clt says Charlotte will consider academics in our next conference,

ESPN is the one that has the right to renegotiate so what Aresco thinks or says doesn’t matter.

I guess you don’t understand that ESPN holds all the cards. And ESPN has already stated that they prefer UConn in the AAC and the initial contract was based on UConn being in the AAC. ESPN said UConn was the “blue chip” of the AAC.

I really can’t help you if you think ESPN is going to renegotiate for less than a 1/12th. If you see the Nigerian Prince email please don’t send him money just looking out for you.

(05-23-2020 09:41 AM)TTT Wrote:  I don't see the AAC disbanding. They'll stay at whatever minimum # requirement is. This is what CUSA should do:

West
North Texas
UTSA
La Tech
ULL
Southern Miss
Troy
UAB

East
Ark State
MTSU
WKU
App State
Marshall
FAU
FIU

Why would include ULL and Arkansas State, but leave Rice out? The Owls long tradition in college athletics, academic prestige, endowment, and Houston market, make them much more attractive. Plus, they are on the upswing. Also, while I love San Antonio and the fact that UTSA is the only game in town, the Runners seem to be struggling on and off the field. Maybe they could be added later. A 12 program model would earn more CFP money for each member? I see no reason to start with 14.

I think this would be a tough conference with a few ranked teams in most seasons...

West
North Texas
Rice
La Tech
Southern Miss
UAB
Troy

East
MTSU
WKU
App State
Marshall
FAU
FIU

(05-23-2020 06:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  ESPN is the one that has the right to renegotiate so what Aresco thinks or says doesn’t matter.

I guess you don’t understand that ESPN holds all the cards. And ESPN has already stated that they prefer UConn in the AAC and the initial contract was based on UConn being in the AAC. ESPN said UConn was the “blue chip” of the AAC.

I really can’t help you if you think ESPN is going to renegotiate for less than a 1/12th. If you see the Nigerian Prince email please don’t send him money just looking out for you.

So you've read the AAC TV contract with ESPN, analyzed the specific language of the composition clause, and then spoken to the ESPN execs regarding its affect? No? Oh, I see---You just clicked a link that said ESPN thought UConn was pretty cool.

Well then, you'll have to excuse me if I defer to Mike Aresco, the actual commissioner of the AAC. You know---the guy who actually HAS read the contract and talked the ESPN execs.

On a lighter note---apparently the Nigerians dont need their "Nigerian Prince" email scam now that they have figured out a way to scam State unemployment offices out of millions. Uncle Sam has way more money than individuals. They are some crafty little suckers.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/ec...s-lingers/

BTW I leave that up to the professionals, and Sports Business Journal/Sports Business Daily reported ESPN has the right to renegotiate the AAC contract and ESPN has confirmed this on multiple occasions.

“Following the loss of UConn, Sports Business Journal’s John Ourand reports in latest newsletter that ESPN now has the right to renegotiate the terms of the 12-year, $1 billion deal it signed with the conference back in March.

Ourand writes that ESPN has a clause in the contract that allows it to open up the deal if a school left the conference.”

Here are the potential G5 conferences

Southwest Conference
Houston
North Texas
SMU
Tech
Tulsa
Texas State
Rice
UTEP
Arkansas State
Louisiana
UTSA


Heartland Conference
Memphis
WKU
Middle Tennessee
Cincinnati
Marshall
UAB
Troy
USM
Georgia State
App State
Tulane
South Alabama


Coastal Conference
ECU
ODU
FAU
UCF
USF
FIU
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina
Charlotte
Navy
Temple

(05-23-2020 12:29 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 12:27 PM)BlazintheAtl1 Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 10:02 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 06:11 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I know you know this but you know I am gonna say it anyway you know:

The AAC and MWC doesn't need the other three G5 conferences. I would even go as far to say the MAC don't need CUSA or the SunBelt.

Your opinion seems very important to you as mine does to me.

Here's mine: The Sun Belt Conference does not need the MAC, CUSA, or the MWC. Although UAB, USM and Marshall would strengthen the Belt.

Honestly agree with this. Of all the G5 conferences, CUSA is probably in the worst position. MWC and AAC are fine. MAC might be the worst G5 conference in terms of competitiveness (debatable), but they're geographically compact. Sun Belt is on par with us, at least in football, and they have less mouths to feed and theyre not spread as far. I don't buy that most Sun Belt members would jump at the chance to join CUSA. Might have been true 6 or 7 years ago when nearly half the conference defected to CUSA, but likely not now.

Fake Poster or as Trump would say Fake News

Wtf are you on about?

(05-23-2020 07:36 PM)BlazintheAtl1 Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 12:29 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 12:27 PM)BlazintheAtl1 Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 10:02 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 06:11 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I know you know this but you know I am gonna say it anyway you know:

The AAC and MWC doesn't need the other three G5 conferences. I would even go as far to say the MAC don't need CUSA or the SunBelt.

Your opinion seems very important to you as mine does to me.

Here's mine: The Sun Belt Conference does not need the MAC, CUSA, or the MWC. Although UAB, USM and Marshall would strengthen the Belt.

Honestly agree with this. Of all the G5 conferences, CUSA is probably in the worst position. MWC and AAC are fine. MAC might be the worst G5 conference in terms of competitiveness (debatable), but they're geographically compact. Sun Belt is on par with us, at least in football, and they have less mouths to feed and theyre not spread as far. I don't buy that most Sun Belt members would jump at the chance to join CUSA. Might have been true 6 or 7 years ago when nearly half the conference defected to CUSA, but likely not now.

Fake Poster or as Trump would say Fake News

Wtf are you on about?

You’re off to a great start son.

It would be a homecoming for Rice, Houston and SMU. They get to go back where it all started,
Southwest Conference

There is one thing that you are forgetting or don't know about. Appy State and GA Southern are going to be like WKU/MTSU or even Southern Miss/UAB. They are always going to be a package deal unless one of them ever gets a P5 invite, which is very unlikely in our lifetimes.

So you might want to swap GA Southern and GA State.

(05-23-2020 07:24 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Here are the potential G5 conferences

Southwest Conference
Houston
North Texas
SMU
Tech
Tulsa
Texas State
Rice
UTEP
Arkansas State
Louisiana
UTSA


Heartland Conference
Memphis
WKU
Middle Tennessee
Cincinnati
Marshall
UAB
Troy
USM
Georgia State
App State
Tulane
South Alabama


Coastal Conference
ECU
ODU
FAU
UCF
USF
FIU
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina
Charlotte
Navy
Temple

It is silly not to have the three NC teams - App State, Charlotte, and ECU all in the same conference if you were doing this reasonably. Same goes for two GA teams - GA State and GA Southern.

(05-23-2020 10:02 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 06:11 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I know you know this but you know I am gonna say it anyway you know:

The AAC and MWC doesn't need the other three G5 conferences. I would even go as far to say the MAC don't need CUSA or the SunBelt.

Your opinion seems very important to you as mine does to me.

Here's mine: The Sun Belt Conference does not need the MAC, CUSA, or the MWC. Although UAB, USM and Marshall would strengthen the Belt.

My opinion.... No conference needs So Alabama

(05-23-2020 11:16 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 10:02 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 06:11 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I know you know this but you know I am gonna say it anyway you know:

The AAC and MWC doesn't need the other three G5 conferences. I would even go as far to say the MAC don't need CUSA or the SunBelt.

Your opinion seems very important to you as mine does to me.

Here's mine: The Sun Belt Conference does not need the MAC, CUSA, or the MWC. Although UAB, USM and Marshall would strengthen the Belt.

My opinion.... No conference needs So Alabama

Never heard of her.

(05-23-2020 07:12 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  “Following the loss of UConn, Sports Business Journal’s John Ourand reports in latest newsletter that ESPN now has the right to renegotiate the terms of the 12-year, $1 billion deal it signed with the conference back in March.

Ourand writes that ESPN has a clause in the contract that allows it to open up the deal if a school left the conference.”

lol...so your theory that the AAC deal will be "drastically" reduced is based another guy who ALSO HASN'T read the contract and who NEVER said the deal would be "drastically" reduced. I'm going to stick with the AAC commissioners quotes that were not vague at all. He said the schools will see NO reduction in revenue. That seems pretty darn solid to me. Your going to be wrong yet again on this one.

(05-23-2020 09:12 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 07:24 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Here are the potential G5 conferences

Southwest Conference
Houston
North Texas
SMU
Louisiana Tech
Tulsa
Texas State
Rice
UTEP
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
UTSA


Heartland Conference
Memphis
WKU
Middle Tennessee
Cincinnati
Marshall
UAB
Troy
USM
Georgia State
App State
Tulane
South Alabama


Coastal Conference
ECU
ODU
FAU
UCF
USF
FIU
Liberty
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina
Charlotte
Navy
Temple

It is silly not to have the three NC teams - App State, Charlotte, and ECU all in the same conference if you were doing this reasonably. Same goes for two GA teams - GA State and GA Southern.

I don’t see this happening. It was just a thought .

(05-24-2020 02:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 07:12 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  “Following the loss of UConn, Sports Business Journal’s John Ourand reports in latest newsletter that ESPN now has the right to renegotiate the terms of the 12-year, $1 billion deal it signed with the conference back in March.

Ourand writes that ESPN has a clause in the contract that allows it to open up the deal if a school left the conference.”

lol...so your theory that the AAC deal will be "drastically" reduced is based another guy who ALSO HASN'T read the contract and who NEVER said the deal would be "drastically" reduced. I'm going to stick with the AAC commissioners quotes that were not vague at all. He said the schools will see NO reduction in revenue. That seems pretty darn solid to me. Your going to be wrong yet again on this one.

Dawgxas has hurt feelings over not being invited to the AAC party.

(05-23-2020 07:12 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  “Following the loss of UConn, Sports Business Journal’s John Ourand reports in latest newsletter that ESPN now has the right to renegotiate the terms of the 12-year, $1 billion deal it signed with the conference back in March.

Ourand writes that ESPN has a clause in the contract that allows it to open up the deal if a school left the conference.”

A more full QUOTE from Ourand (bolded emphasis is my own):

Quote:ESPN has the right to change the terms of its media deal with the American Athletic Conference if UConn bolts to the Big East, as expected. The 12-year, $1 billion media rights deal that was signed in March carries a composition clause that gives ESPN the right to renegotiate its terms if any of the schools leave the conference. The network inserted the clause in case the AAC’s football powerhouse -- UCF -- left for a bigger conference. Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston and USF also were seen as likely AAC schools to be poached by bigger conferences if realignment took hold again. ESPN inserted the clause as an assurance that it would not be left paying $1 billion to a conference that had lost its highest-rated teams.

The fact that ESPN included the clause in its contract does not mean that the network definitely will open up the deal, which goes into effect with the 2020-21 season. After all, football is the main driver of these media deals, and UConn’s football performance over the last decade has been awful. The team was 1-11 last season and hasn’t had a winning record since 2010.

That article was from June of 2019...and no reduction yet.
The December conference quotes from ESPN exec Dawson? For context, those were from a panel Aresco was also on, so still a good relationship.

Thanks for your concern with the American. Or obsession. Whichever.
We'll be just fine, though.

(05-22-2020 09:47 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 07:27 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 04:51 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 03:02 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  G5 Heartland
Memphis
WKU
Middle Tennessee
Cincinnati
Marshall
UAB
Troy
USM
Georgia State
App State

This would be a killer conference at 10 but I would go to 12 add USF and UCF ...

Teams made up of schools connected to I-65/75 or short detours from both. I personally dont think you can get better than that with FB and BB

You are right about the G5 Heartland Conference that could easily be a 2 or 3 bid conference

Your Heartland proposal's pretty sweet. It would be an excellent conference in FB and BB. Don't imagine it ever happens (at least for 5 to 10 years) absent an athletic earthquake! Cincy & Memphis picture themselves a step away from the Cartel 5! They consider MT & Western beneath them in every way. Though they don't badmouth Southern Miss or UAB (like they do MT&Western); their only interest in any of the current CUSA or SB schools would be Cost-cutting Transportation; and Ease of Travel for their own Fans!

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Absolutely, they would have to swallow a lot of pride to stoop this low. This is likely more reflective of their fan bases than the admin at either school.