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FWIW, in GTS's survey of SBC and CUSA fans, Sun Belt fans were much more likely to say they were happy with the current state of the league. The malcontents seem to be mostly eastern CUSA teams.
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(06-01-2020 11:48 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 10:45 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  In case you haven't noticed, most all of this talk is coming from SBC fans and school sites. ...

If the Conf USA members are feeling any pain or desire to make changes, they are not showing it and no school desires to raise the issue.

Dude, there are no fewer that 13 threads on the front page of CUSA board on this subject.

Take your trolling elsewhere.

Could it be that he's been so overwhelmed with with truths, that he turned tail and run off? Seems he's stirred the pot and isn't interested in the truth.
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Redwolf nice way to bring some spit balls our way from a rival on our board.

Early in this discussion there was almost zero chatter on the Sun Belt board while the majority of discussion about the merger idea being propagated by various media outlets was on the CUSA board.

I went so far as to point it out on the CUSA board about 15 pages into one of their threads about the idea and received little if any objection. I did notice a warning pop up under my signature. My comment suggested that the idea was receiving little if any traction on the Sun Belt board. You're welcome to go check it out. I'd link it but you'd probably not look anyway. Nice job!
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(06-01-2020 10:47 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 09:54 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  I haven't seen an article from a USA school desiring a merger of any sort. Wish you could link me. On the other hand, SBC fans seem very high on the idea. I can believe the bored comment, think we all are but also think its time for a good dose of realism to be expressed. The only articles I have seen is from smaller town newspaper looking for discussion.

Took the time to find all of the links. There are some others I can't find at the moment where ODU's Wood Selig was interviewed.

So here you go:

* In THIS article from 2020, CUSA's financial burdens during COVID-19 are discussed with various CUSA admin.

* In THIS article from 2017, an un-named CUSA AD says "Conference USA's current financial model is unsustainable", with the article mentioning CUSA has to change. MTSU AD Chris Massaro also said "It's inevitable that there's going to be some kind of consolidation among the Group of Five," he said. "I don't think we're there yet, but eventually we will be." ODU's president John Broderick, in that same article, said he isn't necessarily in favor of a merger, but agrees it needs to be considered. He said "Anything that would help our student-athletes and is more responsive to budgetary concerns deserves a look."

* THIS article from 2020, is from a roundtable of a consulting firm specialist/former AD about the CUSA model and how it can't last in its current form.

* THIS article, from 2020, is a very interesting one from the James Madison AD, talking about how COVID-19 is stretching money thin and that he's heard through the "grapevine" that there is discussion about what will happen among certain conferences in regards to their future. It also mentions that ODU had an independent study commissioned, which led to them shutting down some of their sports programs. The same study also "concluded that ODU must make a decision on conference membership to reduce travel expenses, cut down missed class time and generate more fan interest." East Carolina's AD also says "I think the TV networks obviously would want to hold the conference alignment as they are for football and men’s and women’s basketball. But I think it is time to discuss that every other sport go to a regional-type format where we are playing schools that are close to us. Our athletes could play a lot of schools on a road trip that takes place maybe even in the same day, and I think those are discussions we should start having in earnest.”

And these articles are just opinion pieces that are originating from CUSA beat writers, and not from SBC sites as you mentioned:

* It's past time for radical change in Conference USA
* CUSA, Sun Belt Realignment needed for benefit of membership
* Conference USA is no longer a good fit for ODU
* C-USA should dissolve or get creative to survive
* CUSA, Sun Belt merger can't come fast enough
* Realignment is inevitable for Conference USA
* Conference USA & Sun Belt could combine in pandemic recovery

Lol. Good job. Maybe you could send these links to tech's ad. He should get caught up.
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RE: In case you haven't notice.....
I don't think an all-out merger would be in the best interest for our schools in terms of NCAA qualifying and championships but having some sort of cross-scheduling arrangement similar to what Notre Dame has with the ACC would be a very prudent move. If all sports could schedule a percentage of their matches or games against the closest CUSA schools that would be helpful for both conferences. In football for example each school could play two CUSA schools and those would count toward their qualifing for the championship. So an app states case maybe we hardly ever play Texas State Louisiana schools or maybe AState but routinely play ODU, Marshall, UAB or Charlotte and that counts as a gradient calculation of some type toward the conference weighting.
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(06-01-2020 10:10 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 10:05 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 06:11 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Message board fans are not the ones making these decisions. Also most of the articles posted here discussing it have been from CUSA schools.





