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DeAndre Williams' mentor disses UK recruiting
“They think they can show up [late] to the dance and steal your girl”

Heading into the weekend, Evansville transfer DeAndre Williams announced his commitment to Memphis, choosing the Tigers over fellow finalists Arkansas, Baylor, and Kentucky.
Following the announcement, though, attention turned to the ongoing back-and-forth between Kentucky and Memphis fans and media members regarding UK’s true contact and interest heading into the home stretch of Williams’ recruitment.
Kentucky’s side argued John Calipari and the UK coaching staff backed off in Williams’ recruitment, while Memphis’ side argued it was a hard-fought win for Penny Hardaway and the Tiger coaching staff over the Wildcats.
Today, Williams’ former head coach and mentor Kenneth Roy joined the Jason & John Show in Memphis to sort through the rumors and clarify Kentucky’s side of things, where he threw multiple jabs at the UK’s recruiting tactics in the process.

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This is so silly.
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What I take from it...is Penny still building relationships on the recruiting trail...and it coming again at the expense of UK.

UK fans reason that Cal backed off...didn't really want the guy...when it's clear that they were recruiting the player until the end.
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(05-19-2020 09:23 AM)tigerbologna Wrote:  This is so silly.

Yeah the sports world is bored right now. But here’s the takeaway:some kids respond to being seen as people and not just as pieces. Not all of them, but some. And DeAndre seems to be one of them.
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Penny is destroying Cal in recruiting. You can make the case that they could have won a national championship with Wiseman and DJ.
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It's interesting that all contact had to go through the former coach ( think that is what he was). Like he is the kid's agent or something. Kinda odd in a way...it would raise some red flags for me, and I would have to dig a bit deeper. I would want confirmation from the kid and his mom that this is the way they want things handled.
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I like Roy, he isn't afraid to call out Cal and his bs
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(05-19-2020 11:30 AM)mapdude Wrote:  It's interesting that all contact had to go through the former coach ( think that is what he was). Like he is the kid's agent or something. Kinda odd in a way...it would raise some red flags for me, and I would have to dig a bit deeper. I would want confirmation from the kid and his mom that this is the way they want things handled.

Yep
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(05-19-2020 11:30 AM)mapdude Wrote:  It's interesting that all contact had to go through the former coach ( think that is what he was). Like he is the kid's agent or something. Kinda odd in a way...it would raise some red flags for me, and I would have to dig a bit deeper. I would want confirmation from the kid and his mom that this is the way they want things handled.

Yep that is almost always a "pay me if you want to talk to the kid" situation. Almost every single time.
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No he coached the young man up in Oklahoma. You probably think Penny is in it for $$$
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(05-19-2020 02:12 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  No he coached the young man up in Oklahoma. You probably think Penny is in it for $$$

Is he getting paid ? I didn't know he was working for free.
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(05-19-2020 02:12 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  No he coached the young man up in Oklahoma. You probably think Penny is in it for $$$

I wouldn't be surprised if money changed hands.

College BBall is dirty...
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$11.5K seems to be a good starting point in negotiations....#snicker
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(05-19-2020 03:38 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 02:12 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  No he coached the young man up in Oklahoma. You probably think Penny is in it for $$$

Is he getting paid ? I didn't know he was working for free.
Nobody said Penny is working for free.

Penny took a salary well below what he could have asked for, and still has.

Not saying there isn't side money to be made, but Penny is nothing like Cal was demanding a max raise from our school every season or he is "leaving".

No, Penny isn't in it for the money. He is underpaid compared to his peers and did us a huge favor rescuing us from that horrible Tubby contract.

Do you work for free?

Do you ever help anyone out without charging them? How about charging them minimally because you have a relationship of some type?

Would Penny or Roy be doing something unethical by doing the same?
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(05-19-2020 11:57 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 03:38 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 02:12 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  No he coached the young man up in Oklahoma. You probably think Penny is in it for $$$

Is he getting paid ? I didn't know he was working for free.
Nobody said Penny is working for free.

Penny took a salary well below what he could have asked for, and still has.

Not saying there isn't side money to be made, but Penny is nothing like Cal was demanding a max raise from our school every season or he is "leaving".

No, Penny isn't in it for the money. He is underpaid compared to his peers and did us a huge favor rescuing us from that horrible Tubby contract.

Do you work for free?

Do you ever help anyone out without charging them? How about charging them minimally because you have a relationship of some type?

Would Penny or Roy be doing something unethical by doing the same?

Penny was a high school coach...

So I don't think there really are any "peers" to compare him to for salary purposes.

But just for reference when Pastner was hired he was making less than 1Million a year...Penny made 1.3 last year.
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(05-20-2020 01:45 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 11:57 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 03:38 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 02:12 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  No he coached the young man up in Oklahoma. You probably think Penny is in it for $$$

Is he getting paid ? I didn't know he was working for free.
Nobody said Penny is working for free.

Penny took a salary well below what he could have asked for, and still has.

Not saying there isn't side money to be made, but Penny is nothing like Cal was demanding a max raise from our school every season or he is "leaving".

