Made my donation and renewed. Crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.

Speaking of opinions, in one of the many magazines I get, in today’s mail I noticed a survey of people and their Risk Tolerance. They polled people on different levels of risk with various entertainment choices (outdoor & sports, outdoor & indoor concerts, theme parks, movie theaters and performing arts venues. All numbers were relatively close across the board. For outdoor sports venues:

No/low risk (those comfortable w/ 0-30% capacity) 32%
Moderate risk (40-60% capacity) 41%
High risk (70-100% capacity) 27%

I imagine the die-hards might drive those numbers up some as opposed to a generic polling, but the numbers are different than I expected as I expected more of a 60-25-15 split with more people to be more comfortable with less people in the stands.

Purchased as soon as they were for sale. Most likely will ask for refund if they don’t allow tailgating.

Bought mine, just hoping we still have a season. For previous post can't see why they will not allow tailgating, Govnah says 50 peeps to a group. only have about 10 at mine.

(06-07-2020 02:58 PM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  Bought mine, just hoping we still have a season. For previous post can't see why they will not allow tailgating, Govnah says 50 peeps to a group. only have about 10 at mine.

You're assuming it hasn't gotten worse by September. There is very likely going to be multiple waves until at least 60% of the world is vaccinated. That is probably not going to be reached until Spring 2021 at the earliest.

(06-09-2020 03:39 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(06-07-2020 02:58 PM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  Bought mine, just hoping we still have a season. For previous post can't see why they will not allow tailgating, Govnah says 50 peeps to a group. only have about 10 at mine.

You're assuming it hasn't gotten worse by September. There is very likely going to be multiple waves until at least 60% of the world is vaccinated. That is probably not going to be reached until Spring 2021 at the earliest.

trends:

At the height of Covid 19 in VA we had 1615 active cases on May 26, yesterday June 9, we had 487 active cases. Even without a vaccine we're doing something right. Well at least trending down.

Nationally, the peak was April 24th with 36,137 active cases yesterday 16,316. Let's please keep up the good work.

I wish our media would report these numbers. It's okay to give us the running total but the important numbers are where we are today rather than from the beginning of this pandemic.

(06-09-2020 11:27 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  trends:

At the height of Covid 19 in VA we had 1615 active cases on May 26, yesterday June 9, we had 487 active cases. Even without a vaccine we're doing something right. Well at least trending down.

Nationally, the peak was April 24th with 36,137 active cases yesterday 16,316. Let's please keep up the good work.

I wish our media would report these numbers. It's okay to give us the running total but the important numbers are where we are today rather than from the beginning of this pandemic.

I’m probably going to catch hell for nitpicking, but I personally think it’s worth mentioning that these numbers are daily new cases. Virginia has over 43,000 active cases, and the US active case total is north of 1.142 million. New cases have been trending down since late April, and that’s great news. But good grief do we have a long way to go.

(06-09-2020 11:27 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 03:39 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(06-07-2020 02:58 PM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  Bought mine, just hoping we still have a season. For previous post can't see why they will not allow tailgating, Govnah says 50 peeps to a group. only have about 10 at mine.

You're assuming it hasn't gotten worse by September. There is very likely going to be multiple waves until at least 60% of the world is vaccinated. That is probably not going to be reached until Spring 2021 at the earliest.

trends:

At the height of Covid 19 in VA we had 1615 active cases on May 26, yesterday June 9, we had 487 active cases. Even without a vaccine we're doing something right. Well at least trending down.

Nationally, the peak was April 24th with 36,137 active cases yesterday 16,316. Let's please keep up the good work.

I wish our media would report these numbers. It's okay to give us the running total but the important numbers are where we are today rather than from the beginning of this pandemic.

On the flipside, I did read that several states are at their highest for a seven day average of new cases. Not trying to turn this in to another COVID debate thread though, just noting that things getting worse by September isn't out of the question. Hopefully we don't start seeing more and more of that as states get closer and closer to back to normal. Plus of course with all the large crowds protesting.

(06-10-2020 12:11 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 11:27 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  trends:

At the height of Covid 19 in VA we had 1615 active cases on May 26, yesterday June 9, we had 487 active cases. Even without a vaccine we're doing something right. Well at least trending down.

Nationally, the peak was April 24th with 36,137 active cases yesterday 16,316. Let's please keep up the good work.

