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Democratic Party Official Admits to Stuffing Ballot Boxes in Philadelphia Elections
Quote:A Philadelphia elections judge and Democratic Party official pleaded guilty Thursday to stuffing ballot boxes in favor of Democratic candidates in elections in 2014, 2015 and 2016, while collecting thousands of dollars in cash to make the changes.

Prosecutors hinted at an even broader conspiracy by an unnamed “political consultant” who charged his clients “consulting fees” and then used some of the money to pay off multiple Election Board officials.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office in Philadelphia won Thursday’s guilty plea from Domenick J. DeMuro, who served as a judge of elections, responsible for overseeing a polling place during voting. DeMuro was also a Democratic Party ward chairman.

Quote:“DeMuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear,” said U.S. Attorney William M. McSwain. “Voting is the cornerstone of our democracy. If even one vote is fraudulently rung up, the integrity of that election is compromised.”

Mr. McSwain said the investigation is ongoing.

Read the rest here and then tell me again how election fraud doesn't happen.
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(05-21-2020 07:55 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
Quote:A Philadelphia elections judge and Democratic Party official pleaded guilty Thursday to stuffing ballot boxes in favor of Democratic candidates in elections in 2014, 2015 and 2016, while collecting thousands of dollars in cash to make the changes.

Prosecutors hinted at an even broader conspiracy by an unnamed “political consultant” who charged his clients “consulting fees” and then used some of the money to pay off multiple Election Board officials.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office in Philadelphia won Thursday’s guilty plea from Domenick J. DeMuro, who served as a judge of elections, responsible for overseeing a polling place during voting. DeMuro was also a Democratic Party ward chairman.

Quote:“DeMuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear,” said U.S. Attorney William M. McSwain. “Voting is the cornerstone of our democracy. If even one vote is fraudulently rung up, the integrity of that election is compromised.”

Mr. McSwain said the investigation is ongoing.

Read the rest here and then tell me again how election fraud doesn't happen.

Oh, it definitely happens.

It's just that the people who do it tell us it doesn't.
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Never happens LOL
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DeMuro? Is that Russian?

Damned democrats. America hating somebeaches.
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But we were told that voter fraud NEVER happens
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Well, no. Were are told it happens, but only in low numbers so that it doesn't matter.

*giggles*

It's been going on for decades if not centuries. Well beyond time listening to the "intelligentsia". Bout time we laid it on the ground, Bout time to fight back.
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(05-21-2020 10:10 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Well, no. Were are told it happens, but only in low numbers so that it doesn't matter.

*giggles*

It's been going on for decades if not centuries. Well beyond time listening to the "intelligentsia". Bout time we laid it on the ground, Bout time to fight back.

If only the GOP had some gonads.
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Poor moon faced Stacy....
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it's amazing how easy it would be to have voting only take place in person with an ID stamped from entrance/pin#/exit....

toss in election day should be a national holiday, and it's a 'no excuses' gimme putt...

but nah....too many voters would be excluded...
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(05-22-2020 06:35 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  it's amazing how easy it would be to have voting only take place in person with an ID stamped from entrance/pin#/exit....

toss in election day should be a national holiday, and it's a 'no excuses' gimme putt...

but nah....too many voters would be excluded...

Yeah. Another national holiday is all we need. Not.
The rest is spot on.
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(05-21-2020 09:30 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  But we were told that voter fraud NEVER happens

1. Nobody here ever told you that...of course you can clear that up by posting a link.
2. This isn't even really voter fraud. This guy's not a voter here. He's an election official with access voters don't have who took money to pad numbers.
3. Lastly, there's nothing indicated in the information from the DOJ as to which candidates he padded the totals for...although you can assume they were all democrats.

Rather, what I and others have told you is that in person voter fraud rarely happens and even when it does, it does not happen in significant numbers enough to effect outcomes.

Lastly, before you go there, I'm not defending this guy. In fact, he should be sent away for a lot longer than he probably will be!
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(05-22-2020 07:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:30 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  But we were told that voter fraud NEVER happens

1. Nobody here ever told you that...of course you can clear that up by posting a link.
2. This isn't even really voter fraud. This guy's not a voter here. He's an election official with access voters don't have who took money to pad numbers.
3. Lastly, there's nothing indicated in the information from the DOJ as to which candidates he padded the totals for...although you can assume they were all democrats.

Rather, what I and others have told you is that in person voter fraud rarely happens and even when it does, it does not happen in significant numbers enough to effect outcomes.

Lastly, before you go there, I'm not defending this guy. In fact, he should be sent away for a lot longer than he probably will be!

Maybe you can move the goalposts just a little more
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(05-22-2020 07:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  2. This isn't even really voter fraud. This guy's not a voter here. He's an election official with access voters don't have who took money to pad numbers.

Wow...someone please let me see the dictionary that RWT uses.

This is "not" voter fraud?

There are times Tom when you make questionable statements.. and then there are times when you just jump in off the deep end.
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(05-22-2020 07:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:30 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  But we were told that voter fraud NEVER happens

1. Nobody here ever told you that...of course you can clear that up by posting a link.
2. This isn't even really voter fraud. This guy's not a voter here. He's an election official with access voters don't have who took money to pad numbers.
3. Lastly, there's nothing indicated in the information from the DOJ as to which candidates he padded the totals for...although you can assume they were all democrats.

Rather, what I and others have told you is that in person voter fraud rarely happens and even when it does, it does not happen in significant numbers enough to effect outcomes.

Lastly, before you go there, I'm not defending this guy. In fact, he should be sent away for a lot longer than he probably will be!

Which is precisely why ballot harvesting and vote by mail is such a rotten idea IF your goal is to have elections with as little fraud as possible.
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(05-22-2020 07:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:30 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  But we were told that voter fraud NEVER happens

1. Nobody here ever told you that...of course you can clear that up by posting a link.
2. This isn't even really voter fraud. This guy's not a voter here. He's an election official with access voters don't have who took money to pad numbers.
3. Lastly, there's nothing indicated in the information from the DOJ as to which candidates he padded the totals for...although you can assume they were all democrats.

Rather, what I and others have told you is that in person voter fraud rarely happens and even when it does, it does not happen in significant numbers enough to effect outcomes.

Lastly, before you go there, I'm not defending this guy. In fact, he should be sent away for a lot longer than he probably will be!


Right

In person fraud rarely happens. So, comically, what’s the easiest way around that little hurdle?

Hey! How about mail in ballots instead?

C’mon. You’re not even really trying any more.
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(05-22-2020 07:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Rather, what I and others have told you is that in person voter fraud rarely happens and even when it does, it does not happen in significant numbers enough to effect outcomes.

And what others and I have told you repeatedly is that without a valid detection method, we have no way to know how often in person voter fraud occurs. And as far as significant numbers, how many numbers would have been needed to reverse the Florida electoral votes in 2000? Is there any doubt that voter fraud, going both ways, was probably greater than the margin of victory then and there?

What we know is that 1) detected in-person voter fraud rarely occurs, and 2) without voter ID, we have no valid detection method.

With modern technology, it is fairly cheap and easy to create an electronic card with a photo and thumb prints embedded in the card. That would be a hard system to fool.
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(05-22-2020 06:35 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  it's amazing how easy it would be to have voting only take place in person with an ID stamped from entrance/pin#/exit....

toss in election day should be a national holiday, and it's a 'no excuses' gimme putt...

but nah....too many voters would be excluded...

Why can't we just vote in Wal-Mart, Lowe's, Home Depot and the local grocery store? We can go there. But maybe those voting precincts in America that are located in Nursing Homes oughtta be re-thought. We live in Jokeland.
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(05-22-2020 08:16 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 07:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  2. This isn't even really voter fraud. This guy's not a voter here. He's an election official with access voters don't have who took money to pad numbers.

Wow...someone please let me see the dictionary that RWT uses.

This is "not" voter fraud?

There are times Tom when you make questionable statements.. and then there are times when you just jump in off the deep end.

As do you. Hence why I sad "isn't even really" and then went on to explain that this guy was not a voter. He's an election official manipulating results via his position as an elected official. Yes there was fraud, and yes vote totals were changed. Nobody is disputing that.
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(05-22-2020 08:16 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 07:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:30 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  But we were told that voter fraud NEVER happens

1. Nobody here ever told you that...of course you can clear that up by posting a link.
2. This isn't even really voter fraud. This guy's not a voter here. He's an election official with access voters don't have who took money to pad numbers.
3. Lastly, there's nothing indicated in the information from the DOJ as to which candidates he padded the totals for...although you can assume they were all democrats.

Rather, what I and others have told you is that in person voter fraud rarely happens and even when it does, it does not happen in significant numbers enough to effect outcomes.

Lastly, before you go there, I'm not defending this guy. In fact, he should be sent away for a lot longer than he probably will be!

Which is precisely why ballot harvesting and vote by mail is such a rotten idea IF your goal is to have elections with as little fraud as possible.

I don't really disagree with any of that.
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(05-22-2020 08:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 07:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Rather, what I and others have told you is that in person voter fraud rarely happens and even when it does, it does not happen in significant numbers enough to effect outcomes.

And what others and I have told you repeatedly is that without a valid detection method, we have no way to know how often in person voter fraud occurs. And as far as significant numbers, how many numbers would have been needed to reverse the Florida electoral votes in 2000? Is there any doubt that voter fraud, going both ways, was probably greater than the margin of victory then and there?

What we know is that 1) detected in-person voter fraud rarely occurs, and 2) without voter ID, we have no valid detection method.

With modern technology, it is fairly cheap and easy to create an electronic card with a photo and thumb prints embedded in the card. That would be a hard system to fool.

Agree...and why I've continually called for something akin to this. My only caveat is that it needs to be easily attainable and not cost prohibitive to the voter directly. We just need to make sure we don't cause additional problems by disenfranchising eligible voters.

And yes, I'm fully aware that you can never get a full and accurate count of the existence of in-person voter fraud. But you also have to acknowledge how incredibly hard it would be to get enough people to create enough documents or to visit enough polling places, or multiple times at the same polling placea as to effect any outcomes.
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