(06-01-2020 10:44 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (06-01-2020 10:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: (06-01-2020 10:05 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (06-01-2020 08:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: (06-01-2020 08:51 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: Is there a limit to what is deemed a presidential threat? That seems like a recipe for disaster, having an arm of law enforcement that can use the full force of the law based on a whim.
Sounds like you’re pretty well informed on this issue and there wasn’t a drop of a 1st Amendment violation. Like I said, just saw a bunch of talking on Twitter and haven’t seen much detail.
What is deemed a Presidential threat is a pretty low threshold. Having a mob in the street at the front probably crosses even the most jaded threshold.
If there was a simple peaceful assembly with no history of attacks that werent blocking the street and were in Lafayette Park -- yeah, there might be a 1st Amendment issue.
A mob illegally in the street bounding Lafayette? My guess is no issue in clearing them for 1st Amendment issues.
A mob where in the previous 3 nights 40 or so Secret Service agents had already been injured? My guess is no issue in clearing them for 1st Amendment issues.
The combination of the history and of the illegal presence in the street? That is kind of a no-brainer for for 1st Amendment issues.
If there were 50 people chanting *in* Lafayette Park, with no movement to the street en masse, no illegal occupying of the public thoroughfare, and no immediate history of violence -- yeah there might be a 1st Amendment issue. But none of those factors is there.
I guess press shouldn’t be there either?
Video of an Australian news crew that was huddling in the corner, suddenly advanced upon and assaulted by the police.
https://twitter.com/asb_breaking/status/...86528?s=21
As one anchor put it, what’s interesting is they’re not discriminating between the protestors and media.
I guess if one has the super secret lad world instant press identifier and decoder ring that would be good.
I had a friend who was embedded as a journalist in the First Gulf War -- he got the same level of pissiness when he was shot at from a distance. The press feels the need to get 'into the action' to 'report on the action', yet have prickliness when they get caught up in the action.
Sucks that the press got caught up in a street clearing. **** happens. Color me surprised. The horrors......
When the Secret Service does a 'make the path safe', unless you are pre-vetted to the nth degree you get hauled out. When the Secret Service clears a street that they deem to have danger associated with the denizens, I would assume they arent going to pussyfoot around and do phone checks if someone claims they are a journalist. To their eyes, they dont give a **** if you arent pre-cleared in that situation.
Again, that sucks. But, that is business as usual for that scenario, I would imagine.
Typically, the large camera helps identify press. But they also often wear press badges, clearly identifying they are with the media.
And how exactly does that 'pre-clear' someone from a Secret Service standpoint? Hint: it doesnt. Good grief, put some sense into your comments.
Quote:I just wonder why you’re so happy to defend Trump’s decision (or whoever’s decision it was to send Trump down this road),
Where am I defending his decision to walk there? I guess that since I am not as pissed off as you that he did so, that is 'defending'. I am not surprised at all the Secret Service cleared the fing beejeezus out of the street at that point.
You seemingly think that is a horrible thing.
So, let's turn this around and add some cogent points that have seemingly escaped that razor sahrp diatribe.
What fing right does a mob of people have to occupy a thoroughfare for 5 days straight?
What fing right does a mob have to injure 40 Secret Service people?
You act like they had a god fing given right to be there. Somehow those little stupid issues simply 'pass over' that cute little 'analysis' of yours. Jeezus fing krist on a cracker.
Quote:when a completely reasonable alternative of “not waking unannounced to a nearby church” wouldn’t have provoked an actually peaceful and illegal in nature protest.
FIFY to be a tad more accurate.
Seemingly in lad world it is a Capitol offense to disturb the illegal mob, and weighed against a President deciding to go where he can and has every legal right to go, that should fall in light of the god given right to protest in an illegal manner. Sound about right to you?
In this manner, Trump absolutely is tossing the middle finger at the mob in Lafayette Park at that juncture.
And had that same type of mob not injured 40 Secret service agents in the course of 5 days, or had that mob been somewhat tame in nature in the past, or even if it hadnt shut down thoroughfare for 5 days straight, you might have a point about the relative 'oh so bad' of Trump's decision.
But.... none of those facts are present, are they? So, for the past 5 days the illegal nature(s) of that setting had effectively tossed Trump *their* collective middle fingers? All the while making 40 Secret Service officer need medical treatment.
In lad calculus, apparently how *dare* Trump middle finger the middle fingerers.
I suggest next time, they dont break as many fing laws in the course. Or, perhaps they keep the secret service injuries to a number that can be counted on one hand.
Given the relative issues, it is pretty stupid to go apeshit over the situation. But you make a champion level effort to make it oh so unrighteous (by ignoring the excesses of one side to almost perfection, mind you). Sorry you get pissy when those excesses actually come to the forefront. I suggest you think about them before you go all 'pull the pin on the outrage grenade'.
Quote:Just a stupid ******* decision, and an impressive display on your part carrying water for it.
Quite the level of carrying water for an illegal demonstration. I guess you overlooked that aspect.