(05-20-2020 06:59 PM)steves Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 06:44 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 06:17 PM)steves Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 05:26 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 05:17 PM)steves Wrote:  How many football fans you figure are church goers. Everyone will have to distance at first. That's why i put a 12 year old age limit in there. Kids gonna need to be ok sitting a couple of seats away from mom and dad. Its this or no fans. For the first few weeks at least. The " I'm not going if we can't sit together " crowd can wait till October.

Um---millions

I was going for a percentage, but if you not able to coverse seriously ... Get lost.

"How many" is a question that asks for a quantity.

I'm not trying to turn this into a religious debate. My point is that churches have a lot of people singing in tight spaces, and they're just starting to open up. They have all summer to see if their precautions are going to work.

The percentage of Americans that say they attend a church weekly was 39% in 2013. With a US population estimated at 316.1 million in 2013, that's over 123 million people that claim to attend weekly. Is that a large enough sample size?

I'm typing on a small tablet ... So I keep it to a minimum. Just looking for opinions on how we make it work. My statement was a response to the post above about families must be able to sit together ... And the liars that would claim they're related. So everyone must distance ... Or it won't work. As for churches, most will be practicing social distancing for awhile IMO.

When we get back to fans, whenever that is, they will not space every single one out. First, it is unnecessary. Households are allowed together already in every instance of reopening - public transport, pools, beaches, shops, churches. Second, it would severely limit capacity. You skip rows and seats, and you're at 25% unless I'm missing something. Allow families together and you can see that number back at 50% easy enough.

It will likely be if you're in the household or rode together, you can sit together. We have to be willing to allow people some personal responsibility to be truthful, rather than try to regulate everything.

(05-20-2020 08:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 06:59 PM)steves Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 06:44 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 06:17 PM)steves Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 05:26 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Um---millions

I was going for a percentage, but if you not able to coverse seriously ... Get lost.

"How many" is a question that asks for a quantity.

I'm not trying to turn this into a religious debate. My point is that churches have a lot of people singing in tight spaces, and they're just starting to open up. They have all summer to see if their precautions are going to work.

The percentage of Americans that say they attend a church weekly was 39% in 2013. With a US population estimated at 316.1 million in 2013, that's over 123 million people that claim to attend weekly. Is that a large enough sample size?

I'm typing on a small tablet ... So I keep it to a minimum. Just looking for opinions on how we make it work. My statement was a response to the post above about families must be able to sit together ... And the liars that would claim they're related. So everyone must distance ... Or it won't work. As for churches, most will be practicing social distancing for awhile IMO.

When we get back to fans, whenever that is, they will not space every single one out. First, it is unnecessary. Households are allowed together already in every instance of reopening - public transport, pools, beaches, shops, churches. Second, it would severely limit capacity. You skip rows and seats, and you're at 25% unless I'm missing something. Allow families together and you can see that number back at 50% easy enough.

It will likely be if you're in the household or rode together, you can sit together. We have to be willing to allow people some personal responsibility to be truthful, rather than try to regulate everything.

yep

(05-20-2020 05:17 PM)steves Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 04:40 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 02:36 PM)steves Wrote:  It's kinda easy really ... Figure out how many fans can sit in your stadium and remain 6 feet apart. Sell just those seats. Have a couple of cameras pointed at the stands. If people decide to ignore social distancing ... Stop play. Announce it, show it on the big screen. If they cause trouble, they're ejected.
Temp checks and masks. Food in bags, drinks in bottles. No alcohol !! No older people or kids younger than 12.
It would be great to require proof of a recent cv19 test to enter as well. And require a week off after the first game per stadium. Just to see where we are.
If we're good ... Loosen up a little each month. If it's not working ... NO FANS !!
HOPEFULLY ... It's this year only.

Ok... since you're wanting us to take this seriously. There's no need for people within one household to social distance. If we live together and drive to the game in the same car, we should be able to sit together. The problem you have is that people would sit together as a "family unit" and just lie about it if confronted. "NO, I swear we're all related".