I try to stay informed and have not seen these articles of which you speak. Have seen some local newspaper hoping for a story.

you haven't been paying attention.

Without even bringing up what CUSA AD's have been saying, why are articles from CUSA beat writers not proof enough that CUSA schools are clamoring for realignment, but threads on the Sun Belt board are proof that we are? You're being a little obtuse here.




CUSA members may very well be wanting some restructuring but do they want to do it with SBC schools? I see no evidence of that. Its safe to say yes they want a smaller footprint, less expense and more fans in attendance but no where have I seen this expressed going forward with our schools.
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(06-01-2020 10:47 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 09:54 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  I haven't seen an article from a USA school desiring a merger of any sort. Wish you could link me. On the other hand, SBC fans seem very high on the idea. I can believe the bored comment, think we all are but also think its time for a good dose of realism to be expressed. The only articles I have seen is from smaller town newspaper looking for discussion.

Took the time to find all of the links. There are some others I can't find at the moment where ODU's Wood Selig was interviewed.

So here you go:

* In THIS article from 2020, CUSA's financial burdens during COVID-19 are discussed with various CUSA admin.

* In THIS article from 2017, an un-named CUSA AD says "Conference USA's current financial model is unsustainable", with the article mentioning CUSA has to change. MTSU AD Chris Massaro also said "It's inevitable that there's going to be some kind of consolidation among the Group of Five," he said. "I don't think we're there yet, but eventually we will be." ODU's president John Broderick, in that same article, said he isn't necessarily in favor of a merger, but agrees it needs to be considered. He said "Anything that would help our student-athletes and is more responsive to budgetary concerns deserves a look."

* THIS article from 2020, is from a roundtable of a consulting firm specialist/former AD about the CUSA model and how it can't last in its current form.

* THIS article, from 2020, is a very interesting one from the James Madison AD, talking about how COVID-19 is stretching money thin and that he's heard through the "grapevine" that there is discussion about what will happen among certain conferences in regards to their future. It also mentions that ODU had an independent study commissioned, which led to them shutting down some of their sports programs. The same study also "concluded that ODU must make a decision on conference membership to reduce travel expenses, cut down missed class time and generate more fan interest." East Carolina's AD also says "I think the TV networks obviously would want to hold the conference alignment as they are for football and men’s and women’s basketball. But I think it is time to discuss that every other sport go to a regional-type format where we are playing schools that are close to us. Our athletes could play a lot of schools on a road trip that takes place maybe even in the same day, and I think those are discussions we should start having in earnest.”

And these articles are just opinion pieces that are originating from CUSA beat writers, and not from SBC sites as you mentioned:

* It's past time for radical change in Conference USA
* CUSA, Sun Belt Realignment needed for benefit of membership
* Conference USA is no longer a good fit for ODU
* C-USA should dissolve or get creative to survive
* CUSA, Sun Belt merger can't come fast enough
* Realignment is inevitable for Conference USA
* Conference USA & Sun Belt could combine in pandemic recovery
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(06-01-2020 01:57 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 10:47 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 09:54 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  I haven't seen an article from a USA school desiring a merger of any sort. Wish you could link me. On the other hand, SBC fans seem very high on the idea. I can believe the bored comment, think we all are but also think its time for a good dose of realism to be expressed. The only articles I have seen is from smaller town newspaper looking for discussion.

Took the time to find all of the links. There are some others I can't find at the moment where ODU's Wood Selig was interviewed.

So here you go:

* In THIS article from 2020, CUSA's financial burdens during COVID-19 are discussed with various CUSA admin.