I wish our media would report these numbers. It's okay to give us the running total but the important numbers are where we are today rather than from the beginning of this pandemic.

I’m probably going to catch hell for nitpicking, but I personally think it’s worth mentioning that these numbers are daily new cases. Virginia has over 43,000 active cases, and the US active case total is north of 1.142 million. New cases have been trending down since late April, and that’s great news. But good grief do we have a long way to go.

Yes, it's important to point out that is a 24 hour new case number in Virginia. It's trending down, yes. It's trending down WAY too slowly in my opinion, especially when you see trends in other countries dropping much more abruptly.

However, June numbers and September numbers can be very different. We just don't know. People who think this one wave will be it before widely available vaccines administered to a majority of the population are kidding themselves.

The WHO has communicated encouraging news recently saying it does not appear that a symptomatic people are passing this disease to others. They have said it is very unlikely this disease is passed from surfaces. There are also reports that the severity of the disease is becoming less suggesting that the virus might be weakening.

People having the virus helps herd immunity once they develop the antibodies. Treatments have improved and less people are dying. We may get lucky and not need a vaccine if treatments continue to improve and death is no longer a threat. We don’t have that yet but there is hope this will happen.

There is still much being learned and advances being made that should give us all hope that a return to normalcy is possible this year.

(06-09-2020 11:27 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 03:39 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(06-07-2020 02:58 PM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  Bought mine, just hoping we still have a season. For previous post can't see why they will not allow tailgating, Govnah says 50 peeps to a group. only have about 10 at mine.

You're assuming it hasn't gotten worse by September. There is very likely going to be multiple waves until at least 60% of the world is vaccinated. That is probably not going to be reached until Spring 2021 at the earliest.

trends:

At the height of Covid 19 in VA we had 1615 active cases on May 26, yesterday June 9, we had 487 active cases. Even without a vaccine we're doing something right. Well at least trending down.

Nationally, the peak was April 24th with 36,137 active cases yesterday 16,316. Let's please keep up the good work.

I wish our media would report these numbers. It's okay to give us the running total but the important numbers are where we are today rather than from the beginning of this pandemic.

Active cases is the most important statistic and it goes unreported. Total cases since January is of very little value for decision making.

The hand-wringing needs to stop, take some personal responsibility, make decisions as adults and we as a country need to move toward returning to normal - work, schools, sports, etc....

Just renewed my season tickets for the fall season!! Section 210 will be ROOTIN!!

Go Dukes!!

Brian

(06-10-2020 12:11 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 11:27 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  trends:

At the height of Covid 19 in VA we had 1615 active cases on May 26, yesterday June 9, we had 487 active cases. Even without a vaccine we're doing something right. Well at least trending down.

Nationally, the peak was April 24th with 36,137 active cases yesterday 16,316. Let's please keep up the good work.

I wish our media would report these numbers. It's okay to give us the running total but the important numbers are where we are today rather than from the beginning of this pandemic.

I’m probably going to catch hell for nitpicking, but I personally think it’s worth mentioning that these numbers are daily new cases. Virginia has over 43,000 active cases, and the US active case total is north of 1.142 million. New cases have been trending down since late April, and that’s great news. But good grief do we have a long way to go.

You won't catch hell, but your numbers of active cases are dubious at best. Most states including mine (NJ, with second most cases) are not tracking and reporting recovered patients and therefore the national numbers are not valid. Many other states, including from what I can tell Virginia do not track this either. Furthermore the states that do track it do it by assumption and not actual data.

Using the normally applied statistics, Virginia probably has somewhere between 8-14 thousand active cases as we speak and that is based on a 2 week sickness and using the date of the reported case. In reality it is probably on the lower end as testing is positive is a trailing indicator and most people have already been sick for some period of time.

NJ probably has somewhere in the neighborhood of 12,000 active cases at this point out of 165,000 total cases. The only area where I see recovered patients being reported for NJ is the JHU site which has only 28k recovered which is vastly below the actual number which is most likely closer to 140,000. As of today the rt factor for NJ is down to .64 which if we can hold will essentially bring the virus to almost no community spread within the next month or so.

Good point jmu98. I'd also say that figure is recoveries and deaths, not necessarily recoveries.