Maybe look at what churches are starting to do as they open up... Family units sit together. Leave an empty row in front and back (so use every other row). Then keep people separated within the row. Sounds fine until someone in the middle of the row needs to pee.

How many football fans you figure are church goers. Everyone will have to distance at first. That's why i put a 12 year old age limit in there. Kids gonna need to be ok sitting a couple of seats away from mom and dad. Its this or no fans. For the first few weeks at least. The " I'm not going if we can't sit together " crowd can wait till October.

Out of sheer curiosity, what is your basis for “allowing” people to sit together in October and not sit together in September? Why would anyone have to wait until October to mysteriously be able to “sit together”? Also, would be interested to know why that’s your opinion in MAY when all factual data is trending that this virus is phasing out.

I thought the mysterious “second wave” was supposed to hit in the fall. So, it’s ok for us to sit together in the fall months (October) and not late August/September when it’s warmer outside. Interesting take.

(05-20-2020 03:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 04:23 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  For example, because we may have "cookouts" this weekend to observe the soldiers that serve/served/died to allow us to live FREELY in this great nation our leaders state that we have to wait "21 days" instead of "14 days" before the next phase opens up because we might see an uptick in cases. Thank you, Czar Strickland/Czar Harris, your leadership is truly unmatched. Can you believe, based on statistics, that's the world we're living in right now? It's almost incomprehensible.

I missed that announcement. Why wouldn't they at least wait to see if the numbers uptick? They say they want to use the data - until they don't.

The beaches are another head-scratcher. Many states are still restricting the beaches from sunbathers. It's dumb. First, it's easy to distance at the beach - especially when you're sunbathing and lying flat on your back. Second, we know sunlight and heat are bad for the virus. Why wouldn't they encourage people to do that responsibly?

Many seem to simply want to remind you they are in control. Tami Sawyer is a local example - even worse than Strickland or Harris.

Agreed about Tami, it’s alarming that she represents our city in a public forum and is able to create policies affecting us both. Obviously a brilliant move by her to require people by law to wear a mask and fine those that do not. Unfortunate this is the world we live in. I do like those participants that wear masks in their vehicles with the window down. That brings a laugh, interesting times indeed.

Well, the beaches are obvious, I mean think about the high winds and all of the “spit residue” that mysteriously lingers in the air for 12 hours, according to the experts. The horror!!!

(05-20-2020 08:21 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 05:17 PM)steves Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 04:40 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 02:36 PM)steves Wrote:  It's kinda easy really ... Figure out how many fans can sit in your stadium and remain 6 feet apart. Sell just those seats. Have a couple of cameras pointed at the stands. If people decide to ignore social distancing ... Stop play. Announce it, show it on the big screen. If they cause trouble, they're ejected.
Temp checks and masks. Food in bags, drinks in bottles. No alcohol !! No older people or kids younger than 12.
It would be great to require proof of a recent cv19 test to enter as well. And require a week off after the first game per stadium. Just to see where we are.
If we're good ... Loosen up a little each month. If it's not working ... NO FANS !!
HOPEFULLY ... It's this year only.

Ok... since you're wanting us to take this seriously. There's no need for people within one household to social distance. If we live together and drive to the game in the same car, we should be able to sit together. The problem you have is that people would sit together as a "family unit" and just lie about it if confronted. "NO, I swear we're all related".

Maybe look at what churches are starting to do as they open up... Family units sit together. Leave an empty row in front and back (so use every other row). Then keep people separated within the row. Sounds fine until someone in the middle of the row needs to pee.

How many football fans you figure are church goers. Everyone will have to distance at first. That's why i put a 12 year old age limit in there. Kids gonna need to be ok sitting a couple of seats away from mom and dad. Its this or no fans. For the first few weeks at least. The " I'm not going if we can't sit together " crowd can wait till October.

