(05-27-2020 11:06 AM)mpleafan Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 01:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 10:32 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  From what I could find, he had interest from Memphis, Ole Miss, Colorado State, and BYU. Many are surprised he didn’t go to a high major, with the numbers he put up as a true freshman. I’m not sure how Murphy got him, but I’m not complaining. 3 years to play and I bet he gets immediate eligibility.

Holy Cross is in the non-scholarship Patriot League.

I don't know if that factors in.

Heads up, but Basketball is scholarship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Le...holarships

Yep. Good info. I remember Bucknell when it was non-scholarship for MBB. That was a while ago (2009).

File this one under the title of SMALL WORLD. I play in a golf league on Thursday night and one of my opponents was wearing a Jackson High Basketball polo shirt. Milton Barnes is the coach there now and I mentioned how he was the last EMU coach to get to a NCAA tournament. He stated that he deeply admires Barnes but stated that his son is transferring to EMU to play basketball for Murphy.

My opponent is a principal at Ann Arbor Pioneer High and his name is Tre' Lowder. Yep, he is Drew's father and a very high caliber individual. He said that Holy Cross has assisted the transfer in every way and he suspects that his eligibility will be immediate.

Murphy is, in my opinion, a HORRIBLE X and O coach but he does get quality athletes to come to Ypsilanti.

(05-28-2020 08:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  File this one under the title of SMALL WORLD. I play in a golf league on Thursday night and one of my opponents was wearing a Jackson High Basketball polo shirt. Milton Barnes is the coach there now and I mentioned how he was the last EMU coach to get to a NCAA tournament. He stated that he deeply admires Barnes but stated that his son is transferring to EMU to play basketball for Murphy.

My opponent is a principal at Ann Arbor Pioneer High and his name is Tre' Lowder. Yep, he is Drew's father and a very high caliber individual. He said that Holy Cross has assisted the transfer in every way and he suspects that his eligibility will be immediate.

Murphy is, in my opinion, a HORRIBLE X and O coach but he does get quality athletes to come to Ypsilanti.

I saw Barnes coach against Lincoln this year. Still can't stand him.

(05-28-2020 08:21 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 08:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  File this one under the title of SMALL WORLD. I play in a golf league on Thursday night and one of my opponents was wearing a Jackson High Basketball polo shirt. Milton Barnes is the coach there now and I mentioned how he was the last EMU coach to get to a NCAA tournament. He stated that he deeply admires Barnes but stated that his son is transferring to EMU to play basketball for Murphy.

My opponent is a principal at Ann Arbor Pioneer High and his name is Tre' Lowder. Yep, he is Drew's father and a very high caliber individual. He said that Holy Cross has assisted the transfer in every way and he suspects that his eligibility will be immediate.

Murphy is, in my opinion, a HORRIBLE X and O coach but he does get quality athletes to come to Ypsilanti.

I saw Barnes coach against Lincoln this year. Still can't stand him.

I get what you’re saying, but he’s a better coach than Murphy.

(05-28-2020 08:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  File this one under the title of SMALL WORLD. I play in a golf league on Thursday night and one of my opponents was wearing a Jackson High Basketball polo shirt. Milton Barnes is the coach there now and I mentioned how he was the last EMU coach to get to a NCAA tournament. He stated that he deeply admires Barnes but stated that his son is transferring to EMU to play basketball for Murphy.

My opponent is a principal at Ann Arbor Pioneer High and his name is Tre' Lowder. Yep, he is Drew's father and a very high caliber individual. He said that Holy Cross has assisted the transfer in every way and he suspects that his eligibility will be immediate.

Murphy is, in my opinion, a HORRIBLE X and O coach but he does get quality athletes to come to Ypsilanti.

Well done, sir!!

(05-28-2020 10:10 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 08:21 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 08:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  File this one under the title of SMALL WORLD. I play in a golf league on Thursday night and one of my opponents was wearing a Jackson High Basketball polo shirt. Milton Barnes is the coach there now and I mentioned how he was the last EMU coach to get to a NCAA tournament. He stated that he deeply admires Barnes but stated that his son is transferring to EMU to play basketball for Murphy.

