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RE: Response to the killing of George Floyd
(07-01-2020 12:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I stopped giving a rat's ass about the Oscars almost a score years ago.

I don't think I ever started.
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(07-01-2020 02:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 12:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I stopped giving a rat's ass about the Oscars almost a score years ago.

I don't think I ever started.

I used to care, decades back, before the presenters and awardees started wagging their finger at me. Of course, back then I thought the awards were for the Best this or that, not the best this or that by a woman or a black.
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(07-01-2020 03:15 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 02:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 12:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I stopped giving a rat's ass about the Oscars almost a score years ago.

I don't think I ever started.

I used to care, decades back, before the presenters and awardees started wagging their finger at me. Of course, back then I thought the awards were for the Best this or that, not the best this or that by a woman or a black.

Actually if you take the article at face values, the award should be:
Best Movie that had over x% black production staff

Kind of a far cry and massive delimiter from...... Best Movie.
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Some of our citizens think they would like to live in a place effectively without police. Maybe they should try Guanajuato.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/gun...li=BBnbcA1
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(Yesterday 12:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Some of our citizens think they would like to live in a place effectively without police. Maybe they should try Guanajuato.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/gun...li=BBnbcA1

Or Las Vegas, or Orlando, or Blacksburg, or Newton, or Sutherland Springs, or El Paso, or :insert US city where a mass shooting took place:

Bad argument, OO. We still experience mass shootings in the US in cities where LEOs exist. That also doesn’t touch on the fact that the overwhelming opinion is not to completely get rid of LEOs, but rather make systemic changes through funding shifts or complete reorganization.
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(Yesterday 05:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Or Las Vegas, or Orlando, or Blacksburg, or Newton, or Sutherland Springs, or El Paso, or :insert US city where a mass shooting took place:

The numbers in any of those places are far lower as a percent of population than they are in lawless places with no or badly understaffed police.

Quote:Bad argument, OO. We still experience mass shootings in the US in cities where LEOs exist. That also doesn’t touch on the fact that the overwhelming opinion is not to completely get rid of LEOs, but rather make systemic changes through funding shifts or complete reorganization.

The overwhelming opinion seems to be, "let's not sell this as completely getting rid of LEOs, but rather make systematic changes," which will have the inevitable impact of eliminating effective police forces. The problem I have is that at this point, I've been lied to enough that I simply don't trust those "overwhelming opinions" to be the truth. They say they want to reorganize and shift funding; what they really want to do is to eliminate any effective law enforcement.
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(Yesterday 06:10 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 05:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Or Las Vegas, or Orlando, or Blacksburg, or Newton, or Sutherland Springs, or El Paso, or :insert US city where a mass shooting took place:

The numbers in any of those places are far lower as a percent of population than they are in lawless places with no or badly understaffed police.

Quote:Bad argument, OO. We still experience mass shootings in the US in cities where LEOs exist. That also doesn’t touch on the fact that the overwhelming opinion is not to completely get rid of LEOs, but rather make systemic changes through funding shifts or complete reorganization.

The overwhelming opinion seems to be, "let's not sell this as completely getting rid of LEOs, but rather make systematic changes," which will have the inevitable impact of eliminating effective police forces. The problem I have is that at this point, I've been lied to enough that I simply don't trust those "overwhelming opinions" to be the truth. They say they want to reorganize and shift funding; what they really want to do is to eliminate any effective law enforcement.

Good to know you’ve got the inside scoop.
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(Yesterday 06:45 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Good to know you’ve got the inside scoop.

Not so much inside scoop as absolute, total distrust.
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(Yesterday 06:10 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  They say they want to reorganize and shift funding; what they really want to do is to eliminate any effective law enforcement.


"Eliminate" is a bit harsh; they just want to make law enforcement as effective, cost-efficient, and non-political as public education. :)

But the contrast in approaches in interesting. In the case of law enforcement, the call is to reduce funding to existing agencies, to increase scrutiny of unionized workers, and to experiment with new forms.

When it comes to another government industry that has failed scores of millions of poor and minorities for generations, the perpetual "solution" (really an article of faith) is exactly the opposite: to always increase funding for existing agencies, to resist scrutiny of unionized workers, and to viciously oppose experimentation with new forms.
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(Yesterday 05:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Some of our citizens think they would like to live in a place effectively without police. Maybe they should try Guanajuato.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/gun...li=BBnbcA1

Or Las Vegas, or Orlando, or Blacksburg, or Newton, or Sutherland Springs, or El Paso, or :insert US city where a mass shooting took place:

Bad argument, OO. We still experience mass shootings in the US in cities where LEOs exist. That also doesn’t touch on the fact that the overwhelming opinion is not to completely get rid of LEOs, but rather make systemic changes through funding shifts or complete reorganization.

You seem to be confusing random acts by random individuals with organized crime being in control of the city and dictating to police where and how they respond.

Eliminate the police in Las Vegas, or Orlando, or Blackberg, etc, and all you will do is open the city up to control by organized crime, as in Mexico.

"The state of Guanajuato, home to major industry and a number of large auto manufacturing plants, is plagued by organized crime violence."

In short, lad, apples to oranges.
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removal of Mt. Rushmore

So who supports this? I am only asking the liberals.
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