole... 6'10, 230, GR... Utah Valley - Georgia Tech Transfer
Fardaws Aimaq... 6'11, 245, SO... Utah Valley - Mercer Transfer

Neither Seattle nor Tarleton State have a "true" center on its roster. I expect both schools to play uptempo basketball.
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