* In THIS article from 2017, an un-named CUSA AD says "Conference USA's current financial model is unsustainable", with the article mentioning CUSA has to change. MTSU AD Chris Massaro also said "It's inevitable that there's going to be some kind of consolidation among the Group of Five," he said. "I don't think we're there yet, but eventually we will be." ODU's president John Broderick, in that same article, said he isn't necessarily in favor of a merger, but agrees it needs to be considered. He said "Anything that would help our student-athletes and is more responsive to budgetary concerns deserves a look."

* THIS article from 2020, is from a roundtable of a consulting firm specialist/former AD about the CUSA model and how it can't last in its current form.

* THIS article, from 2020, is a very interesting one from the James Madison AD, talking about how COVID-19 is stretching money thin and that he's heard through the "grapevine" that there is discussion about what will happen among certain conferences in regards to their future. It also mentions that ODU had an independent study commissioned, which led to them shutting down some of their sports programs. The same study also "concluded that ODU must make a decision on conference membership to reduce travel expenses, cut down missed class time and generate more fan interest." East Carolina's AD also says "I think the TV networks obviously would want to hold the conference alignment as they are for football and men’s and women’s basketball. But I think it is time to discuss that every other sport go to a regional-type format where we are playing schools that are close to us. Our athletes could play a lot of schools on a road trip that takes place maybe even in the same day, and I think those are discussions we should start having in earnest.”

And these articles are just opinion pieces that are originating from CUSA beat writers, and not from SBC sites as you mentioned:

* It's past time for radical change in Conference USA
* CUSA, Sun Belt Realignment needed for benefit of membership
* Conference USA is no longer a good fit for ODU
* C-USA should dissolve or get creative to survive
* CUSA, Sun Belt merger can't come fast enough
* Realignment is inevitable for Conference USA
* Conference USA & Sun Belt could combine in pandemic recovery

Lol. Good job. Maybe you could send these links to tech's ad. He should get caught up.



Nice work, impressive. But, its still the same. Everyone acknowledges the need for a more regional conference to save money, reduce time from classes and etc. but the CUSA folks quoted here are saying restructuring within G5. Nothing specific with the SBC and that is my point. No mention of any SBC teams that I have seen and their collective response has been bascially zero. CUSA schools from what I have seen wants to restructure with the AAC and maybe in some cases the Mountain West. Until I see one CUSA school openly supporting an idea which includes SBC schools, it has no chance to move forward. We're fortunate in that we have a reasonable footprint, similar schools and reasonable leaders to achieve higher success. If a conference needs help, its the CUSA, not us.
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(06-01-2020 03:04 PM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  I don't think an all-out merger would be in the best interest for our schools in terms of NCAA qualifying and championships but having some sort of cross-scheduling arrangement similar to what Notre Dame has with the ACC would be a very prudent move. If all sports could schedule a percentage of their matches or games against the closest CUSA schools that would be helpful for both conferences. In football for example each school could play two CUSA schools and those would count toward their qualifing for the championship. So an app states case maybe we hardly ever play Texas State Louisiana schools or maybe AState but routinely play ODU, Marshall, UAB or Charlotte and that counts as a gradient calculation of some type toward the conference weighting.


A scheduling agreement IMO would be more accepted by the CUSA schools. One can see this coming together at some point.
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RE: In case you haven't notice.....
(06-01-2020 06:23 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 01:57 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 10:47 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 09:54 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  I haven't seen an article from a USA school desiring a merger of any sort. Wish you could link me. On the other hand, SBC fans seem very high on the idea. I can believe the bored comment, think we all are but also think its time for a good dose of realism to be expressed. The only articles I have seen is from smaller town newspaper looking for discussion.

Took the time to find all of the links. There are some others I can't find at the moment where ODU's Wood Selig was interviewed.

So here you go:

* In THIS article from 2020, CUSA's financial burdens during COVID-19 are discussed with various CUSA admin.

