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RE: Highest ranked Group of 5 team in the country is....
(05-29-2020 11:27 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
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(05-28-2020 08:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  By starting 23rd----even if we go undefeated (ask UCF)----we will never make the playoffs -(will be lucky to crack top ten)-----If we started off ranked 13th---maybe we make the playoffs. It MATTERS where we start off ranked.

We need a second big non-conference road game, like UT or Missouri to get there.

Nope...

We would need one of our P5 non conference wins to be against a P5 champion or at least another team in contention for the playoff. That is the one path a non P5 has to the playoffs.

Fuente final year was the perfect storm until Ole Miss and Memphis fell apart.

Yep. That’s all we need, provided we win decisively.

But we will never get there without that second non-conference game.
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(05-30-2020 06:28 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Just the top 8 is enough. 1 versus 8 will probably be a blowout since 1 versus 4 often is. If you are #5 or an undefeated G5 you have a legitimate gripe. If you are #9 with an automatic bid to the top G5 and you don't make it, too bad.

An auto bid to the top G5 works in at least one of two ways. It takes bias out of the picture and allows G5 to be ranked fairly throughout the season and takes the guesswork out of the equation. Also, if it so happens that the G5 representative isn't that good, it allows the #1 team in the country almost a bye week; it rewards them for being #1.

.....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?

This is football; nobody and nobody said anything about reducing the field in basketball so your thoughts seem more than a little bit scattered. I'll be a good sport and play along.

In basketball, you can play 3 regular season games in 7 days, 4 conference tournament games in 4 days and then 4 games in as little as 9 days in the NCAA tournament. You don't have that luxury when you can only play 1 game per week.

You may also not have noticed, but NCAA basketball champions play 40 games. You also may not have noticed but football players get injured a lot more than basketball players do.

To summarize your argument, you are saying that the national champion in football should have to win 6 games, correct?

Yep college basketball champions play 40 games, and college football champions play 15 games. With a 16 team playoff the football champion would play 17 games. With the quarterfinals 4 games played on Jan 1 the national championship game would be played between Jan 15 and 20. Most teams would still play 12 or 13 games, and all but 4 teams would play 15 or fewer games. Get your head around that.

More Importantly get your head around having the first National Champion of College Football. If every team that tees it up in the first week of the season doesn't have a chance at winning the title there is no national champion. There is only an invitational champion just like every winner of any bowl game.

Wouldn't you really rather have a national champion?

It took them forever to go from 2 to 4. Now you think they will go for a 16 or 17 game schedule? Obviously, they don't since they haven't come close to that.

At 16 including all the conference champs, more than likely you have fully 6 to 8 schools being weaker than schools that get in. It makes no sense.
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RE: Highest ranked Group of 5 team in the country is....
(05-30-2020 10:43 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 06:28 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Just the top 8 is enough. 1 versus 8 will probably be a blowout since 1 versus 4 often is. If you are #5 or an undefeated G5 you have a legitimate gripe. If you are #9 with an automatic bid to the top G5 and you don't make it, too bad.

An auto bid to the top G5 works in at least one of two ways. It takes bias out of the picture and allows G5 to be ranked fairly throughout the season and takes the guesswork out of the equation. Also, if it so happens that the G5 representative isn't that good, it allows the #1 team in the country almost a bye week; it rewards them for being #1.

.....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?

This is football; nobody and nobody said anything about reducing the field in basketball so your thoughts seem more than a little bit scattered. I'll be a good sport and play along.

In basketball, you can play 3 regular season games in 7 days, 4 conference tournament games in 4 days and then 4 games in as little as 9 days in the NCAA tournament. You don't have that luxury when you can only play 1 game per week.

You may also not have noticed, but NCAA basketball champions play 40 games. You also may not have noticed but football players get injured a lot more than basketball players do.

To summarize your argument, you are saying that the national champion in football should have to win 6 games, correct?

Yep college basketball champions play 40 games, and college football champions play 15 games. With a 16 team playoff the football champion would play 17 games. With the quarterfinals 4 games played on Jan 1 the national championship game would be played between Jan 15 and 20. Most teams would still play 12 or 13 games, and all but 4 teams would play 15 or fewer games. Get your head around that.

More Importantly get your head around having the first National Champion of College Football. If every team that tees it up in the first week of the season doesn't have a chance at winning the title there is no national champion. There is only an invitational champion just like every winner of any bowl game.

Wouldn't you really rather have a national champion?

It took them forever to go from 2 to 4. Now you think they will go for a 16 or 17 game schedule? Obviously, they don't since they haven't come close to that.

At 16 including all the conference champs, more than likely you have fully 6 to 8 schools being weaker than schools that get in. It makes no sense.

In ALL/ANY/EVERY sports playoffs---there are teams that are weaker than others--I think thats why they have seedings. After that "WEAKER" statement you made -I feel that I have been trolled---you can't be serious. BROADWAY JOE---covered that 16/18 points-----TOJO beat ROUGHHOUSE---I wonder what their seeding was. Again hail to the underdog ---why screw LIL OLE MEMPHIS TIGERS out of their shot. Tell the truth---when LIL OLE MEMPHIS is playing on TV at the same time the COMMUNIST are playing ga/fl/ala/aub/ole pizz ---who are you watching on TV ?
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(05-30-2020 06:28 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Just the top 8 is enough. 1 versus 8 will probably be a blowout since 1 versus 4 often is. If you are #5 or an undefeated G5 you have a legitimate gripe. If you are #9 with an automatic bid to the top G5 and you don't make it, too bad.

An auto bid to the top G5 works in at least one of two ways. It takes bias out of the picture and allows G5 to be ranked fairly throughout the season and takes the guesswork out of the equation. Also, if it so happens that the G5 representative isn't that good, it allows the #1 team in the country almost a bye week; it rewards them for being #1.

.....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?

This is football; nobody and nobody said anything about reducing the field in basketball so your thoughts seem more than a little bit scattered. I'll be a good sport and play along.

In basketball, you can play 3 regular season games in 7 days, 4 conference tournament games in 4 days and then 4 games in as little as 9 days in the NCAA tournament. You don't have that luxury when you can only play 1 game per week.

You may also not have noticed, but NCAA basketball champions play 40 games. You also may not have noticed but football players get injured a lot more than basketball players do.

To summarize your argument, you are saying that the national champion in football should have to win 6 games, correct?

Yep college basketball champions play 40 games, and college football champions play 15 games. With a 16 team playoff the football champion would play 17 games. With the quarterfinals 4 games played on Jan 1 the national championship game would be played between Jan 15 and 20. Most teams would still play 12 or 13 games, and all but 4 teams would play 15 or fewer games. Get your head around that.

More Importantly get your head around having the first National Champion of College Football. If every team that tees it up in the first week of the season doesn't have a chance at winning the title there is no national champion. There is only an invitational champion just like every winner of any bowl game.

Wouldn't you really rather have a national champion?

Your argument and the other guy's don't make sense. It sounds like a good idea, but it isn't well thought out. Here it is in point form.

- The top 40 teams basketball teams make it, in a 16 team football playoff, only the top 8 or so are sure to have a chance to make it

- In a 68 team tournament, there is room for 20 potential cinderellas. In a 16 team tournament, there isn't. Not when you are eliminating teams in the top 10 prior to it.

- Basketball teams can play up to 4 games a week and 40 games, football the max is 15, which is already a lot

- Going into the CCG schedule LAST YEAR, the #9,10,11,12,14,15,16,18 teams would have been eliminated because they didn't play in the CCG game

- Only 2 teams ranked from 9-16 would have made a 16 team playoff last year.

