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(05-28-2020 08:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  By starting 23rd----even if we go undefeated (ask UCF)----we will never make the playoffs -(will be lucky to crack top ten)-----If we started off ranked 13th---maybe we make the playoffs. It MATTERS where we start off ranked.

We need a second big non-conference road game, like UT or Missouri to get there.
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(05-28-2020 08:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  By starting 23rd----even if we go undefeated (ask UCF)----we will never make the playoffs -(will be lucky to crack top ten)-----If we started off ranked 13th---maybe we make the playoffs. It MATTERS where we start off ranked.

This is the main reason a National College Football Tournament should include each conferences champion. You could have at large invites, but if there are 16 or fewer teams no conference should have more than 2 teams in the tournament. This would take away the talking heads importance and is why most of them are against it. After 1 year of this tournament most people will only ask why didn't this happen sooner.
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(05-28-2020 10:38 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 08:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  By starting 23rd----even if we go undefeated (ask UCF)----we will never make the playoffs -(will be lucky to crack top ten)-----If we started off ranked 13th---maybe we make the playoffs. It MATTERS where we start off ranked.

This is the main reason a National College Football Tournament should include each conferences champion. You could have at large invites, but if there are 16 or fewer teams no conference should have more than 2 teams in the tournament. This would take away the talking heads importance and is why most of them are against it. After 1 year of this tournament most people will only ask why didn't this happen sooner.

^^^THIS^^^
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(05-28-2020 10:38 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 08:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  By starting 23rd----even if we go undefeated (ask UCF)----we will never make the playoffs -(will be lucky to crack top ten)-----If we started off ranked 13th---maybe we make the playoffs. It MATTERS where we start off ranked.

This is the main reason a National College Football Tournament should include each conferences champion. You could have at large invites, but if there are 16 or fewer teams no conference should have more than 2 teams in the tournament. This would take away the talking heads importance and is why most of them are against it. After 1 year of this tournament most people will only ask why didn't this happen sooner.

How fun would it be to watch Alabama vs. Sun Belt Champion?

While I do agree they need to apply a more fair selection process...Participation trophies are not the answer.

Who wants to watch a week a wasted football...for the top 3 teams in the country.
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(05-28-2020 08:34 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 08:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  By starting 23rd----even if we go undefeated (ask UCF)----we will never make the playoffs -(will be lucky to crack top ten)-----If we started off ranked 13th---maybe we make the playoffs. It MATTERS where we start off ranked.

We need a second big non-conference road game, like UT or Missouri to get there.

Nope...

We would need one of our P5 non conference wins to be against a P5 champion or at least another team in contention for the playoff. That is the one path a non P5 has to the playoffs.

Fuente final year was the perfect storm until Ole Miss and Memphis fell apart.
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(05-29-2020 11:23 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 10:38 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 08:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  By starting 23rd----even if we go undefeated (ask UCF)----we will never make the playoffs -(will be lucky to crack top ten)-----If we started off ranked 13th---maybe we make the playoffs. It MATTERS where we start off ranked.

This is the main reason a National College Football Tournament should include each conferences champion. You could have at large invites, but if there are 16 or fewer teams no conference should have more than 2 teams in the tournament. This would take away the talking heads importance and is why most of them are against it. After 1 year of this tournament most people will only ask why didn't this happen sooner.

How fun would it be to watch Alabama vs. Sun Belt Champion?

While I do agree they need to apply a more fair selection process...Participation trophies are not the answer.

Who wants to watch a week a wasted football...for the top 3 teams in the country.

10-2 Bama vs 12-1 Appy St

I would have watched that.
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(05-29-2020 11:23 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 10:38 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 08:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  By starting 23rd----even if we go undefeated (ask UCF)----we will never make the playoffs -(will be lucky to crack top ten)-----If we started off ranked 13th---maybe we make the playoffs. It MATTERS where we start off ranked.

This is the main reason a National College Football Tournament should include each conferences champion. You could have at large invites, but if there are 16 or fewer teams no conference should have more than 2 teams in the tournament. This would take away the talking heads importance and is why most of them are against it. After 1 year of this tournament most people will only ask why didn't this happen sooner.

How fun would it be to watch Alabama vs. Sun Belt Champion?

While I do agree they need to apply a more fair selection process...Participation trophies are not the answer.

Who wants to watch a week a wasted football...for the top 3 teams in the country.

As much fun as LSU vs Oklahoma this year?
Every once in a while, it would be a good game.
But every tourney will have some first round blowouts.
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(05-29-2020 01:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 11:23 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 10:38 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 08:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  By starting 23rd----even if we go undefeated (ask UCF)----we will never make the playoffs -(will be lucky to crack top ten)-----If we started off ranked 13th---maybe we make the playoffs. It MATTERS where we start off ranked.

This is the main reason a National College Football Tournament should include each conferences champion. You could have at large invites, but if there are 16 or fewer teams no conference should have more than 2 teams in the tournament. This would take away the talking heads importance and is why most of them are against it. After 1 year of this tournament most people will only ask why didn't this happen sooner.

How fun would it be to watch Alabama vs. Sun Belt Champion?

While I do agree they need to apply a more fair selection process...Participation trophies are not the answer.

Who wants to watch a week a wasted football...for the top 3 teams in the country.

As much fun as LSU vs Oklahoma this year?
Every once in a while, it would be a good game.
But every tourney will have some first round blowouts.

There are going to be years that the champions of lesser conferences just aren't very good. Heck we couldn't matchup against PSU up front on defense. All Penn State had to do is not get cute and hand the ball off.

In basketball there can always be a miracle night from a player a 2 that makes it very interesting...Football is a team game and it would take one hell of a game plan to overcome the massive talent deficits some of these teams would face
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(05-29-2020 01:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 01:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 11:23 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 10:38 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 08:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  By starting 23rd----even if we go undefeated (ask UCF)----we will never make the playoffs -(will be lucky to crack top ten)-----If we started off ranked 13th---maybe we make the playoffs. It MATTERS where we start off ranked.

This is the main reason a National College Football Tournament should include each conferences champion. You could have at large invites, but if there are 16 or fewer teams no conference should have more than 2 teams in the tournament. This would take away the talking heads importance and is why most of them are against it. After 1 year of this tournament most people will only ask why didn't this happen sooner.

How fun would it be to watch Alabama vs. Sun Belt Champion?

While I do agree they need to apply a more fair selection process...Participation trophies are not the answer.

Who wants to watch a week a wasted football...for the top 3 teams in the country.

As much fun as LSU vs Oklahoma this year?
Every once in a while, it would be a good game.
But every tourney will have some first round blowouts.

There are going to be years that the champions of lesser conferences just aren't very good. Heck we couldn't matchup against PSU up front on defense. All Penn State had to do is not get cute and hand the ball off.

In basketball there can always be a miracle night from a player a 2 that makes it very interesting...Football is a team game and it would take one hell of a game plan to overcome the massive talent deficits some of these teams would face

It happens every year, though (Tennessee/Georgia St). Where the talent gap really stands out is with depth. A Sun Belt champ probably couldn’t survive an SEC season, but one game? Who knows. Odds aren’t in their favor, but they aren’t impossible odds.
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Just the top 8 is enough. 1 versus 8 will probably be a blowout since 1 versus 4 often is. If you are #5 or an undefeated G5 you have a legitimate gripe. If you are #9 with an automatic bid to the top G5 and you don't make it, too bad.

An auto bid to the top G5 works in at least one of two ways. It takes bias out of the picture and allows G5 to be ranked fairly throughout the season and takes the guesswork out of the equation. Also, if it so happens that the G5 representative isn't that good, it allows the #1 team in the country almost a bye week; it rewards them for being #1.
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(05-29-2020 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Just the top 8 is enough. 1 versus 8 will probably be a blowout since 1 versus 4 often is. If you are #5 or an undefeated G5 you have a legitimate gripe. If you are #9 with an automatic bid to the top G5 and you don't make it, too bad.

An auto bid to the top G5 works in at least one of two ways. It takes bias out of the picture and allows G5 to be ranked fairly throughout the season and takes the guesswork out of the equation. Also, if it so happens that the G5 representative isn't that good, it allows the #1 team in the country almost a bye week; it rewards them for being #1.

.....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?
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(05-29-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Just the top 8 is enough. 1 versus 8 will probably be a blowout since 1 versus 4 often is. If you are #5 or an undefeated G5 you have a legitimate gripe. If you are #9 with an automatic bid to the top G5 and you don't make it, too bad.

An auto bid to the top G5 works in at least one of two ways. It takes bias out of the picture and allows G5 to be ranked fairly throughout the season and takes the guesswork out of the equation. Also, if it so happens that the G5 representative isn't that good, it allows the #1 team in the country almost a bye week; it rewards them for being #1.

.....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?

Your point is very valid. Valid enough to warrant an essay from stamms in 3...2...1...


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Who would watch Clemson play Miami (OH)? Most CFB fans, that is who. The ratings of lower tier bowl games have higher ratings than most other TV programming. A #1 vs #16 is usually an easy (usually) way for the best team to get the nerves out and keep sharp. It is better than a bye unless a key injury happens. Memphis, App St., Boise St., & FAU would have been worthy opponents in a playoff setting.

What would be really fun is for CFB to eliminate the legacy conferences and set up new conferences with 9 teams each and play round-robin with 2 OOC games, one of them away. 10 regular season games with 5 home games for everyone (less quantity but better quality would improve demand). That leaves 4-5 weeks for the playoffs. I would go 16 or 24 teams with consolation bowl games for other folks with winning records.

The conferences would be mostly regional with some adjustment due to fewer teams out west and northeast. Revenues split evenly among all schools and players. TV would be negotiated as 1 corporation (with increased exposure for FCS to replace buy game revenue lost). Schools would still keep their fundraising $$ to allow for some legacy competitive edge in the near term.

Rivalries would ignite due to playing every year. Competition would become more fierce. Players and coaches may feel less need to move around as much. Safety, quality, and the costs of CFB would all improve dramatically.

Alas, it won't happen.....
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(05-29-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Just the top 8 is enough. 1 versus 8 will probably be a blowout since 1 versus 4 often is. If you are #5 or an undefeated G5 you have a legitimate gripe. If you are #9 with an automatic bid to the top G5 and you don't make it, too bad.

An auto bid to the top G5 works in at least one of two ways. It takes bias out of the picture and allows G5 to be ranked fairly throughout the season and takes the guesswork out of the equation. Also, if it so happens that the G5 representative isn't that good, it allows the #1 team in the country almost a bye week; it rewards them for being #1.

.....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?

This is football; nobody and nobody said anything about reducing the field in basketball so your thoughts seem more than a little bit scattered. I'll be a good sport and play along.

In basketball, you can play 3 regular season games in 7 days, 4 conference tournament games in 4 days and then 4 games in as little as 9 days in the NCAA tournament. You don't have that luxury when you can only play 1 game per week.

You may also not have noticed, but NCAA basketball champions play 40 games. You also may not have noticed but football players get injured a lot more than basketball players do.

To summarize your argument, you are saying that the national champion in football should have to win 6 games, correct?
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(05-29-2020 07:55 PM)tigerbologna Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Just the top 8 is enough. 1 versus 8 will probably be a blowout since 1 versus 4 often is. If you are #5 or an undefeated G5 you have a legitimate gripe. If you are #9 with an automatic bid to the top G5 and you don't make it, too bad.

An auto bid to the top G5 works in at least one of two ways. It takes bias out of the picture and allows G5 to be ranked fairly throughout the season and takes the guesswork out of the equation. Also, if it so happens that the G5 representative isn't that good, it allows the #1 team in the country almost a bye week; it rewards them for being #1.

.....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?

Your point is very valid. Valid enough to warrant an essay from stamms in 3...2...1...


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(05-30-2020 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Just the top 8 is enough. 1 versus 8 will probably be a blowout since 1 versus 4 often is. If you are #5 or an undefeated G5 you have a legitimate gripe. If you are #9 with an automatic bid to the top G5 and you don't make it, too bad.

An auto bid to the top G5 works in at least one of two ways. It takes bias out of the picture and allows G5 to be ranked fairly throughout the season and takes the guesswork out of the equation. Also, if it so happens that the G5 representative isn't that good, it allows the #1 team in the country almost a bye week; it rewards them for being #1.

.....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?

This is football; nobody and nobody said anything about reducing the field in basketball so your thoughts seem more than a little bit scattered. I'll be a good sport and play along.

In basketball, you can play 3 regular season games in 7 days, 4 conference tournament games in 4 days and then 4 games in as little as 9 days in the NCAA tournament. You don't have that luxury when you can only play 1 game per week.

You may also not have noticed, but NCAA basketball champions play 40 games. You also may not have noticed but football players get injured a lot more than basketball players do.

To summarize your argument, you are saying that the national champion in football should have to win 6 games, correct?

Yep college basketball champions play 40 games, and college football champions play 15 games. With a 16 team playoff the football champion would play 17 games. With the quarterfinals 4 games played on Jan 1 the national championship game would be played between Jan 15 and 20. Most teams would still play 12 or 13 games, and all but 4 teams would play 15 or fewer games. Get your head around that.

More Importantly get your head around having the first National Champion of College Football. If every team that tees it up in the first week of the season doesn't have a chance at winning the title there is no national champion. There is only an invitational champion just like every winner of any bowl game.

Wouldn't you really rather have a national champion?
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(05-29-2020 01:32 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 01:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 01:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 11:23 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 10:38 PM)Keeper Wrote:  This is the main reason a National College Football Tournament should include each conferences champion. You could have at large invites, but if there are 16 or fewer teams no conference should have more than 2 teams in the tournament. This would take away the talking heads importance and is why most of them are against it. After 1 year of this tournament most people will only ask why didn't this happen sooner.

How fun would it be to watch Alabama vs. Sun Belt Champion?

While I do agree they need to apply a more fair selection process...Participation trophies are not the answer.

Who wants to watch a week a wasted football...for the top 3 teams in the country.

As much fun as LSU vs Oklahoma this year?
Every once in a while, it would be a good game.
But every tourney will have some first round blowouts.

There are going to be years that the champions of lesser conferences just aren't very good. Heck we couldn't matchup against PSU up front on defense. All Penn State had to do is not get cute and hand the ball off.

In basketball there can always be a miracle night from a player a 2 that makes it very interesting...Football is a team game and it would take one hell of a game plan to overcome the massive talent deficits some of these teams would face

It happens every year, though (Tennessee/Georgia St). Where the talent gap really stands out is with depth. A Sun Belt champ probably couldn’t survive an SEC season, but one game? Who knows. Odds aren’t in their favor, but they aren’t impossible odds.

In this year's Liberty Bowl I had much rather have watched LSU vs AppState in a game where the winner moves on in the tournament; than to have watched whichever two non-qualifiers played there this year. As a matter of fact I would have bought a ticket if any had been available.
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If they were to go to a 16 team playoff, perhaps they drop the CCG. In the stronger conferences, odds are winner and loser both make it regardless of the outcome. Drop it and instead of 17 games, the final two have 16 games.
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(05-30-2020 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Just the top 8 is enough. 1 versus 8 will probably be a blowout since 1 versus 4 often is. If you are #5 or an undefeated G5 you have a legitimate gripe. If you are #9 with an automatic bid to the top G5 and you don't make it, too bad.

An auto bid to the top G5 works in at least one of two ways. It takes bias out of the picture and allows G5 to be ranked fairly throughout the season and takes the guesswork out of the equation. Also, if it so happens that the G5 representative isn't that good, it allows the #1 team in the country almost a bye week; it rewards them for being #1.

.....so I guess you want to reduce the # of march madness teams from 64 to 32 or 16--because we certainly can't have a 1vs16. The beauty of sports---is the GIANT upset. EVERY conference champion should play in the playoffs. Why do you want to screw the little guy ?

This is football; nobody and nobody said anything about reducing the field in basketball so your thoughts seem more than a little bit scattered. I'll be a good sport and play along.

In basketball, you can play 3 regular season games in 7 days, 4 conference tournament games in 4 days and then 4 games in as little as 9 days in the NCAA tournament. You don't have that luxury when you can only play 1 game per week.

You may also not have noticed, but NCAA basketball champions play 40 games. You also may not have noticed but football players get injured a lot more than basketball players do.

To summarize your argument, you are saying that the national champion in football should have to win 6 games, correct?

No---I am saying, why screw the little guy out of pulling a giant upset ? The 1980 US hockey team would like you to answer. Argentina which beat one of our dream teams would like an answer. JMO--but your opinion is what is wrong with college sports ---the putting of the so-called power 5 on a pedestal . Let LIL MEMPHIS TIGERS stay in their place.
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