* In THIS article from 2017, an un-named CUSA AD says "Conference USA's current financial model is unsustainable", with the article mentioning CUSA has to change. MTSU AD Chris Massaro also said "It's inevitable that there's going to be some kind of consolidation among the Group of Five," he said. "I don't think we're there yet, but eventually we will be." ODU's president John Broderick, in that same article, said he isn't necessarily in favor of a merger, but agrees it needs to be considered. He said "Anything that would help our student-athletes and is more responsive to budgetary concerns deserves a look."

* THIS article from 2020, is from a roundtable of a consulting firm specialist/former AD about the CUSA model and how it can't last in its current form.

* THIS article, from 2020, is a very interesting one from the James Madison AD, talking about how COVID-19 is stretching money thin and that he's heard through the "grapevine" that there is discussion about what will happen among certain conferences in regards to their future. It also mentions that ODU had an independent study commissioned, which led to them shutting down some of their sports programs. The same study also "concluded that ODU must make a decision on conference membership to reduce travel expenses, cut down missed class time and generate more fan interest." East Carolina's AD also says "I think the TV networks obviously would want to hold the conference alignment as they are for football and men’s and women’s basketball. But I think it is time to discuss that every other sport go to a regional-type format where we are playing schools that are close to us. Our athletes could play a lot of schools on a road trip that takes place maybe even in the same day, and I think those are discussions we should start having in earnest.”

And these articles are just opinion pieces that are originating from CUSA beat writers, and not from SBC sites as you mentioned:

* It's past time for radical change in Conference USA
* CUSA, Sun Belt Realignment needed for benefit of membership
* Conference USA is no longer a good fit for ODU
* C-USA should dissolve or get creative to survive
* CUSA, Sun Belt merger can't come fast enough
* Realignment is inevitable for Conference USA
* Conference USA & Sun Belt could combine in pandemic recovery

Lol. Good job. Maybe you could send these links to tech's ad. He should get caught up.



Nice work, impressive. But, its still the same. Everyone acknowledges the need for a more regional conference to save money, reduce time from classes and etc. but the CUSA folks quoted here are saying restructuring within G5. Nothing specific with the SBC and that is my point. No mention of any SBC teams that I have seen and their collective response has been bascially zero. CUSA schools from what I have seen wants to restructure with the AAC and maybe in some cases the Mountain West. Until I see one CUSA school openly supporting an idea which includes SBC schools, it has no chance to move forward. We're fortunate in that we have a reasonable footprint, similar schools and reasonable leaders to achieve higher success. If a conference needs help, its the CUSA, not us.

What folks? The titles tell the story. Dude you've stepped in some **** and there ain't no way to sugar coat it. 90% of the chatter is regarding a Sun Belt CUSA merger. We have made it abundantly clear that we're really not interested unless it improves our circumstance. CUSA is looking for a less crapy circumstance. The overwhelming Sun Belt consensus has been we're in a fine place with them or without them.
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(06-01-2020 09:22 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 06:11 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Message board fans are not the ones making these decisions. Also most of the articles posted here discussing it have been from CUSA schools.

SBC fans are simply talking about it because it's interesting, and also entertaining because we're all bored.

The multiple articles that are being discussed though are coming from C-USA sources (except the one from the Cajuns AD).

Just because SBC fans discuss it, doesn't mean we have a strong desire for our schools to make something happen.

Pretty sure the consensus here among SBC fans is that we all like our situation and have a mutual respect for each other.


I would hope we all feel the same but that is why I wonder why so many here want to restructure and do so with teams that have already said 'good bye' once before. They have the problem of a larger footprint, let them solve it.
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(06-01-2020 07:08 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 06:23 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 01:57 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 10:47 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 09:54 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  I haven't seen an article from a USA school desiring a merger of any sort. Wish you could link me. On the other hand, SBC fans seem very high on the idea. I can believe the bored comment, think we all are but also think its time for a good dose of realism to be expressed. The only articles I have seen is from smaller town newspaper looking for discussion.

