(05-20-2020 10:17 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  QPQ happens literally every day - it is almost the ONLY way deals get done.


WHO CARES!

Obviously the democrats did until they didn’t. Karma bites the collective asss.

(05-20-2020 08:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 07:07 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If this is real this is real bad for Biden, but I'd like to see a little more confirmation. My hesitation has nothing to do with believing Biden wouldn't do something like this, I fully believe that, just not sure about this source.

In reading some other sources, it appears the calls are legit. What we don't know yet is what they actually mean. Biden has pretty much already confessed to all of this...wanting Shokin fired and holding up the loan. Unless something in them changes the time line or confirms any of this was done solely to get Burisma or Hunter off the hook, it will amount to nothing. Again, Biden was acting on behalf of our government and with the backing of Ukraine, the IMF, the EU and several GOP senators in wanting Shokin fired.

Damn Tom... I actually agree with you. I listened to this and read the transcripts along with it, i didn't see any surprises. what am i missing?

(05-20-2020 12:04 PM)Oman Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 08:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 07:07 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If this is real this is real bad for Biden, but I'd like to see a little more confirmation. My hesitation has nothing to do with believing Biden wouldn't do something like this, I fully believe that, just not sure about this source.

In reading some other sources, it appears the calls are legit. What we don't know yet is what they actually mean. Biden has pretty much already confessed to all of this...wanting Shokin fired and holding up the loan. Unless something in them changes the time line or confirms any of this was done solely to get Burisma or Hunter off the hook, it will amount to nothing. Again, Biden was acting on behalf of our government and with the backing of Ukraine, the IMF, the EU and several GOP senators in wanting Shokin fired.

Damn Tom... I actually agree with you. I listened to this and read the transcripts along with it, i didn't see any surprises. what am i missing?

Nothing yet. And while this may very well be a QPQ, this was done at the request of the administration, along with the others I note. It was no secret thing done behind close doors. Hence, it was not an issue. Unless we get actual information to the contrary that this was tied to Hunter or Burisma directly, it's nothing we don't already know.

And again, if we find it was for those reasons, Biden needs charged with a crime for whatever law he may have broken. And yes, I still have no plans to vote for him.

(05-20-2020 10:17 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  QPQ happens literally every day - it is almost the ONLY way deals get done.


WHO CARES!

Right...and until it's proven otherwise, this one was done with the knowledge of the president and was not done for any personal reason or benefit.

(05-20-2020 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 10:17 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  QPQ happens literally every day - it is almost the ONLY way deals get done.


WHO CARES!

Right...and until it's proven otherwise, this one was done with the knowledge of the president and was not done for any personal reason or benefit.

EXCEPT the prosecutor was looking into the business the VP's son worked for.

tRUMP JUST REMOVED THE IG INVESTIGATING ELAINE CHAO. CHAO’S HUSBAND, MITCH MCCONNELL, ALREADY VETTED THE REPLACEMENT.
trump continues purging inspectors general, removing a State Department watchdog
Fired State Department IG probed trump’s Saudi arms deals

(05-20-2020 05:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  tRUMP JUST REMOVED THE IG INVESTIGATING ELAINE CHAO. CHAO’S HUSBAND, MITCH MCCONNELL, ALREADY VETTED THE REPLACEMENT.
trump continues purging inspectors general, removing a State Department watchdog
Fired State Department IG probed trump’s Saudi arms deals

Look at the deflection. Stay on topic troll.

(05-20-2020 05:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  tRUMP JUST REMOVED THE IG INVESTIGATING ELAINE CHAO. CHAO’S HUSBAND, MITCH MCCONNELL, ALREADY VETTED THE REPLACEMENT.
trump continues purging inspectors general, removing a State Department watchdog
Fired State Department IG probed trump’s Saudi arms deals

Kinda late to party there Karen. Another deep state Barry appointee looking to make a name for himself by smearing the Trump administration over dog walking. Trump should fire every damn one of them yesterday and move on. Put good people in those positions and get rid of the rent-a-investigations.

(05-20-2020 05:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  tRUMP JUST REMOVED THE IG INVESTIGATING ELAINE CHAO. CHAO’S HUSBAND, MITCH MCCONNELL, ALREADY VETTED THE REPLACEMENT.
trump continues purging inspectors general, removing a State Department watchdog
Fired State Department IG probed trump’s Saudi arms deals

CREW- Tom Deflection 1

Number 2, Vox really?
Number 3, Defense news? Never heard of her, again you dug deep didn't you

RNZ? Oh New Zealand.

