(05-28-2020 01:29 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 10:55 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 10:48 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 09:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 08:57 PM)mboro Wrote:  Anybody seen what happened to cause the officer to kneel on the guy? The videos always seem to skip the beginning.

Looked like a big man.

I don't care if he just kicked the cop in the nuts...

It is not the cops job to punish him for anything that he has done and it is clear that is what he was doing by asking the guy if "he was going to get into the car". It is the cops job to subdue him and that was done. That cop is a freaking coward.

You know I used to be one of those people who used to always say that people were essentially over reacting to police violence because the "criminal" likely did something, the cop wouldn't just hurt the man if it wasn't necessary.

I have completely changed my stance on that with all of the cases and evidence that have come out over the years. I think that this is the tip of the iceberg of what has been happening for years...This didn't just start when people got cameras...Folks just had no evidence against the cops before now. If there was no video of this these cops would still have jobs.

Exactly, there is nothing that could have occurred before the video began rolling that would have justified a death sentence. Unarmed, in cuffs and on the ground and this cop decided to play the role of executioner while his buddies willingly stood by and watched. It is murder, plain and simple.

I think we tend to go off the rails a little here. I don't think the cop was being an executioner and don't think he intended to kill the guy. So I think Manslaughter should be the charge.

But on the other side of this I also think if this video surfaced and the guy didn't die and was up and walking around the cop should still be fired and charged with assault. That doesn't happen.

The guy was face down on cement with one cop on his legs and one on his back. The third cop forcefully put his knee on the defenseless man's neck and pinned it against the cement. The man literally begged for him to let off so he could breathe and yet the cop remained there until he was motionless and dead... That is not manslaughter, that is murder.

(05-28-2020 08:30 AM)Merrick Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 03:31 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  This was the original tweet
Not even gonna lie I’m never pledging allegiance to the American Flag before any of my games or anywhere I’m at ever again. I refuse to pledge allegiance to a country that practices killing black people for sport.

Yup...

Don't agree with that statement at all...

What has happened to the middle ground...Must everything be sensationalized and extrapolated out to the entire population.

(05-28-2020 08:33 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I have not heard or seen one person who doesn't think the action by those cops was murder. No one is defending the Minn. police action.
Justice will be had & prevail in this case. I understand peaceful protest if it seemed justice will not be had but from the president on down, no one is siding with those cops & those in the process have clearly indicated justice will be served.

Seemed like Justice would be served in the Eric Garner case as well (Not only did the cop not go to jail...There was no trial)...I understand why people aren't just sitting back and hoping for the best.

Who is Lance Thomas?

(05-28-2020 08:55 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 08:33 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I have not heard or seen one person who doesn't think the action by those cops was murder. No one is defending the Minn. police action.
Justice will be had & prevail in this case. I understand peaceful protest if it seemed justice will not be had but from the president on down, no one is siding with those cops & those in the process have clearly indicated justice will be served.

Seemed like Justice would be served in the Eric Garner case as well (Not only did the cop not go to jail...There was no trial)...I understand why people aren't just sitting back and hoping for the best.

It seems as if no one is allowed to think the murder AND the violent protests are both abhorrent.

(05-28-2020 10:18 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

Ok sure.. then go attack a police station and loot it... Target has nothing to do with anything...

(05-28-2020 08:55 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 08:33 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I have not heard or seen one person who doesn't think the action by those cops was murder. No one is defending the Minn. police action.
Justice will be had & prevail in this case. I understand peaceful protest if it seemed justice will not be had but from the president on down, no one is siding with those cops & those in the process have clearly indicated justice will be served.

Seemed like Justice would be served in the Eric Garner case as well (Not only did the cop not go to jail...There was no trial)...I understand why people aren't just sitting back and hoping for the best.

The officer in Garner's case was fired, his life essentially ruined. A grand jury convened to determine charges declined, The NYC DA & US DA investigated & declined to charge. The officer even if charged would never have been charged murder 1 & his life is ruined. Would you prefer a system of vigilante justice?

Peaceful protest never works.

Signed,

Dr Martin Luther King


(Just in case your meter is broken, that's sarcasm)

(05-27-2020 11:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 10:58 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 10:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 10:45 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 10:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Ok...

So your point is that more white people are shot by police...There are waaaaay MORE white people. Hmmm...Seems logical.

Your other point is more blacks are killed by blacks than killed by whites...Unfortunately many neighborhoods are not integrated and you are killed by people you live near...Hmm...Seems logical.

It is not as simple as you want to make it out to be. Do you not think black men are profiled by the police?