Took the time to find all of the links. There are some others I can't find at the moment where ODU's Wood Selig was interviewed.

So here you go:

* In THIS article from 2020, CUSA's financial burdens during COVID-19 are discussed with various CUSA admin.

* In THIS article from 2017, an un-named CUSA AD says "Conference USA's current financial model is unsustainable", with the article mentioning CUSA has to change. MTSU AD Chris Massaro also said "It's inevitable that there's going to be some kind of consolidation among the Group of Five," he said. "I don't think we're there yet, but eventually we will be." ODU's president John Broderick, in that same article, said he isn't necessarily in favor of a merger, but agrees it needs to be considered. He said "Anything that would help our student-athletes and is more responsive to budgetary concerns deserves a look."

* THIS article from 2020, is from a roundtable of a consulting firm specialist/former AD about the CUSA model and how it can't last in its current form.

* THIS article, from 2020, is a very interesting one from the James Madison AD, talking about how COVID-19 is stretching money thin and that he's heard through the "grapevine" that there is discussion about what will happen among certain conferences in regards to their future. It also mentions that ODU had an independent study commissioned, which led to them shutting down some of their sports programs. The same study also "concluded that ODU must make a decision on conference membership to reduce travel expenses, cut down missed class time and generate more fan interest." East Carolina's AD also says "I think the TV networks obviously would want to hold the conference alignment as they are for football and men’s and women’s basketball. But I think it is time to discuss that every other sport go to a regional-type format where we are playing schools that are close to us. Our athletes could play a lot of schools on a road trip that takes place maybe even in the same day, and I think those are discussions we should start having in earnest.”

And these articles are just opinion pieces that are originating from CUSA beat writers, and not from SBC sites as you mentioned:

* It's past time for radical change in Conference USA
* CUSA, Sun Belt Realignment needed for benefit of membership
* Conference USA is no longer a good fit for ODU
* C-USA should dissolve or get creative to survive
* CUSA, Sun Belt merger can't come fast enough
* Realignment is inevitable for Conference USA
* Conference USA & Sun Belt could combine in pandemic recovery

Lol. Good job. Maybe you could send these links to tech's ad. He should get caught up.



Nice work, impressive. But, its still the same. Everyone acknowledges the need for a more regional conference to save money, reduce time from classes and etc. but the CUSA folks quoted here are saying restructuring within G5. Nothing specific with the SBC and that is my point. No mention of any SBC teams that I have seen and their collective response has been bascially zero. CUSA schools from what I have seen wants to restructure with the AAC and maybe in some cases the Mountain West. Until I see one CUSA school openly supporting an idea which includes SBC schools, it has no chance to move forward. We're fortunate in that we have a reasonable footprint, similar schools and reasonable leaders to achieve higher success. If a conference needs help, its the CUSA, not us.

What folks? The titles tell the story. Dude you've stepped in some **** and there ain't no way to sugar coat it. 90% of the chatter is regarding a Sun Belt CUSA merger. We have made it abundantly clear that we're really not interested unless it improves our circumstance. CUSA is looking for a less crapy circumstance. The overwhelming Sun Belt consensus has been we're in a fine place with them or without them.


Dude, so you are telling me the CUSA are tripping over themselves to restructure with the SBC? I never would have known that except for you telling me. Thanks dude.
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RE: In case you haven't notice.....
(06-01-2020 07:34 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 07:08 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 06:23 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 01:57 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 10:47 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Took the time to find all of the links. There are some others I can't find at the moment where ODU's Wood Selig was interviewed.

So here you go:

* In THIS article from 2020, CUSA's financial burdens during COVID-19 are discussed with various CUSA admin.

* In THIS article from 2017, an un-named CUSA AD says "Conference USA's current financial model is unsustainable", with the article mentioning CUSA has to change. MTSU AD Chris Massaro also said "It's inevitable that there's going to be some kind of consolidation among the Group of Five," he said. "I don't think we're there yet, but eventually we will be." ODU's president John Broderick, in that same article, said he isn't necessarily in favor of a merger, but agrees it needs to be considered. He said "Anything that would help our student-athletes and is more responsive to budgetary concerns deserves a look."