I agree that it's disappointing recovery statistics aren't being prioritized and are therefore not likely to be accurate (likely under reported nation and worldwide). I would think this requires follow up from health officials and patients may not necessarily self-report their recovery to their doctors, seek follow up testing, etc. Some will, but not all.

We should look at positive new cases in the last 2-3 weeks and that's likely your approximate active case number. In Virginia, that's 12,400 cases going back the last 14 days.

49,785 reported positives in Virginia, about 1/2 of 1%. Most studies seem to indicate half of those tested were asymptomatic, so that would be < 1/3 of 1%.

5,240 Virginians spent time hospital, whether it was 1 day or 1 month, that's .061% of our population.

1,408 Virginians died WITH Covid19 in their bodies. That total includes deaths of people who were asymptomatic when they died. That's .016% of our population.

I'd like to know who died OF Covid19 but that doesn't seem possible. The CDC has, as Blix said, "very liberal" reporting rules regarding reporting Covid19 death. For example, there was a man in Colorado that overdosed on alcohol but had Covid19 and CDC regulations say it's a Covid19 death but Colorado refused to list that. How many cases are similar to that?

(06-10-2020 02:39 PM)Bill Wrote:  49,785 reported positives in Virginia, about 1/2 of 1%. Most studies seem to indicate half of those tested were asymptomatic, so that would be < 1/3 of 1%.

5,240 Virginians spent time hospital, whether it was 1 day or 1 month, that's .061% of our population.

1,408 Virginians died WITH Covid19 in their bodies. That total includes deaths of people who were asymptomatic when they died. That's .016% of our population.

I'd like to know who died OF Covid19 but that doesn't seem possible. The CDC has, as Blix said, "very liberal" reporting rules regarding reporting Covid19 death. For example, there was a man in Colorado that overdosed on alcohol but had Covid19 and CDC regulations say it's a Covid19 death but Colorado refused to list that. How many cases are similar to that?

One measure you can use is the CDC's total "excess deaths", meaning how far above the normal amount of deaths we are for this point in the year.

Looks like Virginia is in a range of about 1,600 - 2,600 above normal, with the United States as a whole somewhere between about 103,000 and 140,000 above normal.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid...deaths.htm

(06-10-2020 02:39 PM)Bill Wrote:  49,785 reported positives in Virginia, about 1/2 of 1%. Most studies seem to indicate half of those tested were asymptomatic, so that would be < 1/3 of 1%.

5,240 Virginians spent time hospital, whether it was 1 day or 1 month, that's .061% of our population.

1,408 Virginians died WITH Covid19 in their bodies. That total includes deaths of people who were asymptomatic when they died. That's .016% of our population.

I'd like to know who died OF Covid19 but that doesn't seem possible. The CDC has, as Blix said, "very liberal" reporting rules regarding reporting Covid19 death. For example, there was a man in Colorado that overdosed on alcohol but had Covid19 and CDC regulations say it's a Covid19 death but Colorado refused to list that. How many cases are similar to that?

Many thousands are similar to that. Regardless of the actual cause of death, CDC has advised docs to count ALL deaths as COVID deaths if there seemed to be even the slightest suspicion that the patient could have contracted COVID or been close to someone who had tested positive. No test was necessary of the deceased. They could have died of cancer or a heart attack or diabetes or been hit by a bus.... cause of death? COVID-19! Then the docs and hospitals received a ton more money if they labeled the patient a COVID patient. There was and is a $13,000 bonus for a COVID admission and $39,000 when said "suspected" COVID patient went on a ventilator. I have video of this being reported by MDs.

I know that many here will disagree with this. I can post the video if you like. Then, you can argue with the docs. Or, send me a PM and I will forward one of the videos to you.

This is not political. It is shameful!

New theory. Bill is Purple, setting up Purple to say Purple things.

(06-10-2020 06:15 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  New theory. Bill is Purple, setting up Purple to say Purple things.

New theory. bjk is a Richard Cranium saying Richard Cranium things just to be a Richard Cranium.

(06-10-2020 07:28 PM)Bill Wrote:  

(06-10-2020 06:15 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  New theory. Bill is Purple, setting up Purple to say Purple things.

New theory. bjk is a Richard Cranium saying Richard Cranium things just to be a Richard Cranium.

Now, now, Purple, let’s not stoop to name calling.