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End of the NCAA?
Interesting article with some even more interesting quotes.

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(05-27-2020 02:15 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  Interesting article with some even more interesting quotes.

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Well, as much as we Tiger fans hate the NCAA, this article is based on the P5 schools breaking away and forming their own association to replace the NCAA. Raise your hand if you think that Memphis comes out well if that happens. The article does mention the "P6" status of the AAC, but personally, I don't see why the top 65 schools would voluntarily agree to split the pie into more, smaller pieces.

The only plus I would see in this scenario is the current success of Memphis Tiger football. Imagine if something like this had occurred during the Larry Porter years. We could have been that kid left standing when the captains chose up sides. At least now we can tout our status as a Top 25 program to end the 2019 season. And, playing for our conference championship 3 years in a row is another plus.

I remember Jackie Sherrill predicting in a radio interview years ago that college football would eventually end up with 4 conferences of 20 teams each. If this were to happen, I personally believe that my Tigers have done enough to be included in the top 80 teams. I'm hoping that despite how I pulled for Tommy West in that on-field confrontation he had with Sherrill concerning Joe Lee Dunn, that Sherrill will turn out to be accurate on this topic.
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RE: End of the NCAA?
I think we get the call to join the top 80 programs.

If they do 65... probably okay.

40 or less... we are on our own.
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RE: End of the NCAA?
(05-27-2020 02:52 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 02:15 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  Interesting article with some even more interesting quotes.

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Well, as much as we Tiger fans hate the NCAA, this article is based on the P5 schools breaking away and forming their own association to replace the NCAA. Raise your hand if you think that Memphis comes out well if that happens. The article does mention the "P6" status of the AAC, but personally, I don't see why the top 65 schools would voluntarily agree to split the pie into more, smaller pieces.

Semantics, maybe. But it's not "the top 65 schools". It's the P5. Programs like Old Miss, Miss State, Vandy, Iowa State, Purdue, Baylor, Dook, Rutgers, etc. just happen to know the secret password. They are being drug along.
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RE: End of the NCAA?
(05-27-2020 03:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 02:52 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 02:15 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  Interesting article with some even more interesting quotes.

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Well, as much as we Tiger fans hate the NCAA, this article is based on the P5 schools breaking away and forming their own association to replace the NCAA. Raise your hand if you think that Memphis comes out well if that happens. The article does mention the "P6" status of the AAC, but personally, I don't see why the top 65 schools would voluntarily agree to split the pie into more, smaller pieces.



Semantics, maybe. But it's not "the top 65 schools". It's the P5. Programs like Old Miss, Miss State, Vandy, Iowa State, Purdue, Baylor, Dook, Rutgers, etc. just happen to know the secret password. They are being drug along.

True, but those 65 have the key to the bank vault where all the TV money is kept. The modified Golden Rule says "He who has the gold, rules". Vandy is not giving up their share of the pie just because Memphis football is better than their program.
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RE: End of the NCAA?
(05-27-2020 02:52 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 02:15 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  Interesting article with some even more interesting quotes.

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Well, as much as we Tiger fans hate the NCAA, this article is based on the P5 schools breaking away and forming their own association to replace the NCAA. Raise your hand if you think that Memphis comes out well if that happens. The article does mention the "P6" status of the AAC, but personally, I don't see why the top 65 schools would voluntarily agree to split the pie into more, smaller pieces.

The only plus I would see in this scenario is the current success of Memphis Tiger football. Imagine if something like this had occurred during the Larry Porter years. We could have been that kid left standing when the captains chose up sides. At least now we can tout our status as a Top 25 program to end the 2019 season. And, playing for our conference championship 3 years in a row is another plus.

I remember Jackie Sherrill predicting in a radio interview years ago that college football would eventually end up with 4 conferences of 20 teams each. If this were to happen, I personally believe that my Tigers have done enough to be included in the top 80 teams. I'm hoping that despite how I pulled for Tommy West in that on-field confrontation he had with Sherrill concerning Joe Lee Dunn, that Sherrill will turn out to be accurate on this topic.