* THIS article from 2020, is from a roundtable of a consulting firm specialist/former AD about the CUSA model and how it can't last in its current form.

* THIS article, from 2020, is a very interesting one from the James Madison AD, talking about how COVID-19 is stretching money thin and that he's heard through the "grapevine" that there is discussion about what will happen among certain conferences in regards to their future. It also mentions that ODU had an independent study commissioned, which led to them shutting down some of their sports programs. The same study also "concluded that ODU must make a decision on conference membership to reduce travel expenses, cut down missed class time and generate more fan interest." East Carolina's AD also says "I think the TV networks obviously would want to hold the conference alignment as they are for football and men’s and women’s basketball. But I think it is time to discuss that every other sport go to a regional-type format where we are playing schools that are close to us. Our athletes could play a lot of schools on a road trip that takes place maybe even in the same day, and I think those are discussions we should start having in earnest.”

And these articles are just opinion pieces that are originating from CUSA beat writers, and not from SBC sites as you mentioned:

* It's past time for radical change in Conference USA
* CUSA, Sun Belt Realignment needed for benefit of membership
* Conference USA is no longer a good fit for ODU
* C-USA should dissolve or get creative to survive
* CUSA, Sun Belt merger can't come fast enough
* Realignment is inevitable for Conference USA
* Conference USA & Sun Belt could combine in pandemic recovery

Lol. Good job. Maybe you could send these links to tech's ad. He should get caught up.



Nice work, impressive. But, its still the same. Everyone acknowledges the need for a more regional conference to save money, reduce time from classes and etc. but the CUSA folks quoted here are saying restructuring within G5. Nothing specific with the SBC and that is my point. No mention of any SBC teams that I have seen and their collective response has been bascially zero. CUSA schools from what I have seen wants to restructure with the AAC and maybe in some cases the Mountain West. Until I see one CUSA school openly supporting an idea which includes SBC schools, it has no chance to move forward. We're fortunate in that we have a reasonable footprint, similar schools and reasonable leaders to achieve higher success. If a conference needs help, its the CUSA, not us.

What folks? The titles tell the story. Dude you've stepped in some **** and there ain't no way to sugar coat it. 90% of the chatter is regarding a Sun Belt CUSA merger. We have made it abundantly clear that we're really not interested unless it improves our circumstance. CUSA is looking for a less crapy circumstance. The overwhelming Sun Belt consensus has been we're in a fine place with them or without them.


Dude, so you are telling me the CUSA are tripping over themselves to restructure with the SBC? I never would have known that except for you telling me. Thanks dude.

Your thread points to the Sun Belt driving the discussion. It couldn't be further from the truth.
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(06-01-2020 07:34 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  Dude, so you are telling me the CUSA are tripping over themselves to restructure with the SBC? I never would have known that except for you telling me. Thanks dude.

Your thread points to the Sun Belt driving the discussion. It couldn't be further from the truth.

Exactly. He even asked for links to prove otherwise, and he got them.
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(06-01-2020 07:28 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
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(06-01-2020 06:11 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Message board fans are not the ones making these decisions. Also most of the articles posted here discussing it have been from CUSA schools.

SBC fans are simply talking about it because it's interesting, and also entertaining because we're all bored.

The multiple articles that are being discussed though are coming from C-USA sources (except the one from the Cajuns AD).

Just because SBC fans discuss it, doesn't mean we have a strong desire for our schools to make something happen.

Pretty sure the consensus here among SBC fans is that we all like our situation and have a mutual respect for each other.


I would hope we all feel the same but that is why I wonder why so many here want to restructure and do so with teams that have already said 'good bye' once before. They have the problem of a larger footprint, let them solve it.

So true about how much larger they are.

They go farther west (El Paso vs. San Marcos).
They go farther east (Norfolk vs. Conway).
They go farther north (Huntington, WV vs. Boone).
And they go farther south (Miami vs. San Marcos/Lafayette/Mobile [all within <1 degree of latitude).