- Notre Dame #15 eliminated, there would have to be a Notre Dame solution

- If you think right now a lot of players don't play in bowl games, how many do you think will opt out of a potential 4 game playoff? None? 03-lmfao

- In the 1 versus 4 matchup the average margin of victory in the 6 games has been 23.3 points, with the closest game at 11 points. You think it would be interesting to add unranked teams and teams barely ranked?

- The only viable solution that might work would be to eliminate every CCG; which will never happen in 100 years.

- The reason why only the top 8 had a shot last year, is because you can't allow a team into the playoff if they don't play in the CCG and play one less game than everyone else. So your 16 team playoff looks like an 8 team playoff anyway.

LAST YEAR 16 TEAM PLAYOFF (All conference winners plus CCG participant wildcards)
Lots of matchups that will be lopsided, 9 Florida, 10 Penn State, 12 Auburn, 13 Bama, 14 Michigan not eligible

1 LSU - UR Miami, OH
2 Ohio State - UR FAU
3 Clemson - 24 Virginia (rematch of ACC CCG, Clemson won by 44 points)
4 Oklahoma - 20 Appalachian State
5 Georgia - 19 Boise State
6 Oregon - 17 Memphis (GREAT matchup for us!)
7 Baylor - 15 Notre Dame (assume ND joins a league or else ineligible)
8 Wisconsin - 11 Utah

LAST YEAR TOP 8 WITH G5 (Mostly great matchups)
1 LSU - 17 Memphis
2 Ohio State - 7 Baylor
3 Clemson - 6 Oregon
4 Oklahoma - 5 Georgia

16 teams is just too many. Too many games, too much risk of injury, you eliminate many top teams before the CCG, and tons of players won't play in them. 8 is the perfect number. IF you are #4 and getting clobbered by #1 every year, you sure don't have a compelling argument if you are #8 even if you are ranked ahead of the top G5. As I mentioned, the G5 entrant is either worthy, or they are a reward for being the #1 seed.

Did I "get my head around" this and that well enough for you? Let me know, it's super important to me.
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(05-31-2020 12:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 06:28 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Just the top 8 is enough. 1 versus 8 will probably be a blowout since 1 versus 4 often is. If you are #5 or an undefeated G5 you have a legitimate gripe. If you are #9 with an automatic bid to the top G5 and you don't make it, too bad.

An auto bid to the top G5 works in at least one of two ways. It takes bias out of the picture and allows G5 to be ranked fairly throughout the season and takes the guesswork out of the equation. Also, if it so happens that the G5 representative isn't that good, it allows the #1 team in the country almost a bye week; it rewards them for being #1.

.....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?

This is football; nobody and nobody said anything about reducing the field in basketball so your thoughts seem more than a little bit scattered. I'll be a good sport and play along.

In basketball, you can play 3 regular season games in 7 days, 4 conference tournament games in 4 days and then 4 games in as little as 9 days in the NCAA tournament. You don't have that luxury when you can only play 1 game per week.

You may also not have noticed, but NCAA basketball champions play 40 games. You also may not have noticed but football players get injured a lot more than basketball players do.

To summarize your argument, you are saying that the national champion in football should have to win 6 games, correct?

Yep college basketball champions play 40 games, and college football champions play 15 games. With a 16 team playoff the football champion would play 17 games. With the quarterfinals 4 games played on Jan 1 the national championship game would be played between Jan 15 and 20. Most teams would still play 12 or 13 games, and all but 4 teams would play 15 or fewer games. Get your head around that.

More Importantly get your head around having the first National Champion of College Football. If every team that tees it up in the first week of the season doesn't have a chance at winning the title there is no national champion. There is only an invitational champion just like every winner of any bowl game.

Wouldn't you really rather have a national champion?

Your argument and the other guy's don't make sense. It sounds like a good idea, but it isn't well thought out. Here it is in point form.

- The top 40 teams basketball teams make it, in a 16 team football playoff, only the top 8 or so are sure to have a chance to make it

- In a 68 team tournament, there is room for 20 potential cinderellas. In a 16 team tournament, there isn't. Not when you are eliminating teams in the top 10 prior to it.

- Basketball teams can play up to 4 games a week and 40 games, football the max is 15, which is already a lot

- Going into the CCG schedule LAST YEAR, the #9,10,11,12,14,15,16,18 teams would have been eliminated because they didn't play in the CCG game

- Only 2 teams ranked from 9-16 would have made a 16 team playoff last year.

- Notre Dame #15 eliminated, there would have to be a Notre Dame solution

- If you think right now a lot of players don't play in bowl games, how many do you think will opt out of a potential 4 game playoff? None? 03-lmfao

- In the 1 versus 4 matchup the average margin of victory in the 6 games has been 23.3 points, with the closest game at 11 points. You think it would be interesting to add unranked teams and teams barely ranked?

- The only viable solution that might work would be to eliminate every CCG; which will never happen in 100 years.

- The reason why only the top 8 had a shot last year, is because you can't allow a team into the playoff if they don't play in the CCG and play one less game than everyone else. So your 16 team playoff looks like an 8 team playoff anyway.

LAST YEAR 16 TEAM PLAYOFF (All conference winners plus CCG participant wildcards)
Lots of matchups that will be lopsided, 9 Florida, 10 Penn State, 12 Auburn, 13 Bama, 14 Michigan not eligible

1 LSU - UR Miami, OH
2 Ohio State - UR FAU
3 Clemson - 24 Virginia (rematch of ACC CCG, Clemson won by 44 points)
4 Oklahoma - 20 Appalachian State
5 Georgia - 19 Boise State
6 Oregon - 17 Memphis (GREAT matchup for us!)
7 Baylor - 15 Notre Dame (assume ND joins a league or else ineligible)
8 Wisconsin - 11 Utah

LAST YEAR TOP 8 WITH G5 (Mostly great matchups)
1 LSU - 17 Memphis
2 Ohio State - 7 Baylor
3 Clemson - 6 Oregon
4 Oklahoma - 5 Georgia

16 teams is just too many. Too many games, too much risk of injury, you eliminate many top teams before the CCG, and tons of players won't play in them. 8 is the perfect number. IF you are #4 and getting clobbered by #1 every year, you sure don't have a compelling argument if you are #8 even if you are ranked ahead of the top G5. As I mentioned, the G5 entrant is either worthy, or they are a reward for being the #1 seed.

Did I "get my head around" this and that well enough for you? Let me know, it's super important to me.

The other guy don't agree with anything above-----neither does TroyvsLSU---neither does Appalachian St-vs Michigan---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Florida--MEMPHIS TIGERSvsCOMMUNISTS---MEMPHIS TIGERSvs USC---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Alabama--MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Auburn MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Arkansas. Again I think I have been punked---because a MEMPHIS TIGER fan can't have that kind of love for the so-called big guys------MEMPHIS is all UNDERDOG vs the entire country----and you want to give the little guy the shaft.


I also think MOST ALL players will/would play in ALL playoff games-----I also think 20/30 teams make division 2 playoffs ?

Heck even the NO FAIR LEAGUE/MLB--keep adding more of them ole lil weaker teams to their playoffs----BECAUSE it creates EXCITEMENT for teams fans. It gives them AT LEAST A CHANCE for the brass ring. JMO Stammers no biggie .
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Hey Stammers---I forgot about David vs Goliath !
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(05-31-2020 01:27 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 12:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 06:28 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  .....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?

