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RE: Response to the killing of George Floyd
(Yesterday 09:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I should have bet OO 500 bucks on my call that you would say 'its nuanced'.

I wouldn't have taken that bet. I play the odds.
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RE: Response to the killing of George Floyd
(Yesterday 10:04 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  This one got a chuckle:



Does Nike still use child labor in 2020? Wasn't that a scandal like 25 years ago?
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RE: Response to the killing of George Floyd
(Yesterday 09:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:23 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  lad seems to be putting the cart before the horse again tonite (logically speaking).

I guess when 200 people tear down a statue that is the de facto feeling of the majority of the 120,000 people in a community. Interesting 'after the fact logic' there.

Do you see the problem in that analysis and that statement, lad?

I guess one can justify *any* act of civil unrest, or for that matter *any* crime on the unfelt needs of the mjority of the community.

I guess a majority of the community simply didnt like portions of their city, and that is why 500 million dollars in bunring/looting damage was incurred. This list could get really fun before too long....

That is the main problem with ex post facto leaps of logical faith.

It’s really difficult to have a discussion here when you feel the need to assign value to every statement.

I am not justifying any actions - as I said,

Please note where I say it is a 'justification'. I fully support you are noting 'why' you think it is happening.

I think it is a pile of sludge.

I think it is 200 asshats substituting *their* positions for that of a majority of the populace. But you say not.

Good. Have fun with that 'statement of fact'.

Quote:I’m also not saying that my analysis is 100% correct for every act of a mob. Sometimes it will right and sometimes it won’t.

I WIN!!!! FKING A, I should have bet OO 500 bucks on my call that you would say 'its nuanced'. Holy moley, thanks there lad.

Quote:You seem to have a very hard time when situations aren’t black or white, and you love to try categorize posts in such a way so you can squawk about them and flap your arms.

At least I dont have to say 'Its nuanced' like you seemingly do at every other turn.

You uncategorically state that the removals are 'because the legislatures havent acted fas enough.'

You seemingly dont fing consider that, perhaps, some of those governing jurisictions dont want the statues removed. I call that pre-blinders there lad. But, that is your issue, lad, not mine. Please keep doing that.

Quote:If we want to talk about support, I’ve seen multiple polls showing that the majority of people do support the removal of these statues. I’ve even had at least one other poster tell me there isn’t really a disagreement about removing them.

Glad to know one poster here is a scientific data point. That ranks right up there with your onesy tweet about Trumpists. Lolz.

Quote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com...aces%3Famp

I am sure the populace of Maine wants the eebul southern bumfks removed. Funny, perhaps the populace of, say the local county in Arkansas *doesnt* want the edifice of the *their* local son and hero removed.

But please keep pointing to the such national polls as proof positive of every local issue. And you wonder why we call you a collectivist and socialist? I guess for you a national consensus on an issue is and should be dispositive of any local action? Or do you not really give a flying fk about any local issues except to the degree that they comport with such 'national consensus'?

I live my life in a manner I know an average Californian would hate. I know that from first hand knowledge. And I would readily suggest a vice versa is strong as hell.

But seemingly a 'national poll' is the yardstick on how we should deal with all issues in ladistan? That sounds like all sorts of fking fun and sunshine..... have fun when you get to that standard.

So we’re back to this being a local issue?

I asked about that earlier and Owl#s said that I was completely off base.

Honestly, there are so many wires crossed and assumptions being jumped to, that we have a rather rambling screed about California and Maine and you and OO jerking each other off.

My personal opinion on the removal of these monuments is that they should be removed. I don’t support people removing them by force. And I apparently shouldn’t even think out loud about why some people have forcefully removed them, because you’re gonna flip out about it.

I think either locally elected officials, organization representatives, or ballot initiatives should be used to decide how to handle these statues and monuments. If that leads to some being left up, so be it. I completely disagree with that decision, but **** it.

I posted a poll I found to point out that a majority of citizens in the US support removing these statues, which is a change from 2017. I’m sure there are pockets of the country where that isn’t the case, but **** me, apparently I need to write a Tanq-esque screed whenever I post, or you’ll just twirl **** in the air.
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RE: Response to the killing of George Floyd
(Yesterday 08:32 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  lad seems to be putting the cart before the horse again tonite (logically speaking).

I guess when 200 people tear down a statue that is the de facto feeling of the majority of the 120,000 people in a community. Interesting 'after the fact logic' there.

Do you see the problem in that analysis and that statement, lad?

I guess one can justify *any* act of civil unrest, or for that matter *any* crime on the unfelt needs of the mjority of the community.