Their divisions are large enough for an entire conference footprint, arguably even more so for a league that just does not get much of any media revenue. The Sun Belt doesn't exactly have a small footprint, but comparably it is reasonable.
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RE: In case you haven't notice.....
(06-01-2020 11:58 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  FWIW, in GTS's survey of SBC and CUSA fans, Sun Belt fans were much more likely to say they were happy with the current state of the league. The malcontents seem to be mostly eastern CUSA teams.

This article, which surveyed G5 fans, confirms that C-USA fans are the least happy with their membership and with their commissioner among all G5 leagues. They also, along with the SB and MAC fans, rated their league as third best G5 league. Very informative.

https://theathletic.com/1759143/2020/04/...isfaction/
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RE: In case you haven't notice.....
(06-01-2020 11:36 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 07:28 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 09:22 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 06:11 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Message board fans are not the ones making these decisions. Also most of the articles posted here discussing it have been from CUSA schools.

SBC fans are simply talking about it because it's interesting, and also entertaining because we're all bored.

The multiple articles that are being discussed though are coming from C-USA sources (except the one from the Cajuns AD).

Just because SBC fans discuss it, doesn't mean we have a strong desire for our schools to make something happen.

Pretty sure the consensus here among SBC fans is that we all like our situation and have a mutual respect for each other.


I would hope we all feel the same but that is why I wonder why so many here want to restructure and do so with teams that have already said 'good bye' once before. They have the problem of a larger footprint, let them solve it.

So true about how much larger they are.

They go farther west (El Paso vs. San Marcos).
They go farther east (Norfolk vs. Conway).
They go farther north (Huntington, WV vs. Boone).
And they go farther south (Miami vs. San Marcos/Lafayette/Mobile [all within <1 degree of latitude).

Their divisions are large enough for an entire conference footprint, arguably even more so for a league that just does not get much of any media revenue. The Sun Belt doesn't exactly have a small footprint, but comparably it is reasonable.
Preach. We like to talk about the overlapping footprint across the South but realistically our footprint is more manageable.
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RE: In case you haven't notice.....
(06-02-2020 03:55 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 11:36 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 07:28 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 09:22 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 06:11 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Message board fans are not the ones making these decisions. Also most of the articles posted here discussing it have been from CUSA schools.

SBC fans are simply talking about it because it's interesting, and also entertaining because we're all bored.

The multiple articles that are being discussed though are coming from C-USA sources (except the one from the Cajuns AD).

Just because SBC fans discuss it, doesn't mean we have a strong desire for our schools to make something happen.

Pretty sure the consensus here among SBC fans is that we all like our situation and have a mutual respect for each other.


I would hope we all feel the same but that is why I wonder why so many here want to restructure and do so with teams that have already said 'good bye' once before. They have the problem of a larger footprint, let them solve it.

So true about how much larger they are.

They go farther west (El Paso vs. San Marcos).
They go farther east (Norfolk vs. Conway).
They go farther north (Huntington, WV vs. Boone).
And they go farther south (Miami vs. San Marcos/Lafayette/Mobile [all within <1 degree of latitude).

Their divisions are large enough for an entire conference footprint, arguably even more so for a league that just does not get much of any media revenue. The Sun Belt doesn't exactly have a small footprint, but comparably it is reasonable.
Preach. We like to talk about the overlapping footprint across the South but realistically our footprint is more manageable.

