(07-26-2020 06:58 PM)panite Wrote:  

(07-26-2020 06:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-26-2020 06:00 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(07-26-2020 02:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-26-2020 01:55 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Honestly, this seems like a dick move by La Tech.

First of all the conference is making them cancel this game, and more importantly is La Tech even going to be making any real money off of this game? Were they going to have limited or any crowds for September 19th?

I can't remember the last time anyone pulled this kind of shameless low class move. Ridonculous.

Oh, I don't know. A deals a deal, and business is business. Not everyone can shrug off half a mil and say "oh well" And I'm sure we will see some more schools looking to collect from others in the coming months.

Suing an HBCU for canceling a game in the middle of a pandemic, as if that doesn't qualify as an "Act of God", is patently ridiculous and shameful.

This is the world we live in.

It may or may not qualify as a force majeure event. Depends on how their contract is worded - a contract to which both parties agreed. Often, a force majeure clause requires one of the parties to officially declare a force majeure event has begun and the parties usually have some time period to resolve the matter between them or wait an allotted amount of time then make a decision. Penalties are often excluded from terminating a contract due to a force majeure event. This tells me that either the parties explicitly agreed to such penalties or this does not qualify as a force majeure event (at least not yet) under the contract.

Tacky? Probably. Contractual? Also, probably. I do think this says a lot about where Louisiana Tech’s athletic department is by risking really bad PR by pursuing these damages.

From a "force majeure" perspective, most contracts have some sort of language that establishes the cancellation is outside the control of either school. By that logic, it would appear that the cancellation was outside the control of PVAM; namely, that their conference elected to not play football this fall.

That said, it is a poorly worded tweet, and I'm not sure if there are behind the scenes discussions happening to try and figure this mess out as cleanly as possible. A lot of games are up in the air, and while a lot of contracts stipulate "acts of God" it is still not decided whether a pandemic qualifies.

A good article on the various cancellations, and possible fees, involving all Louisiana schools:

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/...6b102.html

I think CUSA and Sunbelt need to bury the hatchet and become the first super conference. Cut down on travel for all sports and settle things on the field in a 4-team conference football championship playoff: 3 division winners and one at large. Gets NCAA to approve no inter division requirement if a super conference with three or more divisions and has at least 9 members in each division.

East Div: Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, App St, Coastal Carolina, GA State, GA Southern, FIU, FAU

Central Div: WKU, MTSU, UAB, Jacks State, Troy, USA, USM, Little Rock (adds FB), ASU

West Div: ULM, LaTech, ULL, Rice, UTSA, Tx St, UNT, UTA (adds FB), UTEP

(07-28-2020 08:59 AM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  I think CUSA and Sunbelt need to bury the hatchet and become the first super conference. Cut down on travel for all sports and settle things on the field in a 4-team conference football championship playoff: 3 division winners and one at large. Gets NCAA to approve no inter division requirement if a super conference with three or more divisions and has at least 9 members in each division.

East Div: Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, App St, Coastal Carolina, GA State, GA Southern, FIU, FAU

Central Div: WKU, MTSU, UAB, Jacks State, Troy, USA, USM, Little Rock (adds FB), ASU

West Div: ULM, LaTech, ULL, Rice, UTSA, Tx St, UNT, UTA (adds FB), UTEP

26 teams for 1 automatic NCAA bid? Thanks, but no thanks.

(05-28-2020 05:00 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

Louisiana AD after a few beers.

(07-27-2020 08:52 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  From a "force majeure" perspective, most contracts have some sort of language that establishes the cancellation is outside the control of either school. By that logic, it would appear that the cancellation was outside the control of PVAM; namely, that their conference elected to not play football this fall.

That said, it is a poorly worded tweet, and I'm not sure if there are behind the scenes discussions happening to try and figure this mess out as cleanly as possible. A lot of games are up in the air, and while a lot of contracts stipulate "acts of God" it is still not decided whether a pandemic qualifies.

According to the Baton Rouge Advocate, the LT - Prairie View contract has a clause for "Acts of God and Nature".

I would imagine it would be hard for anyone to argue that a pandemic isn't an "Act of God and Nature", unless they believe it was manufactured in a Chinese laboratory.

Economics is going to start making a big difference. Having a wife work at a D-1 College is eye opening. some schools are borrowing money already to make payroll.....It is worse than they are reporting.

(07-30-2020 08:13 AM)HellBlazer Wrote:  Economics is going to start making a big difference. Having a wife work at a D-1 College is eye opening. some schools are borrowing money already to make payroll.....It is worse than they are reporting.

What is strange is how non-uniform the impact has been. E.g., we've seen some major schools like Arizona and Michigan announce hundreds-of-millions in losses, and we're all familiar with Akron's situation.

