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Cary doesn’t have the same advantages as Charlotte. Perhaps their fans understand economics, but perhaps they don’t?

(05-30-2020 01:51 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Did that Cajuns fan seriously equate Miami (OH) with Miami (FL)?!?!? Wow! Puff puff pass that whackie backie this way man.

Does it really matter, Miami or Little Miami haven't been relevant for years. Seriously, what is the 1st thing you think of when someone mentions the Miami Hurricanes, its usually one of 2 things. Either Jimmy Johnson or Ray Lewis. Well Johnson hasn't been there since 1988 and Lewis 1995, thats 25 and 32 years ago. At one time the Hurricanes would sell out 80K standing room only in a 72K seat Orange Bowl. Now the play in a 64K Hard Rock Stadium and are only getting 35-38K per game. They aved 41K last year but that was because FL St was at home for them. They had like 16K at home against CMU who they barely beat 17-12. And well the Little Miami RedChickenSkinedHawks haven't been in a spotlight since 2004 when Ben Rottenhamberger and head coach Terry Hoeppner flew the coop.

Is there still a big difference between the 2, yeah. Is Miami the one in FL what is was in their Big East Hayday, not even close. They moved to the ACC and somehow got lost. The same could be said for VA Tech, Boston College and Syracuse.

(05-30-2020 09:53 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 01:51 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Did that Cajuns fan seriously equate Miami (OH) with Miami (FL)?!?!? Wow! Puff puff pass that whackie backie this way man.

Does it really matter, Miami or Little Miami haven't been relevant for years. Seriously, what is the 1st thing you think of when someone mentions the Miami Hurricanes, its usually one of 2 things. Either Jimmy Johnson or Ray Lewis. Well Johnson hasn't been there since 1988 and Lewis 1995, thats 25 and 32 years ago. At one time the Hurricanes would sell out 80K standing room only in a 72K seat Orange Bowl. Now the play in a 64K Hard Rock Stadium and are only getting 35-38K per game. They aved 41K last year but that was because FL St was at home for them. They had like 16K at home against CMU who they barely beat 17-12. And well the Little Miami RedChickenSkinedHawks haven't been in a spotlight since 2004 when Ben Rottenhamberger and head coach Terry Hoeppner flew the coop.

Is there still a big difference between the 2, yeah. Is Miami the one in FL what is was in their Big East Hayday, not even close. They moved to the ACC and somehow got lost. The same could be said for VA Tech, Boston College and Syracuse.

You’re discounting IMO one of the most talented college football teams ever. 2001 Miami hurricanes. The RB depth was Clinton Portis, Willis Mcgahee, Frank Gore and Najeh Davenport. They had Jeremy Shockey and Kellen Winslow. Andre Johnson. Bryant McKinnie and Vernon. Carey.. William Joseph, Jerome Mcdougle, DJ Williams, Jonathan Vilma, Phillip Buchanan, Mike rumph and Ed Reed. That team was insane.


There isn’t a single ulala fan that wouldn’t have preferred they beat the Hurricanes in the Independece bowl than the redhawks in the dollar tree bowl. They’re all about what sounds better right? Louisiana sounds better than Louisiana-Lafayette or Southwest Louisiana. UL sounds better than USL or UL-L right? You better believe Miami Florida sounds better than Miami Ohio. And the Miami Hurricanes sounds better than the Miami (OH) RedHawks.

I don’t give a darn that Arkansas State won the belt the year we destroyed them in the New Orleans bowl. Give me the Razorbacks at 6-6 in a better bowl any time.

(05-30-2020 10:09 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  You’re discounting IMO one of the most talented college football teams ever. 2001 Miami hurricanes. The RB depth was Clinton Portis, Willis Mcgahee, Frank Gore and Najeh Davenport. They had Jeremy Shockey and Kellen Winslow. Andre Johnson. Bryant McKinnie and Vernon. Carey.. William Joseph, Jerome Mcdougle, DJ Williams, Jonathan Vilma, Phillip Buchanan, Mike rumph and Ed Reed. That team was insane.

Again that was their Big East Hayday. Also that was Larry Coker playing with all of Butch Davis's toys. Hell Stevie Wonder could have coached that team to a perfect season.