My opponent is a principal at Ann Arbor Pioneer High and his name is Tre' Lowder. Yep, he is Drew's father and a very high caliber individual. He said that Holy Cross has assisted the transfer in every way and he suspects that his eligibility will be immediate.

Murphy is, in my opinion, a HORRIBLE X and O coach but he does get quality athletes to come to Ypsilanti.

I saw Barnes coach against Lincoln this year. Still can't stand him.

I get what you’re saying, but he’s a better coach than Murphy.

My old Ann Arbor News contacts (when they covered EMU) informed me that Milton was a "walking NCAA violation". Apparently Milt had a history at Minnesota before EMU and his tenure at EMU had a foul fragrance as well.

(05-30-2020 04:29 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:10 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 08:21 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 08:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  File this one under the title of SMALL WORLD. I play in a golf league on Thursday night and one of my opponents was wearing a Jackson High Basketball polo shirt. Milton Barnes is the coach there now and I mentioned how he was the last EMU coach to get to a NCAA tournament. He stated that he deeply admires Barnes but stated that his son is transferring to EMU to play basketball for Murphy.

My opponent is a principal at Ann Arbor Pioneer High and his name is Tre' Lowder. Yep, he is Drew's father and a very high caliber individual. He said that Holy Cross has assisted the transfer in every way and he suspects that his eligibility will be immediate.

Murphy is, in my opinion, a HORRIBLE X and O coach but he does get quality athletes to come to Ypsilanti.

I saw Barnes coach against Lincoln this year. Still can't stand him.

I get what you’re saying, but he’s a better coach than Murphy.

My old Ann Arbor News contacts (when they covered EMU) informed me that Milton was a "walking NCAA violation". Apparently Milt had a history at Minnesota before EMU and his tenure at EMU had a foul fragrance as well.

He destroyed the Braun program. Inherited a great team and had a new arena on the way. But he couldn't recruit.

(05-31-2020 09:06 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 04:29 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:10 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 08:21 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 08:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  File this one under the title of SMALL WORLD. I play in a golf league on Thursday night and one of my opponents was wearing a Jackson High Basketball polo shirt. Milton Barnes is the coach there now and I mentioned how he was the last EMU coach to get to a NCAA tournament. He stated that he deeply admires Barnes but stated that his son is transferring to EMU to play basketball for Murphy.

My opponent is a principal at Ann Arbor Pioneer High and his name is Tre' Lowder. Yep, he is Drew's father and a very high caliber individual. He said that Holy Cross has assisted the transfer in every way and he suspects that his eligibility will be immediate.

Murphy is, in my opinion, a HORRIBLE X and O coach but he does get quality athletes to come to Ypsilanti.

I saw Barnes coach against Lincoln this year. Still can't stand him.

I get what you’re saying, but he’s a better coach than Murphy.

My old Ann Arbor News contacts (when they covered EMU) informed me that Milton was a "walking NCAA violation". Apparently Milt had a history at Minnesota before EMU and his tenure at EMU had a foul fragrance as well.

He destroyed the Braun program. Inherited a great team and had a new arena on the way. But he couldn't recruit.

I don't agree, he brought in Adam Hess, Antonio Gates, Ryan Prillman, Calvin Warner and CJ Grantham 1999-2000. Hess averaged almost 10 points as a true frosh and Grantham averaged almost 9 points as a true frosh. Of course after that season, Gates, Warner Hess and Grantham all left under Boone. That year he was 15-13. Next year under Boone we were 3-25. This doesn't mean Barnes was a good person and we should have kept him.

(05-31-2020 09:16 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:06 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 04:29 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:10 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 08:21 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  I saw Barnes coach against Lincoln this year. Still can't stand him.

I get what you’re saying, but he’s a better coach than Murphy.

My old Ann Arbor News contacts (when they covered EMU) informed me that Milton was a "walking NCAA violation". Apparently Milt had a history at Minnesota before EMU and his tenure at EMU had a foul fragrance as well.

He destroyed the Braun program. Inherited a great team and had a new arena on the way. But he couldn't recruit.