Actually I am almost positive that if a criminal on the lose or one that has recently committed a crime is described as a black male, there is a good chance I won't be stopped and a black man will. If I were black and lived in a black neighborhood, I would figure a black man would have a very large chance of being stopped if he matched the description of someone the police were after. Being a 77 year old white male, I doubt that I would be stopped since very few 77 year old white males are involved in local criminal activity of interest to the police.

And the police think very much like you do. A higher percentage of black males commit crimes than 77 year old white men.

So they are much more likely to treat the black guy like a criminal even when he has done nothing wrong. You don't see an issue with that?

Actually I agree that if the police have a suspect they are after and he is described as black then a black person has a very high chance of being stopped. Since I am a 77 year old white male, I would only be stopped if a 70 something year old white bald man held up a 7/11 or shot up an apartment in a busted drug deal.

This is the issue.

Since blacks commit more crimes in cities police are more likely to treat them as criminals. Unfortunately it is not only when someone has reported a crime and you know this...

With that being said, do you have an issue with police being more apt to treat black men like criminals than other races due to crime statistics?

I have no problem with the police stopping anyone, regardless of sex or race, it they match the description of a dangerous person that is on the lose or a suspect in a crime. Do you agree with that? I would think the police have better things to do than to just say to themselves....."Let's stop a bunch of black people and harass them because we have nothing better to do." Also, in areas where blacks reside and congregate, most of the police tend to be African Americans.

Have you ever been hanging out with African Americans and seen the different treatment? Suspicion is always directed their way.

In this small town, with its whitish good ole boy power structure, there is a difference. I know this from experience because my store supported African American BB athletes at the junior college. Our junior College has a dorm

But I’m confused. How many cops were there. And how many actually participated. Shouldn’t they all be charged?

(05-27-2020 10:58 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  O modgod please put this thread out of its misery

There is no god and the mods don’t care.
The inverse could be true as well.

You know, this is an interesting thread. I have a former associate who I actually hired to work for me, who is African American. He has constantly told me that he was needlessly stopped by police simply because he is black. Recently, I signed up for an Internet backgound checking service that provides some pretty detailed information on pretty much everyone. I use it for doing background checks and it has proved to be one of the best investments I have ever made. So, one day, I decided to do a background check on this individual. I found 3 speeding tickets and about 8 arrests for everything from forgery to child molesting charges. So, no wonder he is upset.....he has had several warrants out for his arrest and has probably spent a good amount of time trying to dodge the police. Sometimes, you never know about why people are against the police and it takes some research to really get to the bottom of the situation.

(05-27-2020 08:37 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 05:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 03:20 PM)450bench Wrote:  Why?

96% of the country agrees with Thomas. Him and others need to come up with a form of protest that doesn't legitimately piss off most of the people that agree with him. It can be almost anything else except taking a dump on the flag. Many people see the confederate flag as a non racist symbol. Their opinion doesn't matter.

It's the same principle.

It’s interesting how people think kneeling in protest is disrespecting dead soldiers. He’s not urinating on the tomb of the unknown solider. It is a peaceful, non-violent protest. It doesn’t actually negatively impact anybody except people who clutch their pearls when it suits their personal or political beliefs. Protests, by their nature, are supposed to make people uncomfortable to draw attention. It’s not a protest if you do something silently where nobody can see it.

Right.

(05-28-2020 11:08 AM)tigerbologna Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 10:58 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  O modgod please put this thread out of its misery

There is no god and the mods don’t care.
The inverse could be true as well.

Welp...in all honesty...

I had just viewed the actual vid for the first time and read some of the reactions here--people even trying to say he was a big guy and insinuating he deserved it...

This was just too much to process. And then the violence erupting over the murder is so sad.

I fully support Lance Thomas' reaction.

And I will never forget the sound of that man's voice asking the policeman to stop, ...
It was brutal to see the cop actually shift the totality of his weight down even further into the man's neck/body as he simultaneity commanded him to get up. That was pure psychopathic behavior from the officer. He tortured a helpless man while other officers watched and did not stop though the man was subdued. I have to conclude the policemen enjoyed it on some level.


The bald faced injustice of those officers who take an oath to be 'good' men, along with people's inhuman racist reactions from deep in their personalities...welp, those things were adding to my personal misery and I thought if the thread went away...it might be better.
sorry. my bad.

This incident cannot go away like a thread does.

I think it is an ill conceived protest. In other words, had some real thought gone into the protest, probably a colored ribbon would have worked a lot better. It could have been worn on uniforms and helmets with no resulting backlash. Dragging the National Anthem into the protest was really dumb and unnecessary. I caused needless backlash. In one poll, which was conducted by Reuters, 72 percent of Americans said that they thought Kaepernick's behavior was unpatriotic. Another 61 percent said that they do not "support the stance Colin Kaepernick is taking and his decision not to stand during the national anthem." So, why create a protest that really does not work very well when better options were available?