If this statement were to be true I think we would be fine.
Quote:Don't necessarily think of those 65 schools would be completely alone. They'd most likely have to play somebody. Think about a group of, say, the top 90 or 100 schools to enhance scheduling and a television contract.
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RE: End of the NCAA?
They need to threaten their non-profit status. That is the only possible leverage that the NCAA might possess if the P5 tries to break away.
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Conference affiliation is the key.
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Would be a perfect opportunity to shuffle the deck, leave behind some of the P5 bottom feeders and add G5 schools with more upside.
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If we want to keep some of the more talented players in college, the NCAA has to go.
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Word on the street the ncaa is killing the goose that lays the golden egg
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(05-27-2020 02:15 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  Interesting article with some even more interesting quotes.

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He lost me when he said the economy is tanking.
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RE: End of the NCAA?
(05-27-2020 03:59 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 02:52 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 02:15 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  Interesting article with some even more interesting quotes.

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Well, as much as we Tiger fans hate the NCAA, this article is based on the P5 schools breaking away and forming their own association to replace the NCAA. Raise your hand if you think that Memphis comes out well if that happens. The article does mention the "P6" status of the AAC, but personally, I don't see why the top 65 schools would voluntarily agree to split the pie into more, smaller pieces.

The only plus I would see in this scenario is the current success of Memphis Tiger football. Imagine if something like this had occurred during the Larry Porter years. We could have been that kid left standing when the captains chose up sides. At least now we can tout our status as a Top 25 program to end the 2019 season. And, playing for our conference championship 3 years in a row is another plus.

I remember Jackie Sherrill predicting in a radio interview years ago that college football would eventually end up with 4 conferences of 20 teams each. If this were to happen, I personally believe that my Tigers have done enough to be included in the top 80 teams. I'm hoping that despite how I pulled for Tommy West in that on-field confrontation he had with Sherrill concerning Joe Lee Dunn, that Sherrill will turn out to be accurate on this topic.

If this statement were to be true I think we would be fine.
Quote:Don't necessarily think of those 65 schools would be completely alone. They'd most likely have to play somebody. Think about a group of, say, the top 90 or 100 schools to enhance scheduling and a television contract.

I agree though I would like the number to be a little smaller. That 80-team prediction seems better IMO. Then take the top two or four from each conference to make a playoff.

(05-27-2020 04:23 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  Would be a perfect opportunity to shuffle the deck, leave behind some of the P5 bottom feeders and add G5 schools with more upside.

I'd like to see the process just for the drama that would ensue.
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(05-27-2020 03:58 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 03:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 02:52 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 02:15 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  Interesting article with some even more interesting quotes.

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Well, as much as we Tiger fans hate the NCAA, this article is based on the P5 schools breaking away and forming their own association to replace the NCAA. Raise your hand if you think that Memphis comes out well if that happens. The article does mention the "P6" status of the AAC, but personally, I don't see why the top 65 schools would voluntarily agree to split the pie into more, smaller pieces.



Semantics, maybe. But it's not "the top 65 schools". It's the P5. Programs like Old Miss, Miss State, Vandy, Iowa State, Purdue, Baylor, Dook, Rutgers, etc. just happen to know the secret password. They are being drug along.

True, but those 65 have the key to the bank vault where all the TV money is kept. The modified Golden Rule says "He who has the gold, rules". Vandy is not giving up their share of the pie just because Memphis football is better than their program.

TV has the keys to the vault. With no NCAA there is no reason for anyone to give any money to Iowa State, Kansas State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Washington State, Northwestern, Oregon State, Vanderbilt, Rutgers, Purdue and a couple of others. Have exceptions and allow Kansas, Duke, Indiana and Maryland to play D1 basketball.

The P5 won't have the final say. You won't have any of the above schools getting money while Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and BYU are left on the outside.
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(05-27-2020 04:23 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  Would be a perfect opportunity to shuffle the deck, leave behind some of the P5 bottom feeders and add G5 schools with more upside.