For a guy who's not a lib you spend a lot of time deflecting for them and promoting Orange Man bad using left leaning bias hit pieces, the highly touted Seattle Times, Vox, and op/ed pieces.

Keep on trollin'

(05-21-2020 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  For a guy who's not a lib you spend a lot of time deflecting for them and promoting Orange Man bad using left leaning bias hit pieces, the highly touted Seattle Times, Vox, and op/ed pieces.
Keep on trollin'

Not liberal, leftist. I'm a liberal, at least in the classical sense (small government, maximum individual freedom and liberty). He's a leftist, and freely admits that. Just not a democrat, because they aren't far enough left for him.

(05-21-2020 07:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  For a guy who's not a lib you spend a lot of time deflecting for them and promoting Orange Man bad using left leaning bias hit pieces, the highly touted Seattle Times, Vox, and op/ed pieces.
Keep on trollin'

Not liberal, leftist. I'm a liberal, at least in the classical sense (small government, maximum individual freedom and liberty). He's a leftist, and freely admits that. Just not a democrat, because they aren't far enough left for him.

I thought you were describing me there for a second LOL. There seem to be almost no classical liberals in politics anymore, and there used to be a class of Dems that were economic populists but socially moderate that have also died on the national level.

(05-21-2020 07:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Not liberal, leftist. I'm a liberal, at least in the classical sense (small government, maximum individual freedom and liberty). He's a leftist, and freely admits that. Just not a democrat, because they aren't far enough left for him.

On some things sure, but not all things. You clearly know that no political party will check all the boxes for anyone. I loathe Democrats mainly because they're mostly spineless wimps who can't get out of their own way most times.

I don't belong to a party as I see them as the major reason why our government rarely works as designed any more with only two parties running everything.

(05-21-2020 08:08 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 07:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  For a guy who's not a lib you spend a lot of time deflecting for them and promoting Orange Man bad using left leaning bias hit pieces, the highly touted Seattle Times, Vox, and op/ed pieces.
Keep on trollin'

Not liberal, leftist. I'm a liberal, at least in the classical sense (small government, maximum individual freedom and liberty). He's a leftist, and freely admits that. Just not a democrat, because they aren't far enough left for him.

I thought you were describing me there for a second LOL. There seem to be almost no classical liberals in politics anymore, and there used to be a class of Dems that were economic populists but socially moderate that have also died on the national level.

I always considered myself a Conservative Democrat in the line of Pro-Life Democrat Ron Mazzoli and fiscally Conservative Lee Hamilton. With my party veering to the far-left, I found myself alone. My party left me so in 2013 I left it.

Do I agree with everything that the GOP does? Absolutely not....

I still vote Democratic in local elections but I see the National Democratic Party as immoral, evil in my eyes.

(05-20-2020 08:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 07:07 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If this is real this is real bad for Biden, but I'd like to see a little more confirmation. My hesitation has nothing to do with believing Biden wouldn't do something like this, I fully believe that, just not sure about this source.

In reading some other sources, it appears the calls are legit. What we don't know yet is what they actually mean. Biden has pretty much already confessed to all of this...wanting Shokin fired and holding up the loan. Unless something in them changes the time line or confirms any of this was done solely to get Burisma or Hunter off the hook, it will amount to nothing. Again, Biden was acting on behalf of our government and with the backing of Ukraine, the IMF, the EU and several GOP senators in wanting Shokin fired.

So their own confirmed and self admitted QPQ, good. Fake QPQ, bad. Got it.

(05-20-2020 05:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  tRUMP JUST REMOVED THE IG INVESTIGATING ELAINE CHAO. CHAO’S HUSBAND, MITCH MCCONNELL, ALREADY VETTED THE REPLACEMENT.
trump continues purging inspectors general, removing a State Department watchdog
Fired State Department IG probed trump’s Saudi arms deals

Is the IG employed by the Executive Branch?

(05-21-2020 08:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 07:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Not liberal, leftist. I'm a liberal, at least in the classical sense (small government, maximum individual freedom and liberty). He's a leftist, and freely admits that. Just not a democrat, because they aren't far enough left for him.

On some things sure, but not all things. You clearly know that no political party will check all the boxes for anyone. I loathe Democrats mainly because they're mostly spineless wimps who can't get out of their own way most times.

I don't belong to a party as I see them as the major reason why our government rarely works as designed any more with only two parties running everything.

And yet you rush to their defense on every single issue. You don't seem to understand the picture that paints.

(05-21-2020 08:41 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 08:08 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 07:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  For a guy who's not a lib you spend a lot of time deflecting for them and promoting Orange Man bad using left leaning bias hit pieces, the highly touted Seattle Times, Vox, and op/ed pieces.
Keep on trollin'

Not liberal, leftist. I'm a liberal, at least in the classical sense (small government, maximum individual freedom and liberty). He's a leftist, and freely admits that. Just not a democrat, because they aren't far enough left for him.

I thought you were describing me there for a second LOL. There seem to be almost no classical liberals in politics anymore, and there used to be a class of Dems that were economic populists but socially moderate that have also died on the national level.

I always considered myself a Conservative Democrat in the line of Pro-Life Democrat Ron Mazzoli and fiscally Conservative Lee Hamilton. With my party veering to the far-left, I found myself alone. My party left me so in 2013 I left it.

Do I agree with everything that the GOP does? Absolutely not....

I still vote Democratic in local elections but I see the National Democratic Party as immoral, evil in my eyes.

Until the Dems on the national level, NFW do I ever vote for a Dem for anything. There is too much coordination across all the levels of gov't where the national party pulls all the strings now. IMHO, politics are no longer local.

(05-21-2020 08:41 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 08:08 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 07:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  For a guy who's not a lib you spend a lot of time deflecting for them and promoting Orange Man bad using left leaning bias hit pieces, the highly touted Seattle Times, Vox, and op/ed pieces.
Keep on trollin'

Not liberal, leftist. I'm a liberal, at least in the classical sense (small government, maximum individual freedom and liberty). He's a leftist, and freely admits that. Just not a democrat, because they aren't far enough left for him.

I thought you were describing me there for a second LOL. There seem to be almost no classical liberals in politics anymore, and there used to be a class of Dems that were economic populists but socially moderate that have also died on the national level.

I always considered myself a Conservative Democrat in the line of Pro-Life Democrat Ron Mazzoli and fiscally Conservative Lee Hamilton. With my party veering to the far-left, I found myself alone. My party left me so in 2013 I left it.

Do I agree with everything that the GOP does? Absolutely not....

I still vote Democratic in local elections but I see the National Democratic Party as immoral, evil in my eyes.

I've voted democrat in local elections but admittedly that was back in the days when blue dog democrats were still a thing. I left the GOP long ago when I understood that it no longer aligns with my values but still overwhelmingly vote republican as the less of two evils.

Just yesterday I likened democrats to the Chinese people of whom there are millions of good ones who unfortunately have been subjugated to the will of their evil and tyrannical communist government. There are good people who are democrats who have themselves been subjugated to the will of their vile leadership. I see them as misguided idealists who largely haven't yet been woke. Although I do believe the scales have been lifted off the eyes of some, with more to come, as common sense begins to win out.

If I could find a democrat who was pro-life, pro 2A and pro fiscal responsibility I could look past the other liberal social positions while not necessarily agreeing with some of them. But all I see in most of them are wannabe communists.

(05-20-2020 10:17 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  QPQ happens literally every day - it is almost the ONLY way deals get done.


WHO CARES!

Well, certain parties cared enough to impeach an American president.

For only the 3rd time in our history, and they’re working on it yet again.

Yet quid pro Sloe gets a pass for actually doing it, soooo.

Yes, it’s all projection, and yet again precisely what they accuse is precisely what they have or are engaged in.

But Orange Man Bad.

If it wasn’t for double standards the left would have no standards at all.

Sad

(05-20-2020 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 10:17 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  QPQ happens literally every day - it is almost the ONLY way deals get done.


WHO CARES!

Right...and until it's proven otherwise, this one was done with the knowledge of the president and was not done for any personal reason or benefit.

Lol

Knowledge of the president excuses this.

Yet when the President himself has a phone call it’s impeeeeshmints time.

You leftists are comical