No, Penny isn't in it for the money. He is underpaid compared to his peers and did us a huge favor rescuing us from that horrible Tubby contract.

Do you work for free?

Do you ever help anyone out without charging them? How about charging them minimally because you have a relationship of some type?

Would Penny or Roy be doing something unethical by doing the same?

Penny was a high school coach...

So I don't think there really are any "peers" to compare him to for salary purposes.

But just for reference when Pastner was hired he was making less than 1Million a year...Penny made 1.3 last year.

When Pastner was hired over 10 years ago no one else would take the job. And no other college would have hired him as a head coach.
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(05-20-2020 09:17 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 01:45 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 11:57 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 03:38 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 02:12 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  No he coached the young man up in Oklahoma. You probably think Penny is in it for $$$

Is he getting paid ? I didn't know he was working for free.
Nobody said Penny is working for free.

Penny took a salary well below what he could have asked for, and still has.

Not saying there isn't side money to be made, but Penny is nothing like Cal was demanding a max raise from our school every season or he is "leaving".

No, Penny isn't in it for the money. He is underpaid compared to his peers and did us a huge favor rescuing us from that horrible Tubby contract.

Do you work for free?

Do you ever help anyone out without charging them? How about charging them minimally because you have a relationship of some type?

Would Penny or Roy be doing something unethical by doing the same?

Penny was a high school coach...

So I don't think there really are any "peers" to compare him to for salary purposes.

But just for reference when Pastner was hired he was making less than 1Million a year...Penny made 1.3 last year.

When Pastner was hired over 10 years ago no one else would take the job. And no other college would have hired him as a head coach.

Pastner was had many years as a college assistant and I don't think there was a line of Major colleges beating down Hardaways door to be a head coach either.

IMO...Hardaway making 1.3 Million a year is not him doing the university a favor. It is a fair salary for a High School coach with no experience but had connections to many high level recruits.
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(05-20-2020 11:32 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 09:17 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 01:45 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 11:57 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 03:38 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Is he getting paid ? I didn't know he was working for free.
Nobody said Penny is working for free.

Penny took a salary well below what he could have asked for, and still has.

Not saying there isn't side money to be made, but Penny is nothing like Cal was demanding a max raise from our school every season or he is "leaving".

No, Penny isn't in it for the money. He is underpaid compared to his peers and did us a huge favor rescuing us from that horrible Tubby contract.

Do you work for free?

Do you ever help anyone out without charging them? How about charging them minimally because you have a relationship of some type?

Would Penny or Roy be doing something unethical by doing the same?

Penny was a high school coach...

So I don't think there really are any "peers" to compare him to for salary purposes.

But just for reference when Pastner was hired he was making less than 1Million a year...Penny made 1.3 last year.

When Pastner was hired over 10 years ago no one else would take the job. And no other college would have hired him as a head coach.

Pastner was had many years as a college assistant and I don't think there was a line of Major colleges beating down Hardaways door to be a head coach either.

IMO...Hardaway making 1.3 Million a year is not him doing the university a favor. It is a fair salary for a High School coach with no experience but had connections to many high level recruits.

I agree with you 100%. Penny is making really good money for his first contract as a college coach with no prior college experience. Plenty of college coaches with many years of work would jump at 1.3mil.
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(05-20-2020 12:17 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 11:32 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 09:17 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 01:45 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 11:57 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Nobody said Penny is working for free.

Penny took a salary well below what he could have asked for, and still has.

Not saying there isn't side money to be made, but Penny is nothing like Cal was demanding a max raise from our school every season or he is "leaving".

No, Penny isn't in it for the money. He is underpaid compared to his peers and did us a huge favor rescuing us from that horrible Tubby contract.

Do you work for free?

Do you ever help anyone out without charging them? How about charging them minimally because you have a relationship of some type?

Would Penny or Roy be doing something unethical by doing the same?

Penny was a high school coach...

So I don't think there really are any "peers" to compare him to for salary purposes.

But just for reference when Pastner was hired he was making less than 1Million a year...Penny made 1.3 last year.

When Pastner was hired over 10 years ago no one else would take the job. And no other college would have hired him as a head coach.

Pastner was had many years as a college assistant and I don't think there was a line of Major colleges beating down Hardaways door to be a head coach either.

IMO...Hardaway making 1.3 Million a year is not him doing the university a favor. It is a fair salary for a High School coach with no experience but had connections to many high level recruits.

I agree with you 100%. Penny is making really good money for his first contract as a college coach with no prior college experience. Plenty of college coaches with many years of work would jump at 1.3mil.

None with Penny's clout.
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$1M for Penny is a deal. All you have to do is look at attendance the last 2 years, donations, PR, and tv games. Thinking pay is tied to how many years you were a college assistant is an obsolete model.

Using a Pastner comparison from 11 years ago is also obsolete. Cal left us to become the highest paid coach in the country at $3.9M. He now makes $8M and K is the highest paid at $9M.

Penny was not Pastner. And things have changed. He is absolutely doing the university, fans, and community a favor.
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