I don't agree, he brought in Adam Hess, Antonio Gates, Ryan Prillman, Calvin Warner and CJ Grantham 1999-2000. Hess averaged almost 10 points as a true frosh and Grantham averaged almost 9 points as a true frosh. Of course after that season, Gates, Warner Hess and Grantham all left under Boone. That year he was 15-13. Next year under Boone we were 3-25. This doesn't mean Barnes was a good person and we should have kept him.

Yes, he brought in some good players in 99-00, but he brought in nothing in 97 and 98. As soon as Boykins and Co were gone the team went south fast. I think they only won about 5 games in the 98-99 season. Barnes' failure to recruit with a red hot team and a new arena launched the program into a rebuild mode that feels like we're still getting out of.

(05-31-2020 04:17 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:16 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:06 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 04:29 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:10 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I get what you’re saying, but he’s a better coach than Murphy.

My old Ann Arbor News contacts (when they covered EMU) informed me that Milton was a "walking NCAA violation". Apparently Milt had a history at Minnesota before EMU and his tenure at EMU had a foul fragrance as well.

He destroyed the Braun program. Inherited a great team and had a new arena on the way. But he couldn't recruit.

I don't agree, he brought in Adam Hess, Antonio Gates, Ryan Prillman, Calvin Warner and CJ Grantham 1999-2000. Hess averaged almost 10 points as a true frosh and Grantham averaged almost 9 points as a true frosh. Of course after that season, Gates, Warner Hess and Grantham all left under Boone. That year he was 15-13. Next year under Boone we were 3-25. This doesn't mean Barnes was a good person and we should have kept him.

Yes, he brought in some good players in 99-00, but he brought in nothing in 97 and 98. As soon as Boykins and Co were gone the team went south fast. I think they only won about 5 games in the 98-99 season. Barnes' failure to recruit with a red hot team and a new arena launched the program into a rebuild mode that feels like we're still getting out of.

He still won 15 games with 2 true frosh and one sophomore and then we fired him. Our hole was dug by Boone who cost the program scholarships.

(05-31-2020 05:49 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:17 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:16 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:06 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 04:29 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  My old Ann Arbor News contacts (when they covered EMU) informed me that Milton was a "walking NCAA violation". Apparently Milt had a history at Minnesota before EMU and his tenure at EMU had a foul fragrance as well.

He destroyed the Braun program. Inherited a great team and had a new arena on the way. But he couldn't recruit.

I don't agree, he brought in Adam Hess, Antonio Gates, Ryan Prillman, Calvin Warner and CJ Grantham 1999-2000. Hess averaged almost 10 points as a true frosh and Grantham averaged almost 9 points as a true frosh. Of course after that season, Gates, Warner Hess and Grantham all left under Boone. That year he was 15-13. Next year under Boone we were 3-25. This doesn't mean Barnes was a good person and we should have kept him.

Yes, he brought in some good players in 99-00, but he brought in nothing in 97 and 98. As soon as Boykins and Co were gone the team went south fast. I think they only won about 5 games in the 98-99 season. Barnes' failure to recruit with a red hot team and a new arena launched the program into a rebuild mode that feels like we're still getting out of.

He still won 15 games with 2 true frosh and one sophomore and then we fired him. Our hole was dug by Boone who cost the program scholarships.

The enduring question is who was EMU's worst revenue sports coach in recent history? Jim Boone or Ron English?

(05-31-2020 06:11 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 05:49 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:17 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:16 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:06 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  He destroyed the Braun program. Inherited a great team and had a new arena on the way. But he couldn't recruit.

I don't agree, he brought in Adam Hess, Antonio Gates, Ryan Prillman, Calvin Warner and CJ Grantham 1999-2000. Hess averaged almost 10 points as a true frosh and Grantham averaged almost 9 points as a true frosh. Of course after that season, Gates, Warner Hess and Grantham all left under Boone. That year he was 15-13. Next year under Boone we were 3-25. This doesn't mean Barnes was a good person and we should have kept him.

Yes, he brought in some good players in 99-00, but he brought in nothing in 97 and 98. As soon as Boykins and Co were gone the team went south fast. I think they only won about 5 games in the 98-99 season. Barnes' failure to recruit with a red hot team and a new arena launched the program into a rebuild mode that feels like we're still getting out of.

He still won 15 games with 2 true frosh and one sophomore and then we fired him. Our hole was dug by Boone who cost the program scholarships.

The enduring question is who was EMU's worst revenue sports coach in recent history? Jim Boone or Ron English?

English won a MAC Coach of the Year, so Boone. Could probably mention Jeff Woodruff in that conversation, possibly Charles Ramsey. Lots of good candidates to choose from! In terms of underachieving, the Murph deserves a mention.

(06-01-2020 07:44 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 06:11 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 05:49 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:17 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:16 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I don't agree, he brought in Adam Hess, Antonio Gates, Ryan Prillman, Calvin Warner and CJ Grantham 1999-2000. Hess averaged almost 10 points as a true frosh and Grantham averaged almost 9 points as a true frosh. Of course after that season, Gates, Warner Hess and Grantham all left under Boone. That year he was 15-13. Next year under Boone we were 3-25. This doesn't mean Barnes was a good person and we should have kept him.

Yes, he brought in some good players in 99-00, but he brought in nothing in 97 and 98. As soon as Boykins and Co were gone the team went south fast. I think they only won about 5 games in the 98-99 season. Barnes' failure to recruit with a red hot team and a new arena launched the program into a rebuild mode that feels like we're still getting out of.

He still won 15 games with 2 true frosh and one sophomore and then we fired him. Our hole was dug by Boone who cost the program scholarships.

The enduring question is who was EMU's worst revenue sports coach in recent history? Jim Boone or Ron English?

English won a MAC Coach of the Year, so Boone. Could probably mention Jeff Woodruff in that conversation, possibly Charles Ramsey. Lots of good candidates to choose from! In terms of underachieving, the Murph deserves a mention.

Mike Stock football Ray Scott basketball

(06-01-2020 08:11 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 07:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 07:44 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 06:11 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 05:49 PM)emu79 Wrote:  He still won 15 games with 2 true frosh and one sophomore and then we fired him. Our hole was dug by Boone who cost the program scholarships.

Not sure the criteria but may not be 'recent' enough.

The enduring question is who was EMU's worst revenue sports coach in recent history? Jim Boone or Ron English?

English won a MAC Coach of the Year, so Boone. Could probably mention Jeff Woodruff in that conversation, possibly Charles Ramsey. Lots of good candidates to choose from! In terms of underachieving, the Murph deserves a mention.

Mike Stock football Ray Scott basketball

Not sure of the criteria but may not be 'recent' enough.

(05-31-2020 05:49 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:17 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:16 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:06 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 04:29 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  My old Ann Arbor News contacts (when they covered EMU) informed me that Milton was a "walking NCAA violation". Apparently Milt had a history at Minnesota before EMU and his tenure at EMU had a foul fragrance as well.

He destroyed the Braun program. Inherited a great team and had a new arena on the way. But he couldn't recruit.

I don't agree, he brought in Adam Hess, Antonio Gates, Ryan Prillman, Calvin Warner and CJ Grantham 1999-2000. Hess averaged almost 10 points as a true frosh and Grantham averaged almost 9 points as a true frosh. Of course after that season, Gates, Warner Hess and Grantham all left under Boone. That year he was 15-13. Next year under Boone we were 3-25. This doesn't mean Barnes was a good person and we should have kept him.

Yes, he brought in some good players in 99-00, but he brought in nothing in 97 and 98. As soon as Boykins and Co were gone the team went south fast. I think they only won about 5 games in the 98-99 season. Barnes' failure to recruit with a red hot team and a new arena launched the program into a rebuild mode that feels like we're still getting out of.

He still won 15 games with 2 true frosh and one sophomore and then we fired him. Our hole was dug by Boone who cost the program scholarships.

As Jerry has been hinting. There were problems in the EMU MBB program during the time of Barnes.

Barnes was let go because of these problems. I think the 'technical' terms was 'not renewed.'

Players around 2000 left because of these problems. I don't want to say more publicly. It is believed that because of these problems they left regardless of the stated reason for leaving.

Boone walked into a very bad situation. What was publicly known and was known by insiders were very different.

Dr. Shelton made two huge mistakes, first doing away with "Hurons" rather than trying to keep it and changing the logo. The second was hiring Barnes.

In those days I knew parents, etc. Believe it or not, one who knew me, called me at home and discussed the problems in the program.

(P.S. I have a signed copy of Sports Illustrated with the article on Boykins. Got it signed in Dec. 1997 (up at Syracuse) by Earl, Derrick, James, Nink, Jon, etc. Some day it belongs in Halle Library or the Convo.

(06-01-2020 08:12 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 08:11 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 07:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 07:44 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 06:11 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Not sure the criteria but may not be 'recent' enough.

The enduring question is who was EMU's worst revenue sports coach in recent history? Jim Boone or Ron English?

English won a MAC Coach of the Year, so Boone. Could probably mention Jeff Woodruff in that conversation, possibly Charles Ramsey. Lots of good candidates to choose from! In terms of underachieving, the Murph deserves a mention.

Mike Stock football Ray Scott basketball

Not sure of the criteria but may not be 'recent' enough.

All time worse Bob that's the criteria Stock had a 27 game losing streak

(06-01-2020 08:23 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 05:49 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:17 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:16 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 09:06 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  He destroyed the Braun program. Inherited a great team and had a new arena on the way. But he couldn't recruit.

I don't agree, he brought in Adam Hess, Antonio Gates, Ryan Prillman, Calvin Warner and CJ Grantham 1999-2000. Hess averaged almost 10 points as a true frosh and Grantham averaged almost 9 points as a true frosh. Of course after that season, Gates, Warner Hess and Grantham all left under Boone. That year he was 15-13. Next year under Boone we were 3-25. This doesn't mean Barnes was a good person and we should have kept him.

Yes, he brought in some good players in 99-00, but he brought in nothing in 97 and 98. As soon as Boykins and Co were gone the team went south fast. I think they only won about 5 games in the 98-99 season. Barnes' failure to recruit with a red hot team and a new arena launched the program into a rebuild mode that feels like we're still getting out of.

He still won 15 games with 2 true frosh and one sophomore and then we fired him. Our hole was dug by Boone who cost the program scholarships.

As Jerry has been hinting. There were problems in the EMU MBB program during the time of Barnes.

Barnes was let go because of these problems. I think the 'technical' terms was 'not renewed.'

Players around 2000 left because of these problems. I don't want to say more publicly. It is believed that because of these problems they left regardless of the stated reason for leaving.

Boone walked into a very bad situation. What was publicly known and was known by insiders were very different.

And he left EMU basketball in a bad situation we had the low APR which Ramsey cleaned up

Dear Friends,
Wasn't it President Shelton (as mentioned by steve) who hired Diles as athletic director, who hired some of the coaches mentioned here?
As Bob Wickersham mentioned Woodruff, who gave scholarships to seven players from Romulus High School. Are you kidding. Most high schools may have a few Division One players, but seven. There's a coach that obviously had no clue.

(06-01-2020 08:48 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Wasn't it President Shelton (as mentioned by steve) who hired Diles as athletic director, who hired some of the coaches mentioned here?
As Bob Wickersham mentioned Woodruff, who gave scholarships to seven players from Romulus High School. Are you kidding. Most high schools may have a few Division One players, but seven. There's a coach that obviously had no clue.

As I was told, Barnes was the personal choice of VP Harris, who held sway with Dr. Shelton. This was surprising that the Minnesota team was in big trouble with the NCAA. Barnes was a big recruiter for them.

RE: Woodruff. Diles apparently wanted Fred Jackson and maybe some one else. He got turned down a few times before hiring Woodruff.

Frequently we don't get our top choice. Sometimes it works out (C.C.) and sometimes it doesn't (Woodruff).

I'm sure most here remember that Dino Babers was our #1 choice and had verbally accepted the position before BG came calling and he backed out and took the BG job. He won but quickly left for greener pastures.

I think Lowder will be a breathe of fresh air to a program that has needed a local uplift. And yes just when you think Murphy and staff are "sleeping" recruiting wise is when they usually pull off a coup.

Really like to see us "button" up the last spot. We will be guard heavy next season but I like our scoring and shooting possibilities. Having many of our returnees playing together for a season is a plus. Likewise as many have pointed out Gibson is recovered from ACL should help with rebounding.