mturn017
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RE: Are you buying 2020 football season tickets?
(06-16-2020 09:28 AM)Purple Wrote: (06-15-2020 11:11 AM)mturn017 Wrote: (06-12-2020 12:18 PM)Purple Wrote: (06-12-2020 11:34 AM)JMad03 Wrote: Just for clarification, the 1st amendment is about government restricting use of free speech, religion, assembly, and free press.
Last time I checked, our message board wasn't run by the government. Therefore the 1st amendment does not apply in this case.
It's the same reason an establishment can kick you out for saying something offensive and not be in trouble for doing so.
With respect to this message board, it's the moderators call, not the government. Therefore they can delete ANYTHING they want. Or they choose not to delete anything they want. Either way, they are not violating any "freedom of speech".
Come on, folks. You are smarter than this.
I knew that someone would use that as an excuse to censor. Mark Zuckerberg has been leaning on that argument. "Hey, Fascistbook is a private company. We are allowed to censor anything we want."
President Trump recently signed an executive order to address that, which has to do with Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (GMAFB). I am very aware of this because I am an internet publisher and Big Tech has wrecked businesses like mine via its censorship, leaning on Section 230.
Our Constitution indeed says that the government will make no laws "abridging the freedom of speech." Yet, they have. Section 230 permits Facebook, Twitter, and Google to censor. Therefore, the government is complicit and in violation of the First Amendment.
Face it, these are very trying times. COVID, cities burnt and looted, chaos everywhere. These things affect us and they affect JMU sports, which we are all here to discuss.
The title of this thread is "Are you buying 2020 football season tickets?" I guess respondents can reply with simply a yes or no, without elaborating so as to not piss you off. My advice is when you see that bolded title on your Dukes Domain page, indicating that there are new posts there, use your mousey thing to steer your cursor away from it, thereby reducing the stress in your life and making you a much happier person.
Man, so much for that JMU academic reputation.
Media companies have been biased and allowed to sensor since forever. It's part of the freedom of their first amendment. The NY Times can blast Trump on every page of their paper ignoring any other news they freaking want and he nor any other govt official can do anything else about it. Welcome to America Mr. President. Of course they can be sued for libel. Facebook, Twitter and Instagram enjoy the same privileges. You can go out on the street and scream racist remarks until you're blue in the face or someone punches you in the mouth. These platforms don't have to put up with it and they can fact check what you're saying and moderate your usage. If they wanted to they can do it with a liberal bias. All that's protected under the first amendment, the government is in no way "complicit" with a violation because of it.
That's just stupid. And section 230 has nothing to do with it. All that does is protect the platform from being sued for libel for what it's members say. Now when the POTUS gets censored by Twitter, gets angry and issues an Executive Order in direct retaliation to Twitter then that is in fact a violation of the First Amendment as the courts will shortly tell him because he's using the power of government to limit it. Which as JMad03 points out is the only entity that can actually infringe upon your right to free speech. One more time for the people in the back - The First Amendment only protects your speech from government censorship. End of story. Your boss can fire you for what you post on Facebook. Facebook can delete your posts or kick you off their platform for pretty much any reason they want.
Wrong, mturd. If that were the case, then Facebook wouldn't be facing several lawsuits from those they have censored. I really don't want to discuss politics, as everyone here, including me, is sick of it, but again, I am forced to defend myself. By the way, I belong to a network of publishers being represented by legal counsel on this, and I can't elaborate. Once Section 230 has been dealt with, you will see the lawsuits multiply. Facebook knows this, even if an ODU grad doesn't. Given Facebook's virtual ownership of "the public square," they are also facing antitrust and unfair business practice challenges.
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Well, I may need to get Razor Ramon in here to explain it on a level you can understand.
None of those lawsuits have to do with or invoke the first amendment. They very well may have to do with Section 230, or any number of laws and regulations having to do with discrimination or commerce protections. But not the 1st amendment.
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