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RE: CMU cuts Men's Track and Field.....
(05-26-2020 01:55 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  At Akron the faculty to student ratio is 20:1 so if you're eliminating 20 scholarships that may also eliminate 1 intro professor as well.

And that's just what it happens to be over 15,500 students and roughly 775 faculty. They don't mechanically hire an extra faculty member if they put 20 more athletes on scholarship, nor do they save a faculty salary if they take 20 athletes off of scholarship ... they have the senior academic staff to run the research programs and other academic affairs and fill in enough junior academic staff to get the classes offered they need to offer so their degree students can complete a degree on time.

The athletic department will have people working on tutoring athletes, note takers, etc. to make sure they stay in academic compliance ... there's a big factor why the actual scholarship cost isn't just the books, the electricity in the dorm room and the food at the training table ... so the incremental educational costs of a scholarship aren't $0, but those are on the athletic budget, not the University general education budget.

Plus a lot of that is likely to be focused on the FB and Basketball teams, with part of the job of the other scholarship athletes to raise the average academic standing of the students on athletic scholarship.
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RE: CMU cuts Men's Track and Field.....
(05-27-2020 03:38 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(05-26-2020 01:55 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  At Akron the faculty to student ratio is 20:1 so if you're eliminating 20 scholarships that may also eliminate 1 intro professor as well.

And that's just what it happens to be over 15,500 students and roughly 775 faculty. They don't mechanically hire an extra faculty member if they put 20 more athletes on scholarship, nor do they save a faculty salary if they take 20 athletes off of scholarship ... they have the senior academic staff to run the research programs and other academic affairs and fill in enough junior academic staff to get the classes offered they need to offer so their degree students can complete a degree on time.

The athletic department will have people working on tutoring athletes, note takers, etc. to make sure they stay in academic compliance ... there's a big factor why the actual scholarship cost isn't just the books, the electricity in the dorm room and the food at the training table ... so the incremental educational costs of a scholarship aren't $0, but those are on the athletic budget, not the University general education budget.

Plus a lot of that is likely to be focused on the FB and Basketball teams, with part of the job of the other scholarship athletes to raise the average academic standing of the students on athletic scholarship.

No, perhaps not at 20, but if you start getting into the hundreds of scholarships athletes, it certainly leads into needing a few extra faculty. Exactly how many students would need to be reduced to cut 1 faculty member I wouldn't know where to begin to guess. I just wanted to acknowledge it exists and used 20 as that's the current ratio. Perhaps in reality it's really 30 or 40.

It may not be mechanical, but if enrollment was cut in half, they would't stay at 775 faculty. There is going to be some sort of correlation between the two.
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(05-27-2020 01:43 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(05-27-2020 03:38 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(05-26-2020 01:55 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  At Akron the faculty to student ratio is 20:1 so if you're eliminating 20 scholarships that may also eliminate 1 intro professor as well.

And that's just what it happens to be over 15,500 students and roughly 775 faculty. They don't mechanically hire an extra faculty member if they put 20 more athletes on scholarship, nor do they save a faculty salary if they take 20 athletes off of scholarship ... they have the senior academic staff to run the research programs and other academic affairs and fill in enough junior academic staff to get the classes offered they need to offer so their degree students can complete a degree on time.

The athletic department will have people working on tutoring athletes, note takers, etc. to make sure they stay in academic compliance ... there's a big factor why the actual scholarship cost isn't just the books, the electricity in the dorm room and the food at the training table ... so the incremental educational costs of a scholarship aren't $0, but those are on the athletic budget, not the University general education budget.

Plus a lot of that is likely to be focused on the FB and Basketball teams, with part of the job of the other scholarship athletes to raise the average academic standing of the students on athletic scholarship.

No, perhaps not at 20, but if you start getting into the hundreds of scholarships athletes, it certainly leads into needing a few extra faculty. Exactly how many students would need to be reduced to cut 1 faculty member I wouldn't know where to begin to guess. I just wanted to acknowledge it exists and used 20 as that's the current ratio. Perhaps in reality it's really 30 or 40.

It may not be mechanical, but if enrollment was cut in half, they would't stay at 775 faculty. There is going to be some sort of correlation between the two.

But a couple of extra visiting lecturers are cheap ... the real question is how many administrators get to justify expanding their administrative empires and increase the size of the vampire squid wrapped around the educational establishment.

I don't really have a handle on that, that's getting a bit too far above my pay grade.
05-28-2020 12:52 PM
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