Out of sheer curiosity, what is your basis for “allowing” people to sit together in October and not sit together in September? Why would anyone have to wait until October to mysteriously be able to “sit together”? Also, would be interested to know why that’s your opinion in MAY when all factual data is trending that this virus is phasing out.

I thought the mysterious “second wave” was supposed to hit in the fall. So, it’s ok for us to sit together in the fall months (October) and not late August/September when it’s warmer outside. Interesting take.

^^THIS^^----the same goes for restaurants 25% capacity then a week later or the next day its magically safe to go to 50%---then 75% etc etc---or 2 people in a boat instead of 3---or beach goers can get in wet sand but not dry sand----none of it makes much sense . Having 30K for game 1 then magically 60K for games 2/6/10. No-- lets fill it up for game one.

(05-19-2020 12:32 AM)TigerinFL Wrote:  From the WSJ (behind a paywall)

Texas A& M athletic director Ross Bjork explains how the pandemic will potentially change fan traditions at Kyle Field during football games

TLDR: a fiasco in the making. Apparently students get the heave ho. Only a portion of the non student ticket holders get to attend.

BY LAINE HIGGINS

College Station, Texas, isn’t prone to earthquakes. But when 100,000-plus Texas A& M fans chant their school’s “War Hymn” at football games, the stands at Kyle Field shake. During the final verse, when the lyrics instruct the Aggies to “saw varsity’s horns off,” revelers link arms with their neighbors and turn the stadium into a rolling sea of maroon and white.

It’s one the most high-density scenes in college football, heavily reliant on human contact—and completely out of step with the reality of the coronavirus pandemic.

And now Texas A& M athletic director Ross Bjork is the man who has to figure out what that rowdy setting is supposed to look like if the nearest person is 6 feet away. It’s not clear if the college football season will start on time or at all, and whether fans will be allowed to attend when play begins.

But as the overseer of a program that is heavily dependent on fan traditions, Bjork is grappling with the question of how to stage a game at a time when the pandemic has posed previously unasked questions about mass gatherings.

“We’ll do everything we can in our power to have safeguards and follow the best practices,” said Bjork. “But a lot of it will depend on what does our society feel, what does our society think about large gatherings?”

With a capacity of 102,733, Texas A& M’s Kyle Field is one of the largest college football stadiums in the country. About 85,000 of the attendees each game are season ticket holders, with roughly 35,000 of them students.

Bjork already knows he won’t be able to accommodate all of his season-ticket holders at once if social distancing guidelines are in place. That means the university will have to sort out who gets to attend which games, which season ticket holders get priority in selecting games and how to distribute refunds.

“We’re going to present all kinds of different options, whether that is a partial refund if it is a shortened season, whether it is a full refund, whether people want to take that money and apply it to the 2021 season, whether people just want to donate that money,” said Bjork. “Physically, all 85,000 people would not fit if we have to socially distance.”

In the meantime, Texas A& M officials have informally listened to guidance from an architectural firm to map out a “socially distanced seating chart” for their famous venue. Concessions and restrooms are among the more mundane gameday functions that are being rethought.

And the university is discussing ways of allowing fans to experience Kyle Field’s electric atmosphere, even if they aren’t actually at their seats. That could mean creating viewing areas in the concourses, or common spaces with large television screens.

Like many big programs, Texas A& M has an incentive to pack as many fans into its stadium as possible. Ticket sales for all sports, football chief among them, are the athletic department’s biggest revenue source, making up approximately 32% of its $151.9 million in revenue in 2019.

But packing stadiums during the coronavirus pandemic potentially carries massive risk and runs counter to guidelines from public health officials to socially distance. Even with appropriate distance, there’s no way to enforce that attendees stay 6 feet apart.

With people screaming and potentially sneezing or coughing, aerosolized transmission is also more probable than in other settings, said Colleen Kraft, associate chief medical officer of Emory University Hospital and an infectious disease doctor who was part of the panel that guided the NCAA to shut down spring athletics. Aerosols are small particles that stay in the air longer, potentially increasing the chance a healthy person will breath them in.

