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Premier P5 coaches unveil ‘New College Baseball Model’
Michigan coach Erik Bakich is leading a committee trying to set recommendations talking about moving the college baseball season back a month in D1, with the College World Series in mid July and the NCAAs starting the July 4 weekend, and the season starting the 3rd weekend of March (the weekend the NCAA basketball tourney starts).

https://d1baseball.com/columns/premier-p...all-model/
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Makes a lot of sense, especially for the student-athletes. Which means it probably won't happen.
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Makes no sense for student-athletes to push it further into the summer. This is just another attempt by the Big 10 to justify their failure to achieve success.
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(05-21-2020 10:06 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Makes a lot of sense, especially for the student-athletes. Which means it probably won't happen.

No it doesn't. Takes away the opportunity to play in the Cape Cod League and let MLB teams see them hit with wooden bats.

Great for the bottom line of colleges, horrible for players hoping to actually get paid for their vocation at some point.
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(05-21-2020 10:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  Makes no sense for student-athletes to push it further into the summer. This is just another attempt by the Big 10 to justify their failure to achieve success.

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(05-21-2020 10:35 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:06 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Makes a lot of sense, especially for the student-athletes. Which means it probably won't happen.

No it doesn't. Takes away the opportunity to play in the Cape Cod League and let MLB teams see them hit with wooden bats.

Great for the bottom line of colleges, horrible for players hoping to actually get paid for their vocation at some point.

I hadn't thought about the summer leagues. I agree with your point about not moving it. The kids need those opportunities, whether in Cape Cod or any of the other summer wooden bat leagues.
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(05-21-2020 10:35 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:06 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Makes a lot of sense, especially for the student-athletes. Which means it probably won't happen.

No it doesn't. Takes away the opportunity to play in the Cape Cod League and let MLB teams see them hit with wooden bats.

You've erased "student" from your definition of "student-athletes".

15 to 20 straight away games scheduled for the start of the season is an issue.

I think it's an ambit claim ... pushing the CWS into July would let the schedule move two weeks, but if the ask for for two weeks, it would be pointed out that have the final on 4th of July weekend would let the schedule move up one week.

So if you want two, ask for four.
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Tell ya what. You p5 folks give us a share of your revenues and we will all agree to the scheduling proposal.
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RE: Premier P5 coaches unveil ‘New College Baseball Model’
Graduation day in spring semester at the University of Michigan is the first Saturday in May. The Michigan coach wants to keep playing "college" baseball for 12 weeks after the end of his spring semester. In other words, every time he utters the phrase "student-athlete", he is lying. His baseball players are just unpaid employees to him.

What the Michigan coach really wants is to prevent every other college baseball team in the USA from playing games until the weather is nice for baseball in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
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I’ll agree only if they’ll pay for FSU to build a domed stadium. Has he even been to Florida in the summer? Not only is it 100 degrees beginning in early June, but it also rains literally every day. If he’d like the experience, I kindly invite him down to a regional in Tallahassee next year. If he doesn’t want to do that, he’s free to ask Ohio State about their experience playing a noon regional game here (spoiler: players were cramping up all over the field and the NCAA record for doubles in a game was set in a 20-something run loss).

I get why northern teams would rather the sport be played later, but that’s how it is. Every geographic region has an advantage in certain sports during certain times of the year. Why don’t we move football season back a month or two until October and November when the weather’s nice down here? Why don’t we have northern teams support a tax to pay southern teams so they can start building community facilities for ice hockey so we can build that sport? It just is what it is and there’s no use complaining about it.
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Michigan played ONE true road basketball game out of conference this past year. If they want to change things, let’s change things.
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RE: Premier P5 coaches unveil ‘New College Baseball Model’
I'm all for it.

Regardless of the Michigan coaches motives or lack thereof, this is best for the game.

1. February and March aren't particularly pleasant no matter what part of the country you're in. In the South, it's raining a great deal and it's not warm yet. It might not be as cold as it is up North, but that doesn't mean it's good weather. Who really wants to play baseball in that? There's a reason MLB Spring Training doesn't begin until March and is confined to Florida and Arizona.

2. Attendance will improve with better weather. What else is there to do in some of these small towns except go out to watch the local college team? To put it another way, how many of these fans are packing the stadium in February and early March? I've been to plenty of Bama baseball games over the years and that's rare.

3. TV ratings will improve. There is no reason for college baseball or softball, for that matter, to be competing head to head with college basketball. The early season games won't be popular either way, but we can get "started sooner" as it were with regard to focusing attention on the sport.

4. The players are already competing after the semester is over. Does it really matter if we extend that by a few weeks? There are plenty of 2 semester sports with this sort of dynamic. I don't see the issue. If nothing else, many athletes are not necessarily graduating in the Spring anyway. Many graduate in the Fall, some in the Summer.

5. Since MLB is insisting on the trimming down of the minor league system, there's really no reason to worry about the impact on pro prospects here. Fewer kids will go to the minors in the first place and that's not a bad thing. A lot more talented prospects are going to college these days anyway because it's a better deal. If you're a high draft pick and getting a nice contract then you might as well focus on the pros. If you're a marginal player then you're better off getting your education...or at least getting a full 4 years in before taking a dive into a minor league system that will be even more ruthless than in the past(reduced slots will lead to more players cut) and doesn't pay that well in the first place.

Outside of that, why worry about the Cape Cod league when college baseball could just transition to wooden bats themselves? It would be safer and do a far better job of showing pro scouts the true effectiveness of a wide range of players. True, that was not in this proposal, but I just don't see a good reason to be worried about the Summer leagues. College baseball should be the Summer league of note if managed correctly.

All in all, this might help the Big Ten and other Northern leagues. I don't particularly care because it will help everyone else too and maybe even the Southern leagues more. Greater attendance and TV ratings will produce more revenue and that's a good thing for anyone with the proximity to quality baseball talent.

*EDIT: The Michigan coach may be leading the committee, but there are coaches from all regions giving input on this. We need to look at the big picture.
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Yup. It seems like every year when Tallahassee or Gainesville has a regional (which is pretty much every year), rain plays havoc. And that’s late May, early June. And the NCAA’s lightning rules (a strike within 8 or 10 miles, you are automatically off field for 30 minutes) would make it even tougher.

I remember the year CofC won the Gainesville regional coming from the 4th seed and there was a 3 or 4 hour rain delay. We played UF starting at like 10:15pm and the game ended well after 1am. By the end of that there might have been 500 in the stadium.

Maybe push it back a week or two so it starts March 1 and they finish up with the CWS on July 4 weekend, but college baseball in the south is meant to be played in spring.
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(05-21-2020 01:44 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Michigan played ONE true road basketball game out of conference this past year. If they want to change things, let’s change things.

Duke and Michigan State also only had one true road game in their non-conference schedule as well. Whats the point? Michigan along with 95% of schools north of the Mason-Dixon line do not want to be playing home games with a chance of snow in the forecast.
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(05-21-2020 02:01 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Yup. It seems like every year when Tallahassee or Gainesville has a regional (which is pretty much every year), rain plays havoc. And that’s late May, early June. And the NCAA’s lightning rules (a strike within 8 or 10 miles, you are automatically off field for 30 minutes) would make it even tougher.

I remember the year CofC won the Gainesville regional coming from the 4th seed and there was a 3 or 4 hour rain delay. We played UF starting at like 10:15pm and the game ended well after 1am. By the end of that there might have been 500 in the stadium.

Maybe push it back a week or two so it starts March 1 and they finish up with the CWS on July 4 weekend, but college baseball in the south is meant to be played in spring.

And rain will be an issue in the South pretty much all Spring and Summer. But a warm day with rain is much more conducive than a cold day with rain.

For one, these guys are beginning their preseason training in December and January. That's simply not necessary. Why have guys running around in the cold(regardless of region)? Why put them in a position where they constantly have to stay moving so their muscles won't tighten up?

Baseball being a very skill oriented sport, is that really best for the athletes? The MLB has always cut things off in October and there's a reason for it.
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(05-21-2020 01:55 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I'm all for it.

Regardless of the Michigan coaches motives or lack thereof, this is best for the game.

1. February and March aren't particularly pleasant no matter what part of the country you're in. In the South, it's raining a great deal and it's not warm yet. It might not be as cold as it is up North, but that doesn't mean it's good weather. Who really wants to play baseball in that? There's a reason MLB Spring Training doesn't begin until March and is confined to Florida and Arizona.

2. Attendance will improve with better weather. What else is there to do in some of these small towns except go out to watch the local college team? To put it another way, how many of these fans are packing the stadium in February and early March? I've been to plenty of Bama baseball games over the years and that's rare.

3. TV ratings will improve. There is no reason for college baseball or softball, for that matter, to be competing head to head with college basketball. The early season games won't be popular either way, but we can get "started sooner" as it were with regard to focusing attention on the sport.

4. The players are already competing after the semester is over. Does it really matter if we extend that by a few weeks? There are plenty of 2 semester sports with this sort of dynamic. I don't see the issue. If nothing else, many athletes are not necessarily graduating in the Spring anyway. Many graduate in the Fall, some in the Summer.

5. Since MLB is insisting on the trimming down of the minor league system, there's really no reason to worry about the impact on pro prospects here. Fewer kids will go to the minors in the first place and that's not a bad thing. A lot more talented prospects are going to college these days anyway because it's a better deal. If you're a high draft pick and getting a nice contract then you might as well focus on the pros. If you're a marginal player then you're better off getting your education...or at least getting a full 4 years in before taking a dive into a minor league system that will be even more ruthless than in the past(reduced slots will lead to more players cut) and doesn't pay that well in the first place.

Outside of that, why worry about the Cape Cod league when college baseball could just transition to wooden bats themselves? It would be safer and do a far better job of showing pro scouts the true effectiveness of a wide range of players. True, that was not in this proposal, but I just don't see a good reason to be worried about the Summer leagues. College baseball should be the Summer league of note if managed correctly.

All in all, this might help the Big Ten and other Northern leagues. I don't particularly care because it will help everyone else too and maybe even the Southern leagues more. Greater attendance and TV ratings will produce more revenue and that's a good thing for anyone with the proximity to quality baseball talent.

*EDIT: The Michigan coach may be leading the committee, but there are coaches from all regions giving input on this. We need to look at the big picture.


As someone who enjoys following ACC, AAC and SEC baseball, I could get on board with this proposal. And AllTideUp makes some very valid points.

I'm open to it.
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So we'll potentially have teams losing top players at the end of the season because they were high MLB draft picks in the second week of June and their organization doesn't want to risk a major injury for the additional month of the college season?
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(05-21-2020 10:37 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  Makes no sense for student-athletes to push it further into the summer. This is just another attempt by the Big 10 to justify their failure to achieve success.

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BIG= bad at baseball, I don't think anybody is denying that?

But where is this just a Big 10 deal? Did you even read the article?
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(05-21-2020 02:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So we'll potentially have teams losing top players at the end of the season because they were high MLB draft picks in the second week of June and their organization doesn't want to risk a major injury for the additional month of the college season?

MLB does the draft still after the season. With the consolidation of the minors, no need to rush the draftees into a short season rookie league - let them play college ball for free, start the pro career in an end of summer/fall league.
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(05-21-2020 02:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 02:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So we'll potentially have teams losing top players at the end of the season because they were high MLB draft picks in the second week of June and their organization doesn't want to risk a major injury for the additional month of the college season?

MLB does the draft still after the season. With the consolidation of the minors, no need to rush the draftees into a short season rookie league - let them play college ball for free, start the pro career in an end of summer/fall league.

And if the MLB doesn't go along with this, then what?

You team is on the road to the conference title and a chance to host a regional when suddenly on June 11th your leading batter and Friday night ace leave the team because they were second and third round picks. You don't win the conference, become a three seed on the road and are two and que in the sweltering heat of a July regional. Was it worth it then?


Or even better. When your school holds it's May graduation ceremonies the five senior leaders you have on your team decide that it's better to get on with their lives and get a paying job to cover the massive school loans they have accrued over the past four years since they were only getting 25% of a scholarship instead of playing baseball for free for the next two months.
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