I guess a majority of the community simply didnt like portions of their city, and that is why 500 million dollars in bunring/looting damage was incurred. This list could get really fun before too long....

That is the main problem with ex post facto leaps of logical faith.

first they tell us the rioters are less than 1% of the left, and then they tell us they represent the will of the majority of the citizenry.

As Ham says, you‘re not this dumb... I don’t think...

There are clearly two populations within the people who protested and support the removal of confederate statues. Those who support the cause and show the support peacefully, and those who support the cause and don’t so peaceful.

Your comment tries to suggest that the rioters and those who support removing the statues are the same populations, but they aren’t. Do you actually think that everyone who supports removing Confederate statues would either riot in the street or be directly involved in pulling down a statue without permission from the local government?
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RE: Response to the killing of George Floyd
(Yesterday 10:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:32 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  lad seems to be putting the cart before the horse again tonite (logically speaking).

I guess when 200 people tear down a statue that is the de facto feeling of the majority of the 120,000 people in a community. Interesting 'after the fact logic' there.

Do you see the problem in that analysis and that statement, lad?

I guess one can justify *any* act of civil unrest, or for that matter *any* crime on the unfelt needs of the mjority of the community.

I guess a majority of the community simply didnt like portions of their city, and that is why 500 million dollars in bunring/looting damage was incurred. This list could get really fun before too long....

That is the main problem with ex post facto leaps of logical faith.

first they tell us the rioters are less than 1% of the left, and then they tell us they represent the will of the majority of the citizenry.

As Ham says, you‘re not this dumb... I don’t think...

There are clearly two populations within the people who protested and support the removal of confederate statues. Those who support the cause and show the support peacefully, and those who support the cause and don’t so peaceful.

Your comment tries to suggest that the rioters and those who support removing the statues are the same populations, but they aren’t. Do you actually think that everyone who supports removing Confederate statues would either riot in the street or be directly involved in pulling down a statue without permission from the local government?

I'm sorry that one of us is math challenged, and the other is logic challenged.

I will speak more plainly for the latter crowd.

When you guys want to minimize something, it is a tiny minority. when you want to maximize it, it becomes we are all in agreement. Whatever number serves your purpose.

I think a lot of people would not give a second thought to those statues, except a tiny minority has made a mountain out of a molehill. But if you guys are right, and think the majority of voters support the removal of the statues, then stand for what's right and call for an election or democratic due process, instead of making excuses about the righteousness of the cause and the slowness of the process.

I wonder what goes after the statues? The books? Tom Sawyer, or Gone with the Wind? Paintings? Songs? All the Stephen Foster songs? the Bible? The movies are already pretty much gone.

I think the statue removers could not win most elections, so what happens then? Do they say, well we made our case but the good citizens of Twain County rejected, let's go home now?

About the fifth time I have asked this question of you.

If there is an election, and the voters vote to keep the statues, then what? has the issue been addressed to the satisfaction of the losing side? Or then do we go the route of protesting the election? Or straight to mobs with paint and ropes. To paraphrase the question the Dems were asking just before the 2016 election, will the result be honored?



You can keep dodging. i will keep asking.

From what you and 93 have said so far, I think the left would ignore the election on the grounds they know better than that bunch of deplorables and just go straight to the mob. It's your way or the highway.
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RE: Response to the killing of George Floyd
(Yesterday 10:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:32 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  lad seems to be putting the cart before the horse again tonite (logically speaking).

I guess when 200 people tear down a statue that is the de facto feeling of the majority of the 120,000 people in a community. Interesting 'after the fact logic' there.

Do you see the problem in that analysis and that statement, lad?

I guess one can justify *any* act of civil unrest, or for that matter *any* crime on the unfelt needs of the mjority of the community.

I guess a majority of the community simply didnt like portions of their city, and that is why 500 million dollars in bunring/looting damage was incurred. This list could get really fun before too long....

That is the main problem with ex post facto leaps of logical faith.

first they tell us the rioters are less than 1% of the left, and then they tell us they represent the will of the majority of the citizenry.

As Ham says, you‘re not this dumb... I don’t think...

There are clearly two populations within the people who protested and support the removal of confederate statues. Those who support the cause and show the support peacefully, and those who support the cause and don’t so peaceful.

Your comment tries to suggest that the rioters and those who support removing the statues are the same populations, but they aren’t. Do you actually think that everyone who supports removing Confederate statues would either riot in the street or be directly involved in pulling down a statue without permission from the local government?

I'm in the crowd that would love to see the Confederate (aka losers) statues removed immediately from all public spaces, preferably peacefully and safely. They should have never been erected, and we should have pulled them all down many years ago.
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RE: Response to the killing of George Floyd
(Yesterday 11:45 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:32 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  lad seems to be putting the cart before the horse again tonite (logically speaking).

