(05-23-2020 02:24 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 02:10 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As Milton Friedman once said, "I am a libertarian with a small 'l' and a Republican with a capital 'R'. And I am a Republican with a capital 'R' on grounds of expediency, not on principle.”

Philosophically I am libertarian, but the tent is so wide it brings in the freak show. I just can't....

Yea, or this.

Ditto.

The Libertarian Party is a train wreck run by nut jobs who think dungeons and dragons is kewl.

If the Libertarians could somehow find and promote some modern-day Milton Friedmans and put them up-front, they would really be on to something good. Then you could have the Kinky Friedmans in the background. What they’ve got now is the exact reverse.

(05-23-2020 03:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  If the Libertarians could somehow find and promote some modern-day Milton Friedmans and put them up-front, they would really be on to something good. Then you could have the Kinky Friedmans in the background. What they’ve got now is the exact reverse.

Kinky wasnt a Libertarian, he ran as an independent.


Just got back to the Libertarian live stream. Apparently the national organization set up a dedicated email address to the national Secretary to be used to to communicate ballot results from the state delegation chairs to the national tallying point.

Well.....

Someone said the email addy on the stream, and people started pummeling the address with porn. At another point to one state chair asked for some ballot issue help, and the national secretary said to 'email the address given, but I am not going to give it out again because we got slammed with porn'. So in the YouTube chat, all the 'eavesdroppers' immediately posted the email address. About two minutes later the secretary asked some tech person (online and openly) to change out the address due to the mailbox being flooded again with pornographic materials.

This is better than any episode of 'The IT Crowd'.

(05-23-2020 04:19 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 03:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  If the Libertarians could somehow find and promote some modern-day Milton Friedmans and put them up-front, they would really be on to something good. Then you could have the Kinky Friedmans in the background. What they’ve got now is the exact reverse.

Kinky wasnt a Libertarian, he ran as an independent.

But he was still someone who used a political campaign primarily as a form of entertainment and self-promotion, and whose ideological/philosophical outlook (libertarian or otherwise) got lost in the shuffle.

That kind of approach to politics is good for a few laughs and sometimes it’s even good for a few votes. I just don’t think it’s what the Libertarians need right now.

So the presidential nominee is Jo Jorgensen. They could have done worse. I'll probably vote for her, unless Trump needs me in Texas. And if he needs me in Texas, then the outlook isn't great nationally.

Vote on the VP nominee is today. None of the ones in the VP debate did anything for me, so I'm hoping it's somebody else.

(05-24-2020 08:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So the presidential nominee is Jo Jorgensen. They could have done worse. I'll probably vote for her, unless Trump needs me in Texas. And if he needs me in Texas, then the outlook isn't great nationally.

Vote on the VP nominee is today. None of the ones in the VP debate did anything for me, so I'm hoping it's somebody else.

The least odious choice by far. But she, like Gary, lacks oratory grace.

(05-24-2020 08:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So the presidential nominee is Jo Jorgensen. They could have done worse. I'll probably vote for her, unless Trump needs me in Texas. And if he needs me in Texas, then the outlook isn't great nationally.

Vote on the VP nominee is today. None of the ones in the VP debate did anything for me, so I'm hoping it's somebody else.

Jorgensen was the best of the top 5 in the debate --- by far.

I'm with you on the vote for the L --- for a Texan it is a safe vote. If it is close enough that Trump *has* to have my vote for Texas, he'll get it. But if it is that much of a struggle to retain Texas, he is hosed overall.

I am looking forward to the Presidential debates --- an overbearing narcissistic ass versus a word salad where the mayo in the dressing has gone slightly rancid.

My bet is that Biden dodges even the concept of appearing on a debate stage. But *if* any debate occurs, I wouldnt miss it for the world just for the jollies of watching that match up. Kind of a Scrooge McDuck vs Goofy face off....

Spike Cohen?

Libertarians need to push their message better and take over the GOP like the marxists prog filth took over the Democrats.

Until this happens you might as well try to race a llama in the Kentucky derby.

(05-24-2020 09:43 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Libertarians need to push their message better and take over the GOP like the marxists prog filth took over the Democrats.

Until this happens you might as well try to race a llama in the Kentucky derby.

you had me until "marxists".

the two party republican form of governance has prevailed for two centuries. I'm really sorry that you feel left out, but you and your ilk can **** right off if you want to turn the most stable republican form of government into a multiparty democracy, like, say, israel.

if you want chaos, listen to the breathing gasbags like the libertarians.

(05-24-2020 04:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-24-2020 08:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So the presidential nominee is Jo Jorgensen. They could have done worse. I'll probably vote for her, unless Trump needs me in Texas. And if he needs me in Texas, then the outlook isn't great nationally.

Vote on the VP nominee is today. None of the ones in the VP debate did anything for me, so I'm hoping it's somebody else.

The least odious choice by far. But she, like Gary, lacks oratory grace.

they're all odious. are you a libertarian/Libertarian just so you can stand on the sidelines and criticize the parties that are actually doing their democratically elected and (frequently article II authorized) jobs?

asking for a freind.