“That’s what’s concerning,” Dr. Kraft said. “So that is, in a way, amplified in a stadium” because of prolonged contact over many hours with people who have mild or no symptoms.

The difficulties with staging a football game are not limited to the stadium itself. First, there’s the tailgating. Tossing around the pigskin in the parking lot or setting up a spread of communal canapes are perfect settings for viral transmission. Then, there is a potentially dangerous choke point when fans enter the stadium through security checks that, under normal circumstances, already feature long lines and close quarters. Entering a football game this fall may mean standing in a spaced out line and going through a sanitation screening after scanning your ticket, said Bjork.

Limiting contact during the concessions process will be a priority.

Bjork said Texas A& M is also considering requiring fans to bring their own reusable containers if they wish to purchase a beverage.

At this point, with coronavirus cases still rising and many states in the early phases of reopening, it’s uncertain when the next football game with fans will be played.

“One of the things that we’ve learned from watching Dr. Fauci is…we don’t control the timeline.

The virus does,” said Bjork.

—Daniela Hernandez and Adam Falk contributed to this article.

7 games*103,000fans/game*$70/ticket =$49million or so. And I don't think that they have to share that revenue with anybody else, do they?

(05-20-2020 08:41 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 08:21 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 05:17 PM)steves Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 04:40 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 02:36 PM)steves Wrote:  It's kinda easy really ... Figure out how many fans can sit in your stadium and remain 6 feet apart. Sell just those seats. Have a couple of cameras pointed at the stands. If people decide to ignore social distancing ... Stop play. Announce it, show it on the big screen. If they cause trouble, they're ejected.
Temp checks and masks. Food in bags, drinks in bottles. No alcohol !! No older people or kids younger than 12.
It would be great to require proof of a recent cv19 test to enter as well. And require a week off after the first game per stadium. Just to see where we are.
If we're good ... Loosen up a little each month. If it's not working ... NO FANS !!
HOPEFULLY ... It's this year only.

Ok... since you're wanting us to take this seriously. There's no need for people within one household to social distance. If we live together and drive to the game in the same car, we should be able to sit together. The problem you have is that people would sit together as a "family unit" and just lie about it if confronted. "NO, I swear we're all related".

Maybe look at what churches are starting to do as they open up... Family units sit together. Leave an empty row in front and back (so use every other row). Then keep people separated within the row. Sounds fine until someone in the middle of the row needs to pee.

How many football fans you figure are church goers. Everyone will have to distance at first. That's why i put a 12 year old age limit in there. Kids gonna need to be ok sitting a couple of seats away from mom and dad. Its this or no fans. For the first few weeks at least. The " I'm not going if we can't sit together " crowd can wait till October.

Out of sheer curiosity, what is your basis for “allowing” people to sit together in October and not sit together in September? Why would anyone have to wait until October to mysteriously be able to “sit together”? Also, would be interested to know why that’s your opinion in MAY when all factual data is trending that this virus is phasing out.

I thought the mysterious “second wave” was supposed to hit in the fall. So, it’s ok for us to sit together in the fall months (October) and not late August/September when it’s warmer outside. Interesting take.

^^THIS^^----the same goes for restaurants 25% capacity then a week later or the next day its magically safe to go to 50%---then 75% etc etc---or 2 people in a boat instead of 3---or beach goers can get in wet sand but not dry sand----none of it makes much sense . Having 30K for game 1 then magically 60K for games 2/6/10. No-- lets fill it up for game one.

Because thats how ... In my opinion ... It'll have to be done. You can't just stop practicing social distancing. Gotta bring this all back in stages. Hey, do you guys really think that's what will happen or just wishful thinking ?

Someone said we've been social distancing for yrs, KORRECT
However, Memphians now have another excuse to stay home and watch sec games added to
Too hot, cