Back in the day, almost all conferences were formed based on region, and were much smaller.
The ACC had 8 members (only 7 for a while), the SEC had 10, the Big Ten had 10, the Big 8 had 8, the SWC 7 (and then 8), the PAC was 8 and travel distances were generally shorter.
In the PAC for instance; UCLA basketball would make a trip to Oregon over a weekend, play Oregon on Friday night and Oregon State on Sunday afternoon in an effort to reduce travel expenses. This was the PAC 8 norm for basketball and other minor sports scheduling.
Will we see a return to smaller, regional conferences or at least a creation of tight semi-independent divisions of 16 team monsters?

(05-23-2020 05:49 AM)XLance Wrote:  Back in the day, almost all conferences were formed based on region, and were much smaller.
The ACC had 8 members (only 7 for a while), the SEC had 10, the Big Ten had 10, the Big 8 had 8, the SWC 7 (and then 8), the PAC was 8 and travel distances were generally shorter.
In the PAC for instance; UCLA basketball would make a trip to Oregon over a weekend, play Oregon on Friday night and Oregon State on Sunday afternoon in an effort to reduce travel expenses. This was the PAC 8 norm for basketball and other minor sports scheduling.
Will we see a return to smaller, regional conferences or at least a creation of tight semi-independent divisions of 16 team monsters?

unless all school fall under one umbrella like a CFB league, we can say goodbye to the regional conferences of yesterday for good. Too much money over comes the costs of traveling. Think what schools have learned after this year, is maybe we pay too much for an OC at 1.5 mil a season. Time to put a hard cap on coaching salaries?

We can’t put the genie back in the bottle. I think we are more apt to see regional divisions within larger conference umbrellas.

If we can't put the genie back in the bottle, then it's time to get a new bottle.

On another site, JR has already penciled Carolina, UVa and Georgia Tech into the B1G.

Starting there maybe we can build out six team divisions that would all be a part of ONE conference that breaks away from the clutches of the NCAA.

Play everyone in your division, winner can advance in the playoffs. 11 winners, one wild card in a flighted tournament. All 7 of your other games must come from one of the other 10 divisions.




Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, UVa, Carolina, Georgia Tech

Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Duke, Wake Forest, Notre Dame

VT, NC State, Clemson, South Carolina, Florida State, Miami

Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss. State, LSU, Arkansas, Louisville

Ohio State, Michigan, Mich. State, Indiana, Illinois

Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minn. Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri

Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Arkansas

Southern Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU

Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford

Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State


feel free to adjust

(05-23-2020 03:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  If we can't put the genie back in the bottle, then it's time to get a new bottle.

On another site, JR has already penciled Carolina, UVa and Georgia Tech into the B1G.

Starting there maybe we can build out six team divisions that would all be a part of ONE conference that breaks away from the clutches of the NCAA.

Play everyone in your division, winner can advance in the playoffs. 11 winners, one wild card in a flighted tournament. All 7 of your other games must come from one of the other 10 divisions.




Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, UVa, Carolina, Georgia Tech

Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Duke, Wake Forest, Notre Dame

VT, NC State, Clemson, South Carolina, Florida State, Miami

Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss. State, LSU, Arkansas, Louisville

Ohio State, Michigan, Mich. State, Indiana, Illinois

Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minn. Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri

Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Arkansas

Southern Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU

Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford

Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State


feel free to adjust

You got Arkansas twice and missing Purdue. Not in a place to make a suggestion but curious to how you’d adjust this

(05-23-2020 03:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  If we can't put the genie back in the bottle, then it's time to get a new bottle.

On another site, JR has already penciled Carolina, UVa and Georgia Tech into the B1G.

Starting there maybe we can build out six team divisions that would all be a part of ONE conference that breaks away from the clutches of the NCAA.

Play everyone in your division, winner can advance in the playoffs. 11 winners, one wild card in a flighted tournament. All 7 of your other games must come from one of the other 10 divisions.




Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, UVa, Carolina, Georgia Tech

Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Duke, Wake Forest, Notre Dame

VT, NC State, Clemson, South Carolina, Florida State, Miami

Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss. State, LSU, Arkansas, Louisville

Ohio State, Michigan, Mich. State, Indiana, Illinois

Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minn. Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri

Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Arkansas

Southern Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU

Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford

Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State


feel free to adjust

Looks pretty good. Might switch Iowa State and Nebraska.

What about West Virginia?

(05-23-2020 03:33 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 03:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  If we can't put the genie back in the bottle, then it's time to get a new bottle.

On another site, JR has already penciled Carolina, UVa and Georgia Tech into the B1G.

Starting there maybe we can build out six team divisions that would all be a part of ONE conference that breaks away from the clutches of the NCAA.

Play everyone in your division, winner can advance in the playoffs. 11 winners, one wild card in a flighted tournament. All 7 of your other games must come from one of the other 10 divisions.




Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, UVa, Carolina, Georgia Tech

Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Duke, Wake Forest, Notre Dame

VT, NC State, Clemson, South Carolina, Florida State, Miami

Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss. State, LSU, WEST VA, Louisville

Ohio State, Michigan, Mich. State, Indiana, Illinois, PURDUE

Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minn. Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri

Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Arkansas

Southern Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU

Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford

Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State


feel free to adjust

Looks pretty good. Might switch Iowa State and Nebraska.

What about West Virginia?

Fixed it from the missing schools standpoint

If we are going to realign we have no desire to be in a conference with schools without a commitment to football like our NC mates in the ACC.

(05-23-2020 04:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If we are going to realign we have no desire to be in a conference with schools without a commitment to football like our NC mates in the ACC.

Fine, we will switch with Rutgers.

We miss games with Penn State.

(05-23-2020 05:19 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 04:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If we are going to realign we have no desire to be in a conference with schools without a commitment to football like our NC mates in the ACC.

Fine, we will switch with Rutgers.

We miss games with Penn State.

Penn State doesn't want anything to do with you either. That's why they haven't played you since since 1982.

Rutgers, Maryland, Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, NC State

Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Penn State, West Virginia, Notre Dame

Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, Florida State, Miami

Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss. State, LSU, Wake Forest, Louisville

Ohio State, Michigan, Mich. State, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue

Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa State, Iowa, Nebraska

Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Arkansas

Southern Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU

Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford

Colorado, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

I would love to see more regional conferences. It would save money for colleges.

(05-23-2020 07:12 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Penn State, West Virginia, Notre Dame

Rutgers, Maryland, Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, NC State
Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, Florida State, Miami

Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky
Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss. State, LSU, Wake Forest, Louisville

Ohio State, Michigan, Mich. State, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue
Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa State, Iowa, Nebraska

Southern Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford

Colorado, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Arkansas

Where would you put Connecticut, Massachusetts, Army, and Navy?

6 by 11/P5 + ND+ BYU

Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Maryland, Rutgers, Boston College
Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame
Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest
Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State
Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia, Miami
Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Arkansas, LSU
Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State
Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, Colorado
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, BYU

Miami and Colorado are by far the biggest oddballs here. Can't fit 7 schools between FL, GA, and SC in a division of 6 or 7 schools between TX and OK in a division of 6.

6 by 12:

Penn State, Pittsburgh, Temple, Syracuse, Maryland, Rutgers
Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame
Boston College, Connecticut, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Kentucky, Louisville
Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest
Clemson, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Memphis, Missouri (The oddball division)
Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State, Miami, UCF
Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Arkansas, LSU
Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State
Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, Houston
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, BYU

My line up would be

Boston College, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Rutgers, Temple
Cincinnati, Louisville, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Clemson, Maryland, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, West Virginia

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue
Iowa, Iowa State, Missouri, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Baylor, Houston, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech
Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Hawaii, USC, UCLA, UNLV

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Utah, Wyoming
Boise State, Fresno State, Nevada, San Diego State, San Jose State, Utah State, UTEP

Well if you try not to disrupt the current conferences too much:

Washington, Washington St., Oregon, Oregon St., California, Stanford
USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, Colorado

Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St., Ohio St., Penn St.

Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Arkansas
Auburn, Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi St., LSU, Texas A&M

Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, BYU
Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., Missouri

Miami, Florida St., Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Florida, Central Florida
North Carolina, North Carolina St., Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, South Carolina

Notre Dame, Pitt, Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers, Connecticut
Maryland, Louisville, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Temple

Big Ten: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St

SEC: LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Louisville, Memphis

ACC: Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, UNC, NC St, Duke, WF, Clemson, GT

Southern Coast Conference (SCC): Florida, Florida St, Miami, UCF, USF, Georgia, S Carolina, ECU

Northern Atlantic Conference (NAC): BC, UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, Temple, Pitt, Penn St, WVU, Cincinnati

Big 8: Iowa St, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas St, Nebraska, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St

SWC: Arkansas, Texas, TAMU, Texas Tech, TCU, SMU, Baylor, Houston, Rice

WAC: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Boise St, San Diego St, Fresno St, Colorado St, AFA

PAC 8: Washington, Wash St, Oregon, Ore St, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA

16 playoff with 9 autobids for the winners of each of those leagues

(05-24-2020 07:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Big Ten: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St

SEC: LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Louisville, Memphis

ACC: Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, UNC, NC St, Duke, WF, Clemson, GT

Southern Coast Conference (SCC): Florida, Florida St, Miami, UCF, USF, Georgia, S Carolina, ECU

Northern Atlantic Conference (NAC): BC, UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, Temple, Pitt, Penn St, WVU, Cincinnati

Big 8: Iowa St, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas St, Nebraska, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St

SWC: Arkansas, Texas, TAMU, Texas Tech, TCU, SMU, Baylor, Houston, Rice

WAC: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Boise St, San Diego St, Fresno St, Colorado St, AFA

PAC 8: Washington, Wash St, Oregon, Ore St, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA

16 playoff with 9 autobids for the winners of each of those leagues

Where would you put Army, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Navy, Nevada, UNLV, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Notre Dame, UTEP, Utah State, and Wyoming?

It's interesting how quickly we moved away from the original concept of one conference with 11 divisions made up of all of the current 65 P5 schools plus BYU, into putting those divisions into pairs like they were traditional 12 team conferences.
The one conference idea is a way to play traditional rivals not in the same division, minimize travel, and present a unified front for TV negotiations.
By closing off scheduling each team only plays 5 division (formerly known as conference games) and is free to schedule the other 7 games with teams within the one conference. There would be no scheduling any team not in the 66. No other schools need apply.