(05-24-2020 11:09 PM)EagleX Wrote:  are you a libertarian/Libertarian just so you can stand on the sidelines and criticize the parties that are actually doing their democratically elected and (frequently article II authorized) jobs?

I'm a libertarian because I believe in liberty and freedom. I vote Libertarian because both democrats and republicans suck.

The "progressive" socialist/communist democrats are my enemies. And republicans are doing precious little to oppose them. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but I'm ready for my enemies' enemies to get on the stick. Stupid party versus evil party.

(05-25-2020 12:08 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-24-2020 11:09 PM)EagleX Wrote:  are you a libertarian/Libertarian just so you can stand on the sidelines and criticize the parties that are actually doing their democratically elected and (frequently article II authorized) jobs?

I'm a libertarian because I believe in liberty and freedom. I vote Libertarian because both democrats and republicans suck.

The "progressive" socialist/communist democrats are my enemies. And republicans are doing precious little to oppose them. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but I'm ready for my enemies' enemies to get on the stick. Stupid party versus evil party.

I am sure that makes you feel all warm and snugly at night.

Ultimately, libertarians/Libertarians are cowards that simply won't choose a side.

(05-25-2020 12:15 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 12:08 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-24-2020 11:09 PM)EagleX Wrote:  are you a libertarian/Libertarian just so you can stand on the sidelines and criticize the parties that are actually doing their democratically elected and (frequently article II authorized) jobs?

I'm a libertarian because I believe in liberty and freedom. I vote Libertarian because both democrats and republicans suck.
The "progressive" socialist/communist democrats are my enemies. And republicans are doing precious little to oppose them. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but I'm ready for my enemies' enemies to get on the stick. Stupid party versus evil party.

I am sure that makes you feel all warm and snugly at night.
Ultimately, libertarians/Libertarians are cowards that simply won't choose a side.

Tell republicans (or democrats, for that matter) that if they want my vote, they need to do better--a lot better. Since 1980, republicans have held the white house 24 out of 40 years, and have had majorities in at least one house of congress 28 out of 40 years, and this country has moved steadily left. That's not being good enemies of my enemies.

Democrats are passionate about pushing the country toward a "progressive" socialist/communist/globalist world view. Republicans are not passionate abut anything. Passion beats non-passion 99 times out of 99. And I'm tired of republicans not doing what they say they stand for.

I despise everything the Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi stand for, but I wish republicans had congressional leaders with the fire and passion that they have. McConnell, Boehner, Ryan, and McCarthy don't have it. I don't know that any of them could lead a sex addict to a whorehouse.

If republicans want my vote, they need to start actually moving the country to the right. Right now, democrats are driving us off a cliff, and all republicans are doing is trying to keep them in second gear.

(05-24-2020 07:29 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Spike Cohen?

The Libertarian Party should just get it over with and pull the plug to quit wasting people’s time. No way you can take them serious with that guy on a ticket for anything.

The choice isn't one or the other but the one that gives you the most freedom! Make the decision that benefits the most people and not some "lesser evil". #jojo2020 #teamjo #votegold

Jo's tweet today.

She gonna give us more freedom.

I didnt know it was hers to give. Do tell.

Let the convoluted weirdness begin.

(05-24-2020 08:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So the presidential nominee is Jo Jorgensen. They could have done worse. I'll probably vote for her, unless Trump needs me in Texas. And if he needs me in Texas, then the outlook isn't great nationally.

Vote on the VP nominee is today. None of the ones in the VP debate did anything for me, so I'm hoping it's somebody else.

Trump needs your vote in TX, not to win the state, but to combat against the ‘muh popular vote’ people who constantly try to undermine GOP presidential wins. Our elections at the presidential, senatorial and house level are binary. Lesser of two evil stuff. It must be nice to vote in a state where you know the (far) lesser of two evils will win while you get to claim moral supremacy. Please understand that your vote has implications beyond Texas due to the way our elections are covered by the media.

Jo Jo is going to make Gary Johnson look like JFK. Her VP candidate is a clown. Literally. https://verminsupreme2020.com/spike/

This is such a waste of time. There is a reason nobody takes the Libertarian Party seriously. It’s a complete joke.

(05-26-2020 05:44 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Jo Jo is going to make Gary Johnson look like JFK. Her VP candidate is a clown. Literally. https://verminsupreme2020.com/spike/
This is such a waste of time. There is a reason nobody takes the Libertarian Party seriously. It’s a complete joke.

This is so sad. In a year when neither major party candidate has widespread appeal, and both have significant issues, libertarians nominate a pair whose appeal will be truly microscopic.

Jorgensen is at least relatively sane. Cohen isn't. I watched the libertarian presidential and VP "debates." Jorgensen was probably the best of the presidential candidates, or maybe Hornberger, but Cohen was clearly the worst VP candidate of the three. Jorgensen and Hornberger was probably the strongest ticket available. The nutcases dominate libertarian party politics, just like with the two main parties.

Like I always say, every time the Liberaltarians start to become attractive to me they go off not into left field, but into the parking lot of the supermarket three blocks down the street from the baseball stadium. Jorgenson wasn't a bad choice, but Spike Cohen?

Never change Liberaltarians, never change.