This is football; nobody and nobody said anything about reducing the field in basketball so your thoughts seem more than a little bit scattered. I'll be a good sport and play along.

In basketball, you can play 3 regular season games in 7 days, 4 conference tournament games in 4 days and then 4 games in as little as 9 days in the NCAA tournament. You don't have that luxury when you can only play 1 game per week.

You may also not have noticed, but NCAA basketball champions play 40 games. You also may not have noticed but football players get injured a lot more than basketball players do.

To summarize your argument, you are saying that the national champion in football should have to win 6 games, correct?

Yep college basketball champions play 40 games, and college football champions play 15 games. With a 16 team playoff the football champion would play 17 games. With the quarterfinals 4 games played on Jan 1 the national championship game would be played between Jan 15 and 20. Most teams would still play 12 or 13 games, and all but 4 teams would play 15 or fewer games. Get your head around that.

More Importantly get your head around having the first National Champion of College Football. If every team that tees it up in the first week of the season doesn't have a chance at winning the title there is no national champion. There is only an invitational champion just like every winner of any bowl game.

Wouldn't you really rather have a national champion?

Your argument and the other guy's don't make sense. It sounds like a good idea, but it isn't well thought out. Here it is in point form.

- The top 40 teams basketball teams make it, in a 16 team football playoff, only the top 8 or so are sure to have a chance to make it

- In a 68 team tournament, there is room for 20 potential cinderellas. In a 16 team tournament, there isn't. Not when you are eliminating teams in the top 10 prior to it.

- Basketball teams can play up to 4 games a week and 40 games, football the max is 15, which is already a lot

- Going into the CCG schedule LAST YEAR, the #9,10,11,12,14,15,16,18 teams would have been eliminated because they didn't play in the CCG game

- Only 2 teams ranked from 9-16 would have made a 16 team playoff last year.

- Notre Dame #15 eliminated, there would have to be a Notre Dame solution

- If you think right now a lot of players don't play in bowl games, how many do you think will opt out of a potential 4 game playoff? None? 03-lmfao

- In the 1 versus 4 matchup the average margin of victory in the 6 games has been 23.3 points, with the closest game at 11 points. You think it would be interesting to add unranked teams and teams barely ranked?

- The only viable solution that might work would be to eliminate every CCG; which will never happen in 100 years.

- The reason why only the top 8 had a shot last year, is because you can't allow a team into the playoff if they don't play in the CCG and play one less game than everyone else. So your 16 team playoff looks like an 8 team playoff anyway.

LAST YEAR 16 TEAM PLAYOFF (All conference winners plus CCG participant wildcards)
Lots of matchups that will be lopsided, 9 Florida, 10 Penn State, 12 Auburn, 13 Bama, 14 Michigan not eligible

1 LSU - UR Miami, OH
2 Ohio State - UR FAU
3 Clemson - 24 Virginia (rematch of ACC CCG, Clemson won by 44 points)
4 Oklahoma - 20 Appalachian State
5 Georgia - 19 Boise State
6 Oregon - 17 Memphis (GREAT matchup for us!)
7 Baylor - 15 Notre Dame (assume ND joins a league or else ineligible)
8 Wisconsin - 11 Utah

LAST YEAR TOP 8 WITH G5 (Mostly great matchups)
1 LSU - 17 Memphis
2 Ohio State - 7 Baylor
3 Clemson - 6 Oregon
4 Oklahoma - 5 Georgia

16 teams is just too many. Too many games, too much risk of injury, you eliminate many top teams before the CCG, and tons of players won't play in them. 8 is the perfect number. IF you are #4 and getting clobbered by #1 every year, you sure don't have a compelling argument if you are #8 even if you are ranked ahead of the top G5. As I mentioned, the G5 entrant is either worthy, or they are a reward for being the #1 seed.

Did I "get my head around" this and that well enough for you? Let me know, it's super important to me.

The other guy don't agree with anything above-----neither does TroyvsLSU---neither does Appalachian St-vs Michigan---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Florida--MEMPHIS TIGERSvsCOMMUNISTS---MEMPHIS TIGERSvs USC---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Alabama--MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Auburn MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Arkansas. Again I think I have been punked---because a MEMPHIS TIGER fan can't have that kind of love for the so-called big guys------MEMPHIS is all UNDERDOG vs the entire country----and you want to give the little guy the shaft.


I also think MOST ALL players will/would play in ALL playoff games-----I also think 20/30 teams make division 2 playoffs ?

Heck even the NO FAIR LEAGUE/MLB--keep adding more of them ole lil weaker teams to their playoffs----BECAUSE it creates EXCITEMENT for teams fans. It gives them AT LEAST A CHANCE for the brass ring. JMO Stammers no biggie .

I have no clue wtf you are talking about. Are you really seriously comparing MLB teams who play a 162 game regular season with college football teams that play 12? IF football teams could play 4 games in 8 days like basketball, I would be all for it; the more the merrier. You haven't addressed a single point I made; just a rant about underdogs. I'll shorten it a bit to make it easier for you.

- Do you eliminate every CCG?
- IF the #4 seed loses by an average of 23 points, how do you think a team 50 spots lower than them will fare?
- How do you justify having a 16 team tournament where the #9,10,11,12,14,15,16 are not even involved?

We haven't even talked about ratings. Which games do you think would do better ratings? This is what would happen by eliminating each CCG and going to 16 teams versus the current format and 8 teams.

16 TEAM PLAYOFF
1 LSU - UR Miami, OH
2 Ohio State - UR FAU
3 Clemson - 24 Virginia (rematch of ACC CCG, Clemson won by 44 points)
4 Oklahoma - 20 Appalachian State
5 Georgia - 19 Boise State
6 Oregon - 17 Memphis (GREAT matchup for us!)
7 Baylor - 15 Notre Dame (assume ND joins a league or else ineligible)
8 Wisconsin - 11 Utah

OR
CCG SCHEDULE + 8 TEAM PLAYOFF
5 Utah - 13 Oregon
1 Ohio State - 8 Wisconsin
4 Georgia - 2 LSU
23 Virginia - 3 Clemson
7 Baylor - 6 Oklahoma
20 Cincinnati - 17 Memphis
UR Hawaii - 21 Boise
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1 LSU - 17 Memphis
2 Ohio State - 7 Baylor
3 Clemson - 6 Oregon
4 Oklahoma - 5 Georgia

AGAIN, every #1 versus #4 has been a blowout and 3 out of the 6 #2 versus #3 have had a margin of victory of at least 27 (TWENTY SEVEN) points. 9 out of the 12 games involving the top 4 haven't been competitive. You want to make more of them exponentially less competitive?

None of what you are saying makes any sense.
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Maybe go with 12 teams with first round byes for the top 4.

Would help prevent 1st round blow outs but they will still happen.

Hell there were blowouts with 1 v 2 BCS game and there are blowouts in the current 4 team tournament.
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(05-31-2020 09:30 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Maybe go with 12 teams with first round byes for the top 4.

Would help prevent 1st round blow outs but they will still happen.

Hell there were blowouts with 1 v 2 BCS game and there are blowouts in the current 4 team tournament.

1 v 4
6 games
23.3 point average margin of victory
No game closer than 11 points

2 v 3
6 games
3 games, margin of victory 27,31,38 points

The cream of the crop and 9 out of 12 games with a margin of victory of 11 points or more. 8 out of the 12 games with a margin of victory of 17 points or more.
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When you think of the huge money gap and lack of parity in FBS, sixteen teams does seem a bit of a stretch. I suppose the 85 scholarship rule helped somewhat, but the rich keep getting richer while the poor fall farther behind. This is much less of an issue in FCS, and the NFL is still trying to get it right. FBS doesn’t care.
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(05-30-2020 11:47 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 10:43 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 06:28 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  .....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?