I agree, there wouldn't be many, but there are definitely a few P5 schools that have no business in todays college sports spot light. And, maybe not publicly, but a handful, would say they wish they weren't.

5 conferences at 16 each sounds right.

I know this won't happen, but I wish TV money would be divided equally among all participating schools with the NCAA (other other entity) working on the contracts for the good of all concerned. Individual school ticket sales, retail, boosters, local broadcasts and other income would determine the difference in each school's budget.
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The bigger problem with 65 is that it would kill our basketball program; because then no 4 or 5 star kid would want to play for anyone outside the P5.
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JRsec has a pretty interesting view IMO. Taken from another section of the boards. The thread has discussion about what P5 schools might choose to pass on breaking away.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-900127.html

(05-27-2020 03:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 01:48 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  JRsec wrote that article, right?

No, Dodd tossed more bones than I would have. Look, it's just what I hear and when you break down the numbers and look at the legal rulings it is inevitable. By the way, Thompson is an Auburn alum and the company is not readily recognized, but they have a most impressive client list including Coca-Cola and Disney, inclusive of ESPN. He's the one who knew the most about the SEC's new T1 contract and has some really interesting things to say about details yet to come to light.

The guy is definitely well positioned to know what he's talking about.

If the breakaway happens, and I believe it will but not because of the Virus but because of all of the basketball revenue left on the table, and the players rights issues, then it will include, IMO, most of the P5 schools with some bowing out due to the cost and and their unwillingness to comply with less of an amateur status and to enter into an ever growing arms race for the athletes.

So don't think 65 P5 schools, but rather 54 to 60 P5 schools. And don't think all AAC schools but rather 4 to 10 of the top G5 programs inclusive of B.Y.U. in that breakaway. Why?

Networks have been talking for a couple of years about what a self contained upper tier would be worth in per school payouts and it is in the 110-120 million range for football but they don't want dud games. So top G5's and the strongest P5's making up that field is much more likely.

So what Dodd doesn't talk as much about is how we get to that 90 to 100 range without damaging the payouts for football. The answer is the Big East basketball, and perhaps the formation of another Basketball only conference to fill out what would be a breakaway field for a tournament where each school split their portion of the profits annually and in full with the provider. We are talking millions more than what they are getting now. Depending on how deep in the tourney you go we could be talking 30 million range and that's a middle of the road estimate of some of the numbers I've heard tossed around.

Say hello to a lot more revenue for College baseball and softball with their tournaments and world series finals.

And who knows with the NCAA out of the way we may even be able to get more sponsorship for Olympic sports from the IOC and AOC and the corporations that back them.

So none of this is set in stone, but the monetary amounts for a contained football product will likely be a governor over how many make it into the final cut for football. Basketball only schools will get in on merit and from there we might have to see the same thing for baseball schools like Cal State Fullerton, Dallas Baptist, and Missouri State.

But none of this is motivated against the G5, but rather motivated out of a growing need for operating capital due to players rights coming down the road and the impact of the virus driving the need to more acute levels.
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(05-27-2020 03:12 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  I think we get the call to join the top 80 programs.

If they do 65... probably okay.

40 or less... we are on our own.

We don't get the call at 65 as there are already 70 schools in the P5
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I think a small number of schools might not go. Vanderbilt, Stanford, and Wake Forrest come to mind. West Virginia has money problems. A few other "academic" institutions might follow if Vandy went first.
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(05-28-2020 01:09 PM)billards06 Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 03:12 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  I think we get the call to join the top 80 programs.

If they do 65... probably okay.

40 or less... we are on our own.

We don't get the call at 65 as there are already 70 schools in the P5

If this is driven by money, why would they be content with the same ol same ol? They would absolutely want to maximize profits and I could see more realignment. In that scenario, I don’t think every P5 school makes the cut. It has happened before. When the Southwest Conference merged with the Big 8, Houston, TCU, SMU and Rice were all kicked to the curb.

If they want the schools with the most upside, I think several G5 schools would warrant a look. As a law pointed out, a lot of things could happen.
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