What I said is todays Miami isn't what it used to be and never will again. Even in the late 90s Miami, Florida and Florida State didn't have that much competition for recruits. They basically want out and fought for the top recruits in Florida among themselves. Now every DI school east of the Mississippi recriuts FL and half or more west of the Mississippi, also DII, DIII and NAIA schools recruit Florida as well.

(05-30-2020 08:35 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 02:38 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  seriously why do you always choke vs CUSA teams when it really matters?

Winning third and fourth place CUSA bowl games every year doesn’t answer the question.

You can look up Apps wins, championships, and bowl wins the last five years, no G5 programs has more.

Well this past season it was because we suspended our quarterback. In Holtz first year in the championship we had more JUCO transfers than you’d like and we lost a handful of starters who decided they didn’t care about class. See since we are on the quarter system our guys have to take finals in November. If they don’t make the grade they’re out for the conference championship and bowl game. Holtz has managed to make up for it with nice bowl wins but the lack of a conference championship win bothers all Tech fans.

Thanks for an reasonable response. That type of context is a breadth of fresh air from other responses/deflection posts in this thread.

(05-30-2020 09:04 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  https://appstatesports.com/news/2020/5/2...anges.aspx

Cary doesn’t have the same advantages as Charlotte. Perhaps their fans understand economics, but perhaps they don’t?

clt agrees. You are on to something here friend.

(05-24-2020 02:47 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Who’s ULx? ULM or ULL indifferent really. We have dominated them on the field. It is easy for ULL to run through the Sunbelt because it is so incredibly weak. Then they play us and we give them a dose of reality.

Their fans look of disbelief at 3:00min when Tech was up 42-7 says it all “but but we were 10-1 in the Sunbelt!”

Dawgxas... Never change, man... Never change...

(05-27-2020 03:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Is there a more delusional fanbase in CUSA than LA Tech (at least the vocal minority here)?

There is no program in the SBC or CUSA that should be looking so far down their nose at another FBS program given the situation.

This thread was a good reread. Imagine the SBC adding LA Tech instead of JMU or ODU. I wonder if they would have given respect if they would have received it back during this.

So LA tech hates ULM so much that they are willing to be in a league with Tarleton State instead?

What a time to be alive

(10-23-2021 08:32 AM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  So LA tech hates ULM so much that they are willing to be in a league with Tarleton State instead?

What a time to be alive

Yes; we hate ULM so much that just last night we had a double header scrimmage verse the ULM baseball team in Ruston.

(10-23-2021 05:34 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 03:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Is there a more delusional fanbase in CUSA than LA Tech (at least the vocal minority here)?

There is no program in the SBC or CUSA that should be looking so far down their nose at another FBS program given the situation.

This thread was a good reread. Imagine the SBC adding LA Tech instead of JMU or ODU. I wonder if they would have given respect if they would have received it back during this.

Hate us if you want. We’re competitive in all sports and have been for decades. So a now-departed AD made some poor choices. Cool, I’ll give you that.

But,

If you go to a game in Ruston, you’ll get fed some great food and everyone will be incredibly nice to you, complement your team on a good game, win or lose, and thank you for visiting.

All this Tech being the axis of evil stuff is simply message board chest-thumping and groupthink.

Appreciate your comments and would like to believe you, but your comments seem to be the exception not the rule.

The SBC had the opportunity to add any remaining CUSA school and App pushed for Marshall, ODU and JMU and the western members didn’t push for LA Tech at all. You have to ask yourself why not. LA Tech was clearly the better add on the filed as well as location for the majority of the members.

(10-23-2021 07:44 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Appreciate your comments and would like to believe you, but your comments seem to be the exception not the rule.

The SBC had the opportunity to add any remaining CUSA school and App pushed for Marshall, ODU and JMU and the western members didn’t push for LA Tech at all. You have to ask yourself why not. LA Tech was clearly the better add on the filed as well as location for the majority of the members.

2 things.

Knowing the politics of Louisiana, ULL and ULM would certainly vote for Tech to be included in the SBC. Whether or not they'd secretly sabotage such a vote, as has been suggested by some ULL posters, I doubt it. But I suppose it's possible.

The most likely read in this situation is that App and Coastal had options (CUSA/maybe AAC). The western SBC teams really didn't. In order to keep the band together, you had to appease App. This is why if CUSA had made some real overtures to ULL early on, the script may have been flipped. Instead, USM drove the bus on getting to the SBC west, which gave the conference enough leverage with the west teams to placate the potential defectors in the east.

Said another way, App State was driving the bus on the SBC adds, because they were the most likely to vacate otherwise.

(10-25-2021 08:07 AM)LaTechBanjo Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 07:44 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Appreciate your comments and would like to believe you, but your comments seem to be the exception not the rule.

The SBC had the opportunity to add any remaining CUSA school and App pushed for Marshall, ODU and JMU and the western members didn’t push for LA Tech at all. You have to ask yourself why not. LA Tech was clearly the better add on the filed as well as location for the majority of the members.

2 things.

Knowing the politics of Louisiana, ULL and ULM would certainly vote for Tech to be included in the SBC. Whether or not they'd secretly sabotage such a vote, as has been suggested by some ULL posters, I doubt it. But I suppose it's possible.

The most likely read in this situation is that App and Coastal had options (CUSA/maybe AAC). The western SBC teams really didn't. In order to keep the band together, you had to appease App. This is why if CUSA had made some real overtures to ULL early on, the script may have been flipped. Instead, USM drove the bus on getting to the SBC west, which gave the conference enough leverage with the west teams to placate the potential defectors in the east.

Said another way, App State was driving the bus on the SBC adds, because they were the most likely to vacate otherwise.

Just to clarify a few things within this post.

1. LaTech is an institutional fit, both academically and athletically. They are a rural university within the footprint, it makes all the sense in the world for them to be included.

2. Tommy McClennan isn’t a one off AD making ignorant and disparaging comments regarding the SBC and the two programs within Louisiana that are in the SBC. The same comments were made by Derek Dooley and every AD after the formation of the original SBC. So from an institutional stance LaTech views themselves as superior to the SBC.

3. Southern Miss, let’s delve into that situation. USM has been in talks with the SBC for 2.5 years. This wasn’t a new development, USM has been positioning itself for a move out of CUSA for over 2 years. The administration has long recognized that USM is also an institutional fit in the SBC. Smack dab in the middle of the footprint. Their move to the SBC was always going to happen.

4. The position LaTech finds itself in falls squarely on the shoulders of the LaTech President, AD and Boosters. It’s not the fault of the 6 that left for the AAC or the 3 programs leaving for the SBC.

5. The AAC was presented a plan to invite high on field performance programs. I’m sure LaTech was on that list. Along with many other programs. Mostly from medium to small markets. The AAC presidents wanted markets, because that is the identity and makeup of that league. Nothing any medium/small market program could do to change that.

6. This myth of any program being scared to be associated with, compete against LaTech is absolute rubbish. Both ULM, stAte, Louisiana and any western SBC would gladly agree to long term H&H contracts with LaTech in football and other sports. The truth is none of those programs “need” LaTech, we have a tight footprint and regional rivalries. LaTech doesn’t “need” those program either, otherwise the stance of the administration would be completely different if they did.

The bottom line here is LaTech is exactly where they want to be. I read that LaTech wants or has bigger aspirations than the SBC. That the SBC is not the ultimate goal. But the SBC will be the premier eastern G5 league in 2023.

So what’s the actual end game for LaTech?

(10-23-2021 08:42 AM)LaTechBanjo Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 05:34 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 03:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Is there a more delusional fanbase in CUSA than LA Tech (at least the vocal minority here)?

There is no program in the SBC or CUSA that should be looking so far down their nose at another FBS program given the situation.

This thread was a good reread. Imagine the SBC adding LA Tech instead of JMU or ODU. I wonder if they would have given respect if they would have received it back during this.

Hate us if you want. We’re competitive in all sports and have been for decades. So a now-departed AD made some poor choices. Cool, I’ll give you that.

But,

If you go to a game in Ruston, you’ll get fed some great food and everyone will be incredibly nice to you, complement your team on a good game, win or lose, and thank you for visiting.

All this Tech being the axis of evil stuff is simply message board chest-thumping and groupthink.

It's not just been one AD miltiple people through out the Sun Belts 45 years at LA Tech have down played or disrespected the conference. The Sun Belt existed 24 years before they started to sponsor football. That is when the LA Tech rhetoric started to amp up even more though.

I couldn't imagine someone at Marshall if it be the president, AD, BOG or coach talking down about local universities close to Marshall. Ive never seen that anywhere besides at LA Tech. You know why, because some time some where you just may need those people.

(10-26-2021 01:59 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 08:42 AM)LaTechBanjo Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 05:34 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 03:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Is there a more delusional fanbase in CUSA than LA Tech (at least the vocal minority here)?

There is no program in the SBC or CUSA that should be looking so far down their nose at another FBS program given the situation.

This thread was a good reread. Imagine the SBC adding LA Tech instead of JMU or ODU. I wonder if they would have given respect if they would have received it back during this.

Hate us if you want. We’re competitive in all sports and have been for decades. So a now-departed AD made some poor choices. Cool, I’ll give you that.

But,

If you go to a game in Ruston, you’ll get fed some great food and everyone will be incredibly nice to you, complement your team on a good game, win or lose, and thank you for visiting.

All this Tech being the axis of evil stuff is simply message board chest-thumping and groupthink.

It's not just been one AD miltiple people through out the Sun Belts 45 years at LA Tech have down played or disrespected the conference. The Sun Belt existed 24 years before they started to sponsor football. That is when the LA Tech rhetoric started to amp up even more though.

I couldn't imagine someone at Marshall if it be the president, AD, BOG or coach talking down about local universities close to Marshall. Ive never seen that anywhere besides at LA Tech. You know why, because some time some where you just may need those people.

I guess you've been brainwashed by all the Sunbelt folks too. I saw you posting some shite about Tech over there. You have no idea what those schools have done to Tech over the years. You have no idea of the politics involved in the State of Louisiana. You don't have any clue about how people from North Louisiana are discriminated against by people from South Louisiana. So don't even talk about a topic you have no clue about.

(10-26-2021 01:59 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  I couldn't imagine someone at Marshall if it be the president, AD, BOG or coach talking down about local universities close to Marshall. Ive never seen that anywhere besides at LA Tech. You know why, because some time some where you just may need those people.

The one mistake the president made was not firing the AD on the spot. The comments were made in May and he left by September for #2 job at Vanderbilt. Think about that....an Athletic Director...leaves to go be a #2 somewhere else. IMO he should have been fired immediately but in Ruston they like to pretend everything is perfect, just sweep it under the rug and move on. Hell, they couldn't even get the stones to fire the last AD and he REALLY deserved it.

But that aside, to the OP: I personally have more ties to this school than anyone here and I've been saying for 10 years we should be playing these schools often. Yes, we did go Independent first and we used to be in the Sunbelt for OLY sports and yes we left for the WAC to try and play with SMU instead of joining a new league (who wouldn't) and yes we have had plenty of success on the field including beating ULL's and Arkansas State ass in 2014 & 2015.

But you know who has had more success than just about anyone? Michigan. And they certainly STILL think they are better than Michigan State. And yet they still play each other, and sometimes they lose. THAT'S SPORTS. I, for one, have never bought into the idea that we lose by playing ULM. There would certainly be more fans in the stands and a higher gate than when ODU comes to town this weekend.

FFS, UTSA can win out this season and they still aren't going to sniff the NY6 so what's the point? The games have to matter. At least, with regional rivalries and the real life friendships that span across them the games would mean something.

The current state is miserable, so lap it up. To all you Cajun fans living in glee I will never forget being in Lafayette while Tech was getting invited to CUSA...you would have thought the world was ending. The world's biggest whiner Kevin Foote was inconsolable and even you, Jay, were utterly despondent on the radio. But that was another time...I only wish we had done more right at home (ticket prices/tailgating/students) and a lot more right abroad (strengthening regional relationships) over the past few years. In more ways than one, we made our own bed.

(10-26-2021 01:59 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  It's not just been one AD miltiple people through out the Sun Belts 45 years at LA Tech have down played or disrespected the conference. The Sun Belt existed 24 years before they started to sponsor football. That is when the LA Tech rhetoric started to amp up even more though.

You mean the time period when we were members of the Sunbelt? That's when you think we started being mean to them?

What the heck?