This is football; nobody and nobody said anything about reducing the field in basketball so your thoughts seem more than a little bit scattered. I'll be a good sport and play along.

In basketball, you can play 3 regular season games in 7 days, 4 conference tournament games in 4 days and then 4 games in as little as 9 days in the NCAA tournament. You don't have that luxury when you can only play 1 game per week.

You may also not have noticed, but NCAA basketball champions play 40 games. You also may not have noticed but football players get injured a lot more than basketball players do.

To summarize your argument, you are saying that the national champion in football should have to win 6 games, correct?

Yep college basketball champions play 40 games, and college football champions play 15 games. With a 16 team playoff the football champion would play 17 games. With the quarterfinals 4 games played on Jan 1 the national championship game would be played between Jan 15 and 20. Most teams would still play 12 or 13 games, and all but 4 teams would play 15 or fewer games. Get your head around that.

More Importantly get your head around having the first National Champion of College Football. If every team that tees it up in the first week of the season doesn't have a chance at winning the title there is no national champion. There is only an invitational champion just like every winner of any bowl game.

Wouldn't you really rather have a national champion?

It took them forever to go from 2 to 4. Now you think they will go for a 16 or 17 game schedule? Obviously, they don't since they haven't come close to that.

At 16 including all the conference champs, more than likely you have fully 6 to 8 schools being weaker than schools that get in. It makes no sense.

In ALL/ANY/EVERY sports playoffs---there are teams that are weaker than others--I think thats why they have seedings. After that "WEAKER" statement you made -I feel that I have been trolled---you can't be serious. BROADWAY JOE---covered that 16/18 points-----TOJO beat ROUGHHOUSE---I wonder what their seeding was. Again hail to the underdog ---why screw LIL OLE MEMPHIS TIGERS out of their shot. Tell the truth---when LIL OLE MEMPHIS is playing on TV at the same time the COMMUNIST are playing ga/fl/ala/aub/ole pizz ---who are you watching on TV ?

Memphis every time!!!!
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Ripp Scherer got things rolling, west came in and won with Ripp's players and began to dumb down the
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RE: Highest ranked Group of 5 team in the country is....
(05-31-2020 04:57 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 11:47 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 10:43 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 06:28 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  This is football; nobody and nobody said anything about reducing the field in basketball so your thoughts seem more than a little bit scattered. I'll be a good sport and play along.

In basketball, you can play 3 regular season games in 7 days, 4 conference tournament games in 4 days and then 4 games in as little as 9 days in the NCAA tournament. You don't have that luxury when you can only play 1 game per week.

You may also not have noticed, but NCAA basketball champions play 40 games. You also may not have noticed but football players get injured a lot more than basketball players do.

To summarize your argument, you are saying that the national champion in football should have to win 6 games, correct?

Yep college basketball champions play 40 games, and college football champions play 15 games. With a 16 team playoff the football champion would play 17 games. With the quarterfinals 4 games played on Jan 1 the national championship game would be played between Jan 15 and 20. Most teams would still play 12 or 13 games, and all but 4 teams would play 15 or fewer games. Get your head around that.

More Importantly get your head around having the first National Champion of College Football. If every team that tees it up in the first week of the season doesn't have a chance at winning the title there is no national champion. There is only an invitational champion just like every winner of any bowl game.

Wouldn't you really rather have a national champion?

It took them forever to go from 2 to 4. Now you think they will go for a 16 or 17 game schedule? Obviously, they don't since they haven't come close to that.

At 16 including all the conference champs, more than likely you have fully 6 to 8 schools being weaker than schools that get in. It makes no sense.

In ALL/ANY/EVERY sports playoffs---there are teams that are weaker than others--I think thats why they have seedings. After that "WEAKER" statement you made -I feel that I have been trolled---you can't be serious. BROADWAY JOE---covered that 16/18 points-----TOJO beat ROUGHHOUSE---I wonder what their seeding was. Again hail to the underdog ---why screw LIL OLE MEMPHIS TIGERS out of their shot. Tell the truth---when LIL OLE MEMPHIS is playing on TV at the same time the COMMUNIST are playing ga/fl/ala/aub/ole pizz ---who are you watching on TV ?

Memphis every time!!!!

Yes--- in---deed---eee
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RE: Highest ranked Group of 5 team in the country is....
(05-31-2020 08:51 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 01:27 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 12:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 06:28 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  This is football; nobody and nobody said anything about reducing the field in basketball so your thoughts seem more than a little bit scattered. I'll be a good sport and play along.

In basketball, you can play 3 regular season games in 7 days, 4 conference tournament games in 4 days and then 4 games in as little as 9 days in the NCAA tournament. You don't have that luxury when you can only play 1 game per week.

You may also not have noticed, but NCAA basketball champions play 40 games. You also may not have noticed but football players get injured a lot more than basketball players do.

To summarize your argument, you are saying that the national champion in football should have to win 6 games, correct?

Yep college basketball champions play 40 games, and college football champions play 15 games. With a 16 team playoff the football champion would play 17 games. With the quarterfinals 4 games played on Jan 1 the national championship game would be played between Jan 15 and 20. Most teams would still play 12 or 13 games, and all but 4 teams would play 15 or fewer games. Get your head around that.

More Importantly get your head around having the first National Champion of College Football. If every team that tees it up in the first week of the season doesn't have a chance at winning the title there is no national champion. There is only an invitational champion just like every winner of any bowl game.

Wouldn't you really rather have a national champion?

Your argument and the other guy's don't make sense. It sounds like a good idea, but it isn't well thought out. Here it is in point form.

- The top 40 teams basketball teams make it, in a 16 team football playoff, only the top 8 or so are sure to have a chance to make it

- In a 68 team tournament, there is room for 20 potential cinderellas. In a 16 team tournament, there isn't. Not when you are eliminating teams in the top 10 prior to it.

- Basketball teams can play up to 4 games a week and 40 games, football the max is 15, which is already a lot

- Going into the CCG schedule LAST YEAR, the #9,10,11,12,14,15,16,18 teams would have been eliminated because they didn't play in the CCG game

- Only 2 teams ranked from 9-16 would have made a 16 team playoff last year.

- Notre Dame #15 eliminated, there would have to be a Notre Dame solution

- If you think right now a lot of players don't play in bowl games, how many do you think will opt out of a potential 4 game playoff? None? 03-lmfao

- In the 1 versus 4 matchup the average margin of victory in the 6 games has been 23.3 points, with the closest game at 11 points. You think it would be interesting to add unranked teams and teams barely ranked?

- The only viable solution that might work would be to eliminate every CCG; which will never happen in 100 years.

- The reason why only the top 8 had a shot last year, is because you can't allow a team into the playoff if they don't play in the CCG and play one less game than everyone else. So your 16 team playoff looks like an 8 team playoff anyway.

LAST YEAR 16 TEAM PLAYOFF (All conference winners plus CCG participant wildcards)
Lots of matchups that will be lopsided, 9 Florida, 10 Penn State, 12 Auburn, 13 Bama, 14 Michigan not eligible

1 LSU - UR Miami, OH
2 Ohio State - UR FAU
3 Clemson - 24 Virginia (rematch of ACC CCG, Clemson won by 44 points)
4 Oklahoma - 20 Appalachian State
5 Georgia - 19 Boise State
6 Oregon - 17 Memphis (GREAT matchup for us!)
7 Baylor - 15 Notre Dame (assume ND joins a league or else ineligible)
8 Wisconsin - 11 Utah

LAST YEAR TOP 8 WITH G5 (Mostly great matchups)
1 LSU - 17 Memphis
2 Ohio State - 7 Baylor
3 Clemson - 6 Oregon
4 Oklahoma - 5 Georgia

16 teams is just too many. Too many games, too much risk of injury, you eliminate many top teams before the CCG, and tons of players won't play in them. 8 is the perfect number. IF you are #4 and getting clobbered by #1 every year, you sure don't have a compelling argument if you are #8 even if you are ranked ahead of the top G5. As I mentioned, the G5 entrant is either worthy, or they are a reward for being the #1 seed.

Did I "get my head around" this and that well enough for you? Let me know, it's super important to me.

The other guy don't agree with anything above-----neither does TroyvsLSU---neither does Appalachian St-vs Michigan---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Florida--MEMPHIS TIGERSvsCOMMUNISTS---MEMPHIS TIGERSvs USC---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Alabama--MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Auburn MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Arkansas. Again I think I have been punked---because a MEMPHIS TIGER fan can't have that kind of love for the so-called big guys------MEMPHIS is all UNDERDOG vs the entire country----and you want to give the little guy the shaft.


I also think MOST ALL players will/would play in ALL playoff games-----I also think 20/30 teams make division 2 playoffs ?

Heck even the NO FAIR LEAGUE/MLB--keep adding more of them ole lil weaker teams to their playoffs----BECAUSE it creates EXCITEMENT for teams fans. It gives them AT LEAST A CHANCE for the brass ring. JMO Stammers no biggie .

I have no clue wtf you are talking about. Are you really seriously comparing MLB teams who play a 162 game regular season with college football teams that play 12? IF football teams could play 4 games in 8 days like basketball, I would be all for it; the more the merrier. You haven't addressed a single point I made; just a rant about underdogs. I'll shorten it a bit to make it easier for you.

- Do you eliminate every CCG?
- IF the #4 seed loses by an average of 23 points, how do you think a team 50 spots lower than them will fare?
- How do you justify having a 16 team tournament where the #9,10,11,12,14,15,16 are not even involved?

We haven't even talked about ratings. Which games do you think would do better ratings? This is what would happen by eliminating each CCG and going to 16 teams versus the current format and 8 teams.

16 TEAM PLAYOFF
1 LSU - UR Miami, OH
2 Ohio State - UR FAU
3 Clemson - 24 Virginia (rematch of ACC CCG, Clemson won by 44 points)
4 Oklahoma - 20 Appalachian State
5 Georgia - 19 Boise State
6 Oregon - 17 Memphis (GREAT matchup for us!)
7 Baylor - 15 Notre Dame (assume ND joins a league or else ineligible)
8 Wisconsin - 11 Utah

OR
CCG SCHEDULE + 8 TEAM PLAYOFF
5 Utah - 13 Oregon
1 Ohio State - 8 Wisconsin
4 Georgia - 2 LSU
23 Virginia - 3 Clemson
7 Baylor - 6 Oklahoma
20 Cincinnati - 17 Memphis
UR Hawaii - 21 Boise
+
1 LSU - 17 Memphis
2 Ohio State - 7 Baylor
3 Clemson - 6 Oregon
4 Oklahoma - 5 Georgia

AGAIN, every #1 versus #4 has been a blowout and 3 out of the 6 #2 versus #3 have had a margin of victory of at least 27 (TWENTY SEVEN) points. 9 out of the 12 games involving the top 4 haven't been competitive. You want to make more of them exponentially less competitive?

None of what you are saying makes any sense.

Every sport seems to be adding teams to their playoffs. Usually every year the "No Fair Leagues" NFC/AFC championship games are blowouts . Do you think the NFL should reduce the number of playoff teams ?

My only concern with your position is, you want to cut out the little guys--the MEMPHIS/UCF /BOISE types----who cares about the blowouts ---heck just lay the points. You seem to imply that the so-called power 5 are the only one worthy of the chance for the national championship. Give the little guys a shot----regardless of the odds. Have you personally ever bought a lottery ticket----what were those odds for you----if you have bought that ticket---why do you think you should have a shot at glory but not UCF 2 years ago ?----Hickory vs I don't remember LOL wants to hear from you.

How can you complain about number of playoff teams --when division 2 football has 30 ? playoff teams---do you think the fans of those teams care that some scores could be lopsided ?

I have enjoyed your posts over the years Stammers---and many times have backed you up---but in this we will have to agree to disagree---go MEMPHIS TIGERS----and hey LIL OLE MEMPHIS-- I sure hope one day that you get the CHANCE to cover that 40 point spread in the opening round of the NATIONAL CFB playoffs against one of them big power 5 deserving teams.
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(05-31-2020 07:08 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 04:57 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 11:47 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 10:43 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 06:28 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Yep college basketball champions play 40 games, and college football champions play 15 games. With a 16 team playoff the football champion would play 17 games. With the quarterfinals 4 games played on Jan 1 the national championship game would be played between Jan 15 and 20. Most teams would still play 12 or 13 games, and all but 4 teams would play 15 or fewer games. Get your head around that.

More Importantly get your head around having the first National Champion of College Football. If every team that tees it up in the first week of the season doesn't have a chance at winning the title there is no national champion. There is only an invitational champion just like every winner of any bowl game.

Wouldn't you really rather have a national champion?

It took them forever to go from 2 to 4. Now you think they will go for a 16 or 17 game schedule? Obviously, they don't since they haven't come close to that.

At 16 including all the conference champs, more than likely you have fully 6 to 8 schools being weaker than schools that get in. It makes no sense.

In ALL/ANY/EVERY sports playoffs---there are teams that are weaker than others--I think thats why they have seedings. After that "WEAKER" statement you made -I feel that I have been trolled---you can't be serious. BROADWAY JOE---covered that 16/18 points-----TOJO beat ROUGHHOUSE---I wonder what their seeding was. Again hail to the underdog ---why screw LIL OLE MEMPHIS TIGERS out of their shot. Tell the truth---when LIL OLE MEMPHIS is playing on TV at the same time the COMMUNIST are playing ga/fl/ala/aub/ole pizz ---who are you watching on TV ?

Memphis every time!!!!

Yes--- in---deed---eee

You and buddy "winning" by quoting a Super Bowl from 51 years ago. Incidentally, the Jets were a 16 point underdog in that game. In the playoff era, 5 out of the 6 games between the #1 and #4 team in the country ended with a margin of victory higher than that.

Keep on keeping on though.
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(05-31-2020 07:42 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 08:51 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 01:27 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 12:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-30-2020 06:28 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Yep college basketball champions play 40 games, and college football champions play 15 games. With a 16 team playoff the football champion would play 17 games. With the quarterfinals 4 games played on Jan 1 the national championship game would be played between Jan 15 and 20. Most teams would still play 12 or 13 games, and all but 4 teams would play 15 or fewer games. Get your head around that.

More Importantly get your head around having the first National Champion of College Football. If every team that tees it up in the first week of the season doesn't have a chance at winning the title there is no national champion. There is only an invitational champion just like every winner of any bowl game.

Wouldn't you really rather have a national champion?

Your argument and the other guy's don't make sense. It sounds like a good idea, but it isn't well thought out. Here it is in point form.

- The top 40 teams basketball teams make it, in a 16 team football playoff, only the top 8 or so are sure to have a chance to make it

- In a 68 team tournament, there is room for 20 potential cinderellas. In a 16 team tournament, there isn't. Not when you are eliminating teams in the top 10 prior to it.

- Basketball teams can play up to 4 games a week and 40 games, football the max is 15, which is already a lot

- Going into the CCG schedule LAST YEAR, the #9,10,11,12,14,15,16,18 teams would have been eliminated because they didn't play in the CCG game

- Only 2 teams ranked from 9-16 would have made a 16 team playoff last year.

- Notre Dame #15 eliminated, there would have to be a Notre Dame solution

- If you think right now a lot of players don't play in bowl games, how many do you think will opt out of a potential 4 game playoff? None? 03-lmfao

- In the 1 versus 4 matchup the average margin of victory in the 6 games has been 23.3 points, with the closest game at 11 points. You think it would be interesting to add unranked teams and teams barely ranked?

- The only viable solution that might work would be to eliminate every CCG; which will never happen in 100 years.

- The reason why only the top 8 had a shot last year, is because you can't allow a team into the playoff if they don't play in the CCG and play one less game than everyone else. So your 16 team playoff looks like an 8 team playoff anyway.

LAST YEAR 16 TEAM PLAYOFF (All conference winners plus CCG participant wildcards)
Lots of matchups that will be lopsided, 9 Florida, 10 Penn State, 12 Auburn, 13 Bama, 14 Michigan not eligible

1 LSU - UR Miami, OH
2 Ohio State - UR FAU
3 Clemson - 24 Virginia (rematch of ACC CCG, Clemson won by 44 points)
4 Oklahoma - 20 Appalachian State
5 Georgia - 19 Boise State
6 Oregon - 17 Memphis (GREAT matchup for us!)
7 Baylor - 15 Notre Dame (assume ND joins a league or else ineligible)
8 Wisconsin - 11 Utah

LAST YEAR TOP 8 WITH G5 (Mostly great matchups)
1 LSU - 17 Memphis
2 Ohio State - 7 Baylor
3 Clemson - 6 Oregon
4 Oklahoma - 5 Georgia

16 teams is just too many. Too many games, too much risk of injury, you eliminate many top teams before the CCG, and tons of players won't play in them. 8 is the perfect number. IF you are #4 and getting clobbered by #1 every year, you sure don't have a compelling argument if you are #8 even if you are ranked ahead of the top G5. As I mentioned, the G5 entrant is either worthy, or they are a reward for being the #1 seed.

Did I "get my head around" this and that well enough for you? Let me know, it's super important to me.

The other guy don't agree with anything above-----neither does TroyvsLSU---neither does Appalachian St-vs Michigan---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Florida--MEMPHIS TIGERSvsCOMMUNISTS---MEMPHIS TIGERSvs USC---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Alabama--MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Auburn MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Arkansas. Again I think I have been punked---because a MEMPHIS TIGER fan can't have that kind of love for the so-called big guys------MEMPHIS is all UNDERDOG vs the entire country----and you want to give the little guy the shaft.


I also think MOST ALL players will/would play in ALL playoff games-----I also think 20/30 teams make division 2 playoffs ?

Heck even the NO FAIR LEAGUE/MLB--keep adding more of them ole lil weaker teams to their playoffs----BECAUSE it creates EXCITEMENT for teams fans. It gives them AT LEAST A CHANCE for the brass ring. JMO Stammers no biggie .

I have no clue wtf you are talking about. Are you really seriously comparing MLB teams who play a 162 game regular season with college football teams that play 12? IF football teams could play 4 games in 8 days like basketball, I would be all for it; the more the merrier. You haven't addressed a single point I made; just a rant about underdogs. I'll shorten it a bit to make it easier for you.

- Do you eliminate every CCG?
- IF the #4 seed loses by an average of 23 points, how do you think a team 50 spots lower than them will fare?
- How do you justify having a 16 team tournament where the #9,10,11,12,14,15,16 are not even involved?

We haven't even talked about ratings. Which games do you think would do better ratings? This is what would happen by eliminating each CCG and going to 16 teams versus the current format and 8 teams.

16 TEAM PLAYOFF
1 LSU - UR Miami, OH
2 Ohio State - UR FAU
3 Clemson - 24 Virginia (rematch of ACC CCG, Clemson won by 44 points)
4 Oklahoma - 20 Appalachian State
5 Georgia - 19 Boise State
6 Oregon - 17 Memphis (GREAT matchup for us!)
7 Baylor - 15 Notre Dame (assume ND joins a league or else ineligible)
8 Wisconsin - 11 Utah

OR
CCG SCHEDULE + 8 TEAM PLAYOFF
5 Utah - 13 Oregon
1 Ohio State - 8 Wisconsin
4 Georgia - 2 LSU
23 Virginia - 3 Clemson
7 Baylor - 6 Oklahoma
20 Cincinnati - 17 Memphis
UR Hawaii - 21 Boise
+
1 LSU - 17 Memphis
2 Ohio State - 7 Baylor
3 Clemson - 6 Oregon
4 Oklahoma - 5 Georgia

AGAIN, every #1 versus #4 has been a blowout and 3 out of the 6 #2 versus #3 have had a margin of victory of at least 27 (TWENTY SEVEN) points. 9 out of the 12 games involving the top 4 haven't been competitive. You want to make more of them exponentially less competitive?

None of what you are saying makes any sense.

Every sport seems to be adding teams to their playoffs. Usually every year the "No Fair Leagues" NFC/AFC championship games are blowouts . Do you think the NFL should reduce the number of playoff teams ?

My only concern with your position is, you want to cut out the little guys--the MEMPHIS/UCF /BOISE types----who cares about the blowouts ---heck just lay the points. You seem to imply that the so-called power 5 are the only one worthy of the chance for the national championship. Give the little guys a shot----regardless of the odds. Have you personally ever bought a lottery ticket----what were those odds for you----if you have bought that ticket---why do you think you should have a shot at glory but not UCF 2 years ago ?----Hickory vs I don't remember LOL wants to hear from you.

How can you complain about number of playoff teams --when division 2 football has 30 ? playoff teams---do you think the fans of those teams care that some scores could be lopsided ?

I have enjoyed your posts over the years Stammers---and many times have backed you up---but in this we will have to agree to disagree---go MEMPHIS TIGERS----and hey LIL OLE MEMPHIS-- I sure hope one day that you get the CHANCE to cover that 40 point spread in the opening round of the NATIONAL CFB playoffs against one of them big power 5 deserving teams.

I keep trying to scale it down for you. I really want you to understand so I'll keep trying. Cheerleading aside, you haven't addressed anything that I've talked about.

- HUGE revenue stream from the networks to the conferences for their CCG
- Logistics
- Additional Injuries
- Players opting out of a 4 game playoff

Please try and answer these 3 at least.

- Do you eliminate every CCG?
- IF the #4 seed loses by an average of 23 points, how do you think a team 50 spots lower than them will fare?
- How do you justify having a 16 team tournament where the #9,10,11,12,14,16 are not even involved?

I forgot two very important points...

YOUR COACH LEAVES
That means that you have to have your interim coach and whatever staff you can cobble together, coach a playoff game on one week's notice. As it applies to Memphis, Norvell leaves with the DC and other staff right after the last regular season game, and then you have a week to prepare for a playoff game with a skeleton staff and possibly with players opting out.

HOW MANY CINDERELLAS CAN YOU HAVE?
The #4 team has historically had virtually no chance. If that is the case you can argue that 3/4 of the field has no shot at reaching the final. How do you justify that?
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(05-31-2020 07:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 07:42 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 08:51 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 01:27 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 12:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Your argument and the other guy's don't make sense. It sounds like a good idea, but it isn't well thought out. Here it is in point form.

- The top 40 teams basketball teams make it, in a 16 team football playoff, only the top 8 or so are sure to have a chance to make it

- In a 68 team tournament, there is room for 20 potential cinderellas. In a 16 team tournament, there isn't. Not when you are eliminating teams in the top 10 prior to it.

- Basketball teams can play up to 4 games a week and 40 games, football the max is 15, which is already a lot

- Going into the CCG schedule LAST YEAR, the #9,10,11,12,14,15,16,18 teams would have been eliminated because they didn't play in the CCG game

- Only 2 teams ranked from 9-16 would have made a 16 team playoff last year.

- Notre Dame #15 eliminated, there would have to be a Notre Dame solution

- If you think right now a lot of players don't play in bowl games, how many do you think will opt out of a potential 4 game playoff? None? 03-lmfao

- In the 1 versus 4 matchup the average margin of victory in the 6 games has been 23.3 points, with the closest game at 11 points. You think it would be interesting to add unranked teams and teams barely ranked?

- The only viable solution that might work would be to eliminate every CCG; which will never happen in 100 years.

- The reason why only the top 8 had a shot last year, is because you can't allow a team into the playoff if they don't play in the CCG and play one less game than everyone else. So your 16 team playoff looks like an 8 team playoff anyway.

LAST YEAR 16 TEAM PLAYOFF (All conference winners plus CCG participant wildcards)
Lots of matchups that will be lopsided, 9 Florida, 10 Penn State, 12 Auburn, 13 Bama, 14 Michigan not eligible

1 LSU - UR Miami, OH
2 Ohio State - UR FAU
3 Clemson - 24 Virginia (rematch of ACC CCG, Clemson won by 44 points)
4 Oklahoma - 20 Appalachian State
5 Georgia - 19 Boise State
6 Oregon - 17 Memphis (GREAT matchup for us!)
7 Baylor - 15 Notre Dame (assume ND joins a league or else ineligible)
8 Wisconsin - 11 Utah

LAST YEAR TOP 8 WITH G5 (Mostly great matchups)
1 LSU - 17 Memphis
2 Ohio State - 7 Baylor
3 Clemson - 6 Oregon
4 Oklahoma - 5 Georgia

16 teams is just too many. Too many games, too much risk of injury, you eliminate many top teams before the CCG, and tons of players won't play in them. 8 is the perfect number. IF you are #4 and getting clobbered by #1 every year, you sure don't have a compelling argument if you are #8 even if you are ranked ahead of the top G5. As I mentioned, the G5 entrant is either worthy, or they are a reward for being the #1 seed.

Did I "get my head around" this and that well enough for you? Let me know, it's super important to me.

The other guy don't agree with anything above-----neither does TroyvsLSU---neither does Appalachian St-vs Michigan---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Florida--MEMPHIS TIGERSvsCOMMUNISTS---MEMPHIS TIGERSvs USC---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Alabama--MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Auburn MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Arkansas. Again I think I have been punked---because a MEMPHIS TIGER fan can't have that kind of love for the so-called big guys------MEMPHIS is all UNDERDOG vs the entire country----and you want to give the little guy the shaft.


I also think MOST ALL players will/would play in ALL playoff games-----I also think 20/30 teams make division 2 playoffs ?

Heck even the NO FAIR LEAGUE/MLB--keep adding more of them ole lil weaker teams to their playoffs----BECAUSE it creates EXCITEMENT for teams fans. It gives them AT LEAST A CHANCE for the brass ring. JMO Stammers no biggie .

I have no clue wtf you are talking about. Are you really seriously comparing MLB teams who play a 162 game regular season with college football teams that play 12? IF football teams could play 4 games in 8 days like basketball, I would be all for it; the more the merrier. You haven't addressed a single point I made; just a rant about underdogs. I'll shorten it a bit to make it easier for you.

- Do you eliminate every CCG?
- IF the #4 seed loses by an average of 23 points, how do you think a team 50 spots lower than them will fare?
- How do you justify having a 16 team tournament where the #9,10,11,12,14,15,16 are not even involved?

We haven't even talked about ratings. Which games do you think would do better ratings? This is what would happen by eliminating each CCG and going to 16 teams versus the current format and 8 teams.

16 TEAM PLAYOFF
1 LSU - UR Miami, OH
2 Ohio State - UR FAU
3 Clemson - 24 Virginia (rematch of ACC CCG, Clemson won by 44 points)
4 Oklahoma - 20 Appalachian State
5 Georgia - 19 Boise State
6 Oregon - 17 Memphis (GREAT matchup for us!)
7 Baylor - 15 Notre Dame (assume ND joins a league or else ineligible)
8 Wisconsin - 11 Utah

OR
CCG SCHEDULE + 8 TEAM PLAYOFF
5 Utah - 13 Oregon
1 Ohio State - 8 Wisconsin
4 Georgia - 2 LSU
23 Virginia - 3 Clemson
7 Baylor - 6 Oklahoma
20 Cincinnati - 17 Memphis
UR Hawaii - 21 Boise
+
1 LSU - 17 Memphis
2 Ohio State - 7 Baylor
3 Clemson - 6 Oregon
4 Oklahoma - 5 Georgia

AGAIN, every #1 versus #4 has been a blowout and 3 out of the 6 #2 versus #3 have had a margin of victory of at least 27 (TWENTY SEVEN) points. 9 out of the 12 games involving the top 4 haven't been competitive. You want to make more of them exponentially less competitive?

None of what you are saying makes any sense.

Every sport seems to be adding teams to their playoffs. Usually every year the "No Fair Leagues" NFC/AFC championship games are blowouts . Do you think the NFL should reduce the number of playoff teams ?

My only concern with your position is, you want to cut out the little guys--the MEMPHIS/UCF /BOISE types----who cares about the blowouts ---heck just lay the points. You seem to imply that the so-called power 5 are the only one worthy of the chance for the national championship. Give the little guys a shot----regardless of the odds. Have you personally ever bought a lottery ticket----what were those odds for you----if you have bought that ticket---why do you think you should have a shot at glory but not UCF 2 years ago ?----Hickory vs I don't remember LOL wants to hear from you.

How can you complain about number of playoff teams --when division 2 football has 30 ? playoff teams---do you think the fans of those teams care that some scores could be lopsided ?

I have enjoyed your posts over the years Stammers---and many times have backed you up---but in this we will have to agree to disagree---go MEMPHIS TIGERS----and hey LIL OLE MEMPHIS-- I sure hope one day that you get the CHANCE to cover that 40 point spread in the opening round of the NATIONAL CFB playoffs against one of them big power 5 deserving teams.

I keep trying to scale it down for you. I really want you to understand so I'll keep trying. Cheerleading aside, you haven't addressed anything that I've talked about.

- HUGE revenue stream from the networks to the conferences for their CCG
- Logistics
- Additional Injuries
- Players opting out of a 4 game playoff

Please try and answer these 3 at least.

- Do you eliminate every CCG?
- IF the #4 seed loses by an average of 23 points, how do you think a team 50 spots lower than them will fare?
- How do you justify having a 16 team tournament where the #9,10,11,12,14,16 are not even involved?

I forgot two very important points...

YOUR COACH LEAVES
That means that you have to have your interim coach and whatever staff you can cobble together, coach a playoff game on one week's notice. As it applies to Memphis, Norvell leaves with the DC and other staff right after the last regular season game, and then you have a week to prepare for a playoff game with a skeleton staff and possibly with players opting out.

HOW MANY CINDERELLAS CAN YOU HAVE?
The #4 team has historically had virtually no chance. If that is the case you can argue that 3/4 of the field has no shot at reaching the final. How do you justify that?

My justification is ---They do have a shot---just like you do with your lottery ticket--it may not be a great shot-but a shot non the less -- all UCF wanted was a fightin chance.

Does not division 2 play the same amount of regular season games---and then a 30 team or there about playoff ? ....and again, I contend-- if it is the actual NATIONAL playoffs---opposed to boring bowl games---that most if not all players would play.....but hey maybe Sabin would say "hey--that Stammers guy says LIL OLE MEMPHIS/UCF shouldn't even be here"----so maybe he rests his ENTIRE team against us and I cover that 40--- when they only win by 30 LOL

Oh yea---to answer your 3 questions---A) don't care---- B) I don't care how many points the LIL OLE MEMPHIS TIGERS beat Ohio St by---the more the better---C- D) If LIL OLE MEMPHIS TIGERS had a chance every year to win the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP---I don't think we would still be losing coaches----if the AAC had a guaranteed ticket every year to the FB dance----we would have a better chance than 95% of all so-called power teams to make it. Hell we might even have people lobbying to come coach here. If the AAC gets a ticket---ITS A GAME CHANGER for the LIL OLE MEMPHIS TIGERS !
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(05-31-2020 08:25 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 07:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 07:42 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 08:51 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-31-2020 01:27 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  The other guy don't agree with anything above-----neither does TroyvsLSU---neither does Appalachian St-vs Michigan---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Florida--MEMPHIS TIGERSvsCOMMUNISTS---MEMPHIS TIGERSvs USC---MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Alabama--MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Auburn MEMPHIS TIGERS vs Arkansas. Again I think I have been punked---because a MEMPHIS TIGER fan can't have that kind of love for the so-called big guys------MEMPHIS is all UNDERDOG vs the entire country----and you want to give the little guy the shaft.


I also think MOST ALL players will/would play in ALL playoff games-----I also think 20/30 teams make division 2 playoffs ?

Heck even the NO FAIR LEAGUE/MLB--keep adding more of them ole lil weaker teams to their playoffs----BECAUSE it creates EXCITEMENT for teams fans. It gives them AT LEAST A CHANCE for the brass ring. JMO Stammers no biggie .

I have no clue wtf you are talking about. Are you really seriously comparing MLB teams who play a 162 game regular season with college football teams that play 12? IF football teams could play 4 games in 8 days like basketball, I would be all for it; the more the merrier. You haven't addressed a single point I made; just a rant about underdogs. I'll shorten it a bit to make it easier for you.

- Do you eliminate every CCG?
- IF the #4 seed loses by an average of 23 points, how do you think a team 50 spots lower than them will fare?
- How do you justify having a 16 team tournament where the #9,10,11,12,14,15,16 are not even involved?

We haven't even talked about ratings. Which games do you think would do better ratings? This is what would happen by eliminating each CCG and going to 16 teams versus the current format and 8 teams.

16 TEAM PLAYOFF
1 LSU - UR Miami, OH
2 Ohio State - UR FAU
3 Clemson - 24 Virginia (rematch of ACC CCG, Clemson won by 44 points)
4 Oklahoma - 20 Appalachian State
5 Georgia - 19 Boise State
6 Oregon - 17 Memphis (GREAT matchup for us!)
7 Baylor - 15 Notre Dame (assume ND joins a league or else ineligible)
8 Wisconsin - 11 Utah

OR
CCG SCHEDULE + 8 TEAM PLAYOFF
5 Utah - 13 Oregon
1 Ohio State - 8 Wisconsin
4 Georgia - 2 LSU
23 Virginia - 3 Clemson
7 Baylor - 6 Oklahoma
20 Cincinnati - 17 Memphis
UR Hawaii - 21 Boise
+
1 LSU - 17 Memphis
2 Ohio State - 7 Baylor
3 Clemson - 6 Oregon
4 Oklahoma - 5 Georgia

AGAIN, every #1 versus #4 has been a blowout and 3 out of the 6 #2 versus #3 have had a margin of victory of at least 27 (TWENTY SEVEN) points. 9 out of the 12 games involving the top 4 haven't been competitive. You want to make more of them exponentially less competitive?

None of what you are saying makes any sense.

Every sport seems to be adding teams to their playoffs. Usually every year the "No Fair Leagues" NFC/AFC championship games are blowouts . Do you think the NFL should reduce the number of playoff teams ?

My only concern with your position is, you want to cut out the little guys--the MEMPHIS/UCF /BOISE types----who cares about the blowouts ---heck just lay the points. You seem to imply that the so-called power 5 are the only one worthy of the chance for the national championship. Give the little guys a shot----regardless of the odds. Have you personally ever bought a lottery ticket----what were those odds for you----if you have bought that ticket---why do you think you should have a shot at glory but not UCF 2 years ago ?----Hickory vs I don't remember LOL wants to hear from you.

How can you complain about number of playoff teams --when division 2 football has 30 ? playoff teams---do you think the fans of those teams care that some scores could be lopsided ?

I have enjoyed your posts over the years Stammers---and many times have backed you up---but in this we will have to agree to disagree---go MEMPHIS TIGERS----and hey LIL OLE MEMPHIS-- I sure hope one day that you get the CHANCE to cover that 40 point spread in the opening round of the NATIONAL CFB playoffs against one of them big power 5 deserving teams.

I keep trying to scale it down for you. I really want you to understand so I'll keep trying. Cheerleading aside, you haven't addressed anything that I've talked about.

- HUGE revenue stream from the networks to the conferences for their CCG
- Logistics
- Additional Injuries
- Players opting out of a 4 game playoff

Please try and answer these 3 at least.

- Do you eliminate every CCG?
- IF the #4 seed loses by an average of 23 points, how do you think a team 50 spots lower than them will fare?
- How do you justify having a 16 team tournament where the #9,10,11,12,14,16 are not even involved?

I forgot two very important points...

YOUR COACH LEAVES
That means that you have to have your interim coach and whatever staff you can cobble together, coach a playoff game on one week's notice. As it applies to Memphis, Norvell leaves with the DC and other staff right after the last regular season game, and then you have a week to prepare for a playoff game with a skeleton staff and possibly with players opting out.

HOW MANY CINDERELLAS CAN YOU HAVE?
The #4 team has historically had virtually no chance. If that is the case you can argue that 3/4 of the field has no shot at reaching the final. How do you justify that?

My justification is ---They do have a shot---just like you do with your lottery ticket--it may not be a great shot-but a shot non the less -- all UCF wanted was a fightin chance.

Does not division 2 play the same amount of regular season games---and then a 30 team or there about playoff ? ....and again, I contend-- if it is the actual NATIONAL playoffs---opposed to boring bowl games---that most if not all players would play.....but hey maybe Sabin would say "hey--that Stammers guy says LIL OLE MEMPHIS/UCF shouldn't even be here"----so maybe he rests his ENTIRE team against us and I cover that 40--- when they only win by 30 LOL

With 8 teams UCF gets their shot, so neither I, and more importantly you have a clue what you are talking about. Second, for the 4TH TIME, would you cancel every single CCG?
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(05-31-2020 08:27 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  lmao jsw3cent

it's Saban by the way

LOL thanks K2tigers----my Saban spelling just proves that Stammers is right --I am a IDIOT----GO TIGERS
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