I guess when 200 people tear down a statue that is the de facto feeling of the majority of the 120,000 people in a community. Interesting 'after the fact logic' there.

Do you see the problem in that analysis and that statement, lad?

I guess one can justify *any* act of civil unrest, or for that matter *any* crime on the unfelt needs of the mjority of the community.

I guess a majority of the community simply didnt like portions of their city, and that is why 500 million dollars in bunring/looting damage was incurred. This list could get really fun before too long....

That is the main problem with ex post facto leaps of logical faith.

first they tell us the rioters are less than 1% of the left, and then they tell us they represent the will of the majority of the citizenry.

As Ham says, you‘re not this dumb... I don’t think...

There are clearly two populations within the people who protested and support the removal of confederate statues. Those who support the cause and show the support peacefully, and those who support the cause and don’t so peaceful.

Your comment tries to suggest that the rioters and those who support removing the statues are the same populations, but they aren’t. Do you actually think that everyone who supports removing Confederate statues would either riot in the street or be directly involved in pulling down a statue without permission from the local government?

I'm sorry that one of us is math challenged, and the other is logic challenged.

I will speak more plainly for the latter crowd.

When you guys want to minimize something, it is a tiny minority. when you want to maximize it, it becomes we are all in agreement. Whatever number serves your purpose.

I think a lot of people would not give a second thought to those statues, except a tiny minority has made a mountain out of a molehill. But if you guys are right, and think the majority of voters support the removal of the statues, then stand for what's right and call for an election or democratic due process, instead of making excuses about the righteousness of the cause and the slowness of the process.

I wonder what goes after the statues? The books? Tom Sawyer, or Gone with the Wind? Paintings? Songs? All the Stephen Foster songs? the Bible? The movies are already pretty much gone.

I think the statue removers could not win most elections, so what happens then? Do they say, well we made our case but the good citizens of Twain County rejected, let's go home now?

About the fifth time I have asked this question of you.

If there is an election, and the voters vote to keep the statues, then what? has the issue been addressed to the satisfaction of the losing side? Or then do we go the route of protesting the election? Or straight to mobs with paint and ropes. To paraphrase the question the Dems were asking just before the 2016 election, will the result be honored?



You can keep dodging. i will keep asking.

From what you and 93 have said so far, I think the left would ignore the election on the grounds they know better than that bunch of deplorables and just go straight to the mob. It's your way or the highway.

I thought I made it clear with my answer to your question - I want people to follow the law. That logically means people need to continue to push for legal change if they want the statues removed and a hypothetical ballot initiative doesn’t pass on the first run.

I guess you were talking about yourself when you mentioned you were speaking to the logically challenged.
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RE: Response to the killing of George Floyd
(Yesterday 11:55 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:32 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  lad seems to be putting the cart before the horse again tonite (logically speaking).

I guess when 200 people tear down a statue that is the de facto feeling of the majority of the 120,000 people in a community. Interesting 'after the fact logic' there.

Do you see the problem in that analysis and that statement, lad?

I guess one can justify *any* act of civil unrest, or for that matter *any* crime on the unfelt needs of the mjority of the community.

I guess a majority of the community simply didnt like portions of their city, and that is why 500 million dollars in bunring/looting damage was incurred. This list could get really fun before too long....

That is the main problem with ex post facto leaps of logical faith.

first they tell us the rioters are less than 1% of the left, and then they tell us they represent the will of the majority of the citizenry.

As Ham says, you‘re not this dumb... I don’t think...

There are clearly two populations within the people who protested and support the removal of confederate statues. Those who support the cause and show the support peacefully, and those who support the cause and don’t so peaceful.

Your comment tries to suggest that the rioters and those who support removing the statues are the same populations, but they aren’t. Do you actually think that everyone who supports removing Confederate statues would either riot in the street or be directly involved in pulling down a statue without permission from the local government?

I'm in the crowd that would love to see the Confederate (aka losers) statues removed immediately from all public spaces, preferably peacefully and safely. They should have never been erected, and we should have pulled them all down many years ago.

Same here. And it’s why I posted the poll - there are a lot of people (exact % undetermined) that fall between taking to the streets and toppling these statues and supporting the removal of the statues. However, it seems like some posters on here can’t handle this sort spectrum of behavior.

Their logic is only able to handle two buckets - supporting tearing down statues by any means necessary, or opposing the removal of the statues.

On a similar angle, we’re now seeing people advocate for renaming military bases. Why are conservatives again the group that overwhelmingly opposes renaming military bases named after Confederate “heroes”?
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