The Sun Belt ers like what we have because we like what we've done. We've done it the hard way and making any change could screw things up. App states had a nice run in football the most consistent with the latest lineup but everyone including Ga state in football and basketball have contributed to the hype. I type with one eye closed but its true. As of late every season someone new shows up and pushes the conference brand in the right direction. It's to be expected with constant coaching turnover but we don't seem to be letting off the gas despite it. We just need to learn to hate each other a little more every year. 04-cheers
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I think the largest problem here in an amicable realignment of C-USA and SunBelt schools is that both of the arguably top brands in each conference currently reside in the east (App St and Marshall). Split down geographic lines consensus seems to be an eastern-based C-USA stretching north to south from Marshall to Florida and a western-based SunBelt, anchored in Texas and expanding north and east from there. The problem with this again is that the SunBelt wouldn't want to lose its current largest and recently most successful program and all this would do is make C-USA stronger (where is the incentive for the SunBelt to do this when they are already trending upwards and likely to have greater success than C-USA moving forward while also in a smaller footprint.

The only way something like this could happen is if individual schools got together to form their own new conference being composed of current SunBelt and C-USA members. Many have suggested here and on other threads that Marshall and App St might want to be in a conference together, so I think those two would have to be the catalyst to form a new regional conference. And example of this new conference might look like this...

Marshall
App St
JMU
ODU
Charlotte
WKU
MTSU
Coastal Carolina
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
UAB
Southern Miss
+FAU & FIU (if so desired to keep a foot in Florida)

That 14 team conference would make for regional flair for App St and Marshall. Would create a new rival for Marshall in App St, while also providing closer regional rivals such as JMU. App St would get additional regional rivals in Charlotte and ODU while still maintaining their rivalry with Georgia Southern. Up and comer and big market in Georgia St. Also including some traditional brands and history for Marshall with UAB and Southern Miss. Finally, the F_Us to allow for Florida recruiting and market.

Following this creation of a new conference, I would expect to see an actual merger of C-USA and the SunBelt to look like the following...

UTEP
NMSU
UTSA
Rice
Texas St
North Texas
Arkansas St
LA Tech
ULM
ULL
Troy
South Alabama

This 12 team conference looks much like the SunBelt of a few years ago, but with some added flair of UTEP and NMSU being together as a travel pair (and most importantly a conference home for NMSU). UTSA and Texas St could make for a good rivalry, also with UNT in the mix. LA Tech would not be happy with this arrangement but without any other conference available they would likely have to join (those LA Tech vs ULL games will be heated). Troy vs USA is the makings of a good rivalry as well.

To me this is the most logical way to reorganize as it simply can't be done under the current two conferences the way they are now. Not enough teams could defect from C-USA to Sun Belt to make any real difference, plus there is this view that C-USA is still superior to the SunBelt. SunBelt is very strong now and C-USA doesn't have any room to absorb any defectors. In short I'm not sure any conference can really poach from the other. With only 10 members the SunBelt has room to poach Marshall and 3 others, but would it be enough to appease Marshall? Sure there is no travel to UTEP but San Marcos is no walk in the park either. Is App St alone enough to entice them? How tied are they to the Florida market (having been in C-USA with Florida schools since 2005). Would they poach 1 or both of FAU/FIU in addition to Marshall? Who would the 4th team be? UAB? Southern Miss? ODU? Charlotte?

My above realignment to me seems to make the most sense, but a disaster for C-USA and the SunBelt as individual conferences. As many have said, geographic realignment of these two conferences needs to happen, and I think this would work out well for most parties involved. It would also create a clear-cut #3 G5 after AAC/MWC in the eyes of most, centered around Marshall and App St.

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(06-01-2020 09:37 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 07:47 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(06-01-2020 07:34 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  Dude, so you are telling me the CUSA are tripping over themselves to restructure with the SBC? I never would have known that except for you telling me. Thanks dude.

Your thread points to the Sun Belt driving the discussion. It couldn't be further from the truth.

Exactly. He even asked for links to prove otherwise, and he got them.


I got the links? I got nothing showing any desire on the part of Conf USA teams to merge with the SBC teams. To be clear, there is a hell of a lot of difference when its said they want to restructure within G5 and wanting to restructure with the SBC. You do understand the difference between the G5 in general and the SBC specifically? It is possible a couple of SBC teams could be approcached in some new restructureing but there will be no such thing as a merger for most teams. I would expect to see some schools drop back to 1AA if most SBC teams were included in any agreement to merge.
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