On the other hand, down here in Louisiana, which has always had one of the most poverty-funded university systems, with most schools other than LSU scraping by hand to mouth even during good times, there have been no such announcements - and believe me, when these schools feel a pinch they squawk. The state just used a bunch of Federal relief money to plug holes in the state budget and everything seems fine for this fiscal year, though dire warnings have been sounded about 2021-2022. But that's a year from now.

It's a very uneven situation with some schools being immediately hammered and others not.

(07-30-2020 08:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-30-2020 08:13 AM)HellBlazer Wrote:  Economics is going to start making a big difference. Having a wife work at a D-1 College is eye opening. some schools are borrowing money already to make payroll.....It is worse than they are reporting.

What is strange is how non-uniform the impact has been. E.g., we've seen some major schools like Arizona and Michigan announce hundreds-of-millions in losses, and we're all familiar with Akron's situation.

On the other hand, down here in Louisiana, which has always had one of the most poverty-funded university systems, with most schools other than LSU scraping by hand to mouth even during good times, there have been no such announcements - and believe me, when these schools feel a pinch they squawk. The state just used a bunch of Federal relief money to plug holes in the state budget and everything seems fine for this fiscal year, though dire warnings have been sounded about 2021-2022. But that's a year from now.

It's a very uneven situation with some schools being immediately hammered and others not.

At the moment of this response, im not sure any state of Louisiana schools have lost much towards this upcoming year. last i heard, everyone was close to full enrollment levels, which would be an increase from years past. also, football seasons have not been lost yet. so while everyone knows big losses are coming, seems like nothing worth screaming about just yet, because everyone else is in the same boat and its expected to come at some point.

(05-28-2020 05:00 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

One year later: "Lafayette", ULM, the Sun Belt, and realignmentologists have a message for you.

I think La Tech could legitimately be the biggest loser in realignment.

The La Tech administration would apparently rather drown than be on a boat with the Louisiana Sun Belt teams.

(11-01-2021 11:55 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 05:00 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

One year later: "Lafayette", ULM, the Sun Belt, and realignmentologists have a message for you.

*new reply*

"LA Tech bad!"

*enter*

(11-01-2021 12:57 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I think La Tech could legitimately be the biggest loser in realignment.

The La Tech administration would apparently rather drown than be on a boat with the Louisiana Sun Belt teams.

Or more accurately, La Tech now is drowning and the Sun Belt ain't throwing any life preservers. If anything, they're throwing anchors trying to sink them.

It’s funny to laugh about that sound bite now but do you think LA Tech had any reason to believe that 11 members of their conference would leave in rapid succession?

(11-01-2021 12:57 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I think La Tech could legitimately be the biggest loser in realignment.

The La Tech administration would apparently rather drown than be on a boat with the Louisiana Sun Belt teams.

They'd love to be on that lifeboat with Louisiana & ULM. But they were too busy betting on the unsinkable Titanic. Now that it's mostly submerged, they've discovered that the lifeboat is at capacity and they're not in it.

(07-27-2020 08:52 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  From a "force majeure" perspective, most contracts have some sort of language that establishes the cancellation is outside the control of either school. By that logic, it would appear that the cancellation was outside the control of PVAM; namely, that their conference elected to not play football this fall.

That said, it is a poorly worded tweet, and I'm not sure if there are behind the scenes discussions happening to try and figure this mess out as cleanly as possible. A lot of games are up in the air, and while a lot of contracts stipulate "acts of God" it is still not decided whether a pandemic qualifies.

Well the University of Texas did trigger all of this so I guess for force majeure purposes, it was an act of God.

(11-01-2021 02:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It’s funny to laugh about that sound bite now but do you think LA Tech had any reason to believe that 11 members of their conference would leave in rapid succession?

No, nor should the AD of a Conference USA school talk about how bad his conference is while celebrating every last accomplishment of a different conference just to make their fans feel good about themselves.

Yet, that was the expectation of fans of Sun Belt Conference schools when looking at this pro-CUSA propaganda piece from a CUSA AD.

Your posting habits prove that you don't know how to talk up yourself without putting down someone else. Your former AD was the same and a clown.

Then your admin didn't even attempt to add qualifiers to his statements.



The titanic broke in half and La Tech refuses to think that hanging out below decks was a bad idea

(11-01-2021 02:59 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Your posting habits prove that you don't know how to talk up yourself without putting down someone else. Your former AD was the same and a clown.

Then your admin didn't even attempt to add qualifiers to his statements.



The titanic broke in half and La Tech refuses to think that hanging out below decks was a bad idea

I'm assuming you're responding to me even though you didn't use the correct "Reply" function.

Louisiana Tech is not my school. You and every other Sun Belt fan will get that wrong every single time. I know more about other schools than I do LA Tech. I am first a fan of Conference USA and whoever their members are. After that, it's basically carried over knowledge of schools that were in CUSA.

Although that has nothing to do with a CONFERENCE USA athletic director promoting and pumping up CONFERENCE USA. I'd feel the same way if it were the AD at FIU or UTEP. Would you?