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Remember Flint was Bush's fault. Not the state's fault or the man that had been in office for a term and a half.
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(05-20-2020 11:24 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Remember Flint was Bush's fault. Not the state's fault or the man that had been in office for a term and a half.

What about the City of Flint?
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All the contaminated water.. Or am I wrong?
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The liberal way -- never take any self responsibility for anything.
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(05-20-2020 10:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  The problem is that the infrastructure in this country is so outdated and on the brink, it can't all be fixed.

While the federal government should pony up the dough, so should the states.

The other caveat to this is, normal people don't want to be inconvenienced if they have to re-route due to work being done. And if the work is done in Union country, it'll be astronomical.

That's the inherent danger of 4 year terms. It always seems that satisfying the cronies who got you elected takes precedence over the needs of the people and besides in 4 years or so it becomes some other guy or gal's problem.

This mindset is killing us everywhere, not just Michigan. We raise gas taxes all the time down south promising to fix the roads, but I swear to you the same stretch of I85 gets repaired every year while bridges in rural counties go until they fail and pot holes on county highways remain unfilled. It's disgusting.

When I was a kid almost all of government was about repair, maintenance, and preparation for infrastructure to augment business and maintain public safety. Once state offices were supported by outside lobby for purposes of use of natural resources priorities changed. It's the same with the nation.

Government can't listen to the whims of major corporations and government employees from the Federal to County level need to get out of their offices and eyeball the things they are responsible for maintaining.

Sadly in the last 50 years I've seen no indication of that. Since the late 60's things have been systemically heading downhill.

By the way Michigan has my prayers. It's a state where most don't realize just how nice the people are outside of the major cities.
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(05-20-2020 11:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 10:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  The problem is that the infrastructure in this country is so outdated and on the brink, it can't all be fixed.

While the federal government should pony up the dough, so should the states.

The other caveat to this is, normal people don't want to be inconvenienced if they have to re-route due to work being done. And if the work is done in Union country, it'll be astronomical.

That's the inherent danger of 4 year terms. It always seems that satisfying the cronies who got you elected takes precedence over the needs of the people and besides in 4 years or so it becomes some other guy or gal's problem.

This mindset is killing us everywhere, not just Michigan. We raise gas taxes all the time down south promising to fix the roads, but I swear to you the same stretch of I85 gets repaired every year while bridges in rural counties go until they fail and pot holes on county highways remain unfilled. It's disgusting.

When I was a kid almost all of government was about repair, maintenance, and preparation for infrastructure to augment business and maintain public safety. Once state offices were supported by outside lobby for purposes of use of natural resources priorities changed. It's the same with the nation.

Government can't listen to the whims of major corporations and government employees from the Federal to County level need to get out of their offices and eyeball the things they are responsible for maintaining.

Sadly in the last 50 years I've seen non indication of that. Since the late 60's things have been systemically heading downhill.

By the way Michigan has my prayers. It's a state where most don't realize just how nice the people are outside of the major cities.
JRsec, I truly appreciate this post. The Great lakes region, better known as the "rust belt" region for some reason, is some of the most beautiful parts of the country. Some of these knucklehead politicians are not a representation of who we truly are.

It's so tiresome on this site to constantly hear how disgusting these states up here are. Just not true and Upper Peninsula Michigan, in my opinion, is the most beautiful part of the entire country. Believe it or not there are still a lot of hard working conservatives in Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, Ohio etc... and not that it really matters!

Preconceived notions are ridiculous and instead of looking down on the rust belt, thank you Mondale, I look at cities like Youngstown, Ohio and the part they played in making the USA as successful as possible in WWII.

So folks in South Carolina, Texas and wherever else can keep looking down on us up here, we're good with that! I have a lot of respect for people of all parts of this country.
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(05-20-2020 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This country needs a serious infrastructure initiative. Could also be a huge jump start to the economy.

See---Republicans and Democrats can agree on some things. I couldnt agree more with you on this.
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(05-20-2020 10:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  The problem is that the infrastructure in this country is so outdated and on the brink, it can't all be fixed.

While the federal government should pony up the dough, so should the states.

The other caveat to this is, normal people don't want to be inconvenienced if they have to re-route due to work being done. And if the work is done in Union country, it'll be astronomical.

I dont doubt that....its a huge job, but you have to actually start working on it before you talk about when it will be finished. We havent even started....and thats just dumb politics.
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(05-20-2020 12:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 10:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  The problem is that the infrastructure in this country is so outdated and on the brink, it can't all be fixed.

While the federal government should pony up the dough, so should the states.

The other caveat to this is, normal people don't want to be inconvenienced if they have to re-route due to work being done. And if the work is done in Union country, it'll be astronomical.

I dont doubt that....its a huge job, but you have to actually start working on it before you talk about when it will be finished. We havent even started....and thats just dumb politics.
I agree. But nobody wants to do it. It can be done. It'd be like eating an elephant. Do it one bite at a time.

If it were me, I think I'd do it as if I were remodeling a house on a budget, do it room by room.

Take the areas of the country that are more densely populated and start in the heavily populated areas and move outward. Set a budget. Ok for NYC we'll give you $1 billion. You need to match it. If you can't match it, we'll move to the next area, you have to have the buy in from local and state. Then it'll need to be bid out properly and given a time table with liquidated damages- you have 6 months to complete this work and 2 weeks past this date LDs start at $10k a day. Put a clause in for forces of nature (extension for weather days and Acts of God) and move on.

All this is just an example. You make sure in areas where there's snow and ice you do that work in the spring/summer, and do work in places that are milder during the winter.
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(05-20-2020 12:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This country needs a serious infrastructure initiative. Could also be a huge jump start to the economy.

See---Republicans and Democrats can agree on some things. I couldnt agree more with you on this.

Everyone agreed on it in 2016, but the Dems won't work with the President.
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Who owns the dams that have failed?
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Boyce Hydro LLC.
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(05-20-2020 09:59 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Been listening to the Dems/media blame Snyder for the handling of the Flint crisis for years now. (I think that's the #1 reason we have Gretchen in office now) Of course, now they're saying Gretchen's completely innocent of this. I'm not blaming her one way or the other, I'm just saying when the governor in power has an R or a D next to their name greatly changes the narrative & how you're supposed to view a crisis. Therefore I think it's only fair the GOP attack her for this. GOP needs to stop sitting on their hands & stop being the party of trying to be 'we're the nice guys' & get on the offensive for once outside President Trump.

I don't buy the 'don't politicze it' crap b/c it'd be a different story if the governor in power had an R next to their name, & I personally am sick of that.

If a Dems in office - don't politicize it.
If a Republican's in office - burn him.

To me, Snyder was way more at fault for his handling of the situation after it was exposed rather than what he did before it happened. Although his emergency manager program wasn't exactly a great success.

If Big Gretch mangles any necessary response here, or ignored any prior warnings to this specific issue, I'll gladly call her out.
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(05-20-2020 10:15 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This country needs a serious infrastructure initiative. Could also be a huge jump start to the economy.

I thought the last administration did that. Shovel ready jobs and all.

They tried. And it had some success. But it was not a big enough investment and they made mistakes by not forcing the states to use for it's intent rather than plugging holes in their balance sheets.
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(05-20-2020 12:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 12:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This country needs a serious infrastructure initiative. Could also be a huge jump start to the economy.

See---Republicans and Democrats can agree on some things. I couldnt agree more with you on this.

Everyone agreed on it in 2016, but the Dems won't work with the President.

What serious infrastructure project has trump proposed that the dems refused to work with him on? About the only thing he's tried to build/repair for over 3 years is that stupid border wall.
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I understand that there's a chemical plant in the way of the water if it breaches. Has anyone thought about removing any chemicals that might spill into the water before it happens. Don't say it can't be done, if there's a will there's a way. It'll be better than have all those chemicals destroying the land and livelihoods of the farmers.
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(05-20-2020 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 09:59 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Been listening to the Dems/media blame Snyder for the handling of the Flint crisis for years now. (I think that's the #1 reason we have Gretchen in office now) Of course, now they're saying Gretchen's completely innocent of this. I'm not blaming her one way or the other, I'm just saying when the governor in power has an R or a D next to their name greatly changes the narrative & how you're supposed to view a crisis. Therefore I think it's only fair the GOP attack her for this. GOP needs to stop sitting on their hands & stop being the party of trying to be 'we're the nice guys' & get on the offensive for once outside President Trump.

I don't buy the 'don't politicze it' crap b/c it'd be a different story if the governor in power had an R next to their name, & I personally am sick of that.

If a Dems in office - don't politicize it.
If a Republican's in office - burn him.

To me, Snyder was way more at fault for his handling of the situation after it was exposed rather than what he did before it happened. Although his emergency manager program wasn't exactly a great success.

If Big Gretch mangles any necessary response here, or ignored any prior warnings to this specific issue, I'll gladly call her out.

It was the Obama EPA that tried to cover up Flynt, skippy.
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Half my family worked at Dow Chemical. They have emergency plans to shutdown the plant and safeguard the environment which were put into motion yesterday. Not saying there is no potential for an environmental disaster, just that they have planned for it. They obviously have not seen water this high ever.

The Midland area gets floods regularly. The previous record flood in 1986 was deemed a 100 year flood. This one they are saying is a 500 year flood. The previous record was eclipsed this morning and the expected crest tonight will be a full 4 feet above that 1986 flood.
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(05-20-2020 02:20 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Half my family worked at Dow Chemical. They have emergency plans to shutdown the plant and safeguard the environment which were put into motion yesterday. Not saying there is no potential for an environmental disaster, just that they have planned for it. They obviously have not seen water this high ever.

The Midland area gets floods regularly. The previous record flood in 1986 was deemed a 100 year flood. This one they are saying is a 500 year flood. The previous record was eclipsed this morning and the expected crest tonight will be a full 4 feet above that 1986 flood.
Jesus, thinking of those folks up there. Stay safe!
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(05-20-2020 09:59 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Been listening to the Dems/media blame Snyder for the handling of the Flint crisis for years now. (I think that's the #1 reason we have Gretchen in office now) Of course, now they're saying Gretchen's completely innocent of this. I'm not blaming her one way or the other, I'm just saying when the governor in power has an R or a D next to their name greatly changes the narrative & how you're supposed to view a crisis. Therefore I think it's only fair the GOP attack her for this. GOP needs to stop sitting on their hands & stop being the party of trying to be 'we're the nice guys' & get on the offensive for once outside President Trump.

I don't buy the 'don't politicze it' crap b/c it'd be a different story if the governor in power had an R next to their name, & I personally am sick of that.

If a Dems in office - don't politicize it.
If a Republican's in office - burn him.

Haven't read any further yet.

How long do I have to go before the first "It's Drumpf's fault" post?

If the left didn't have double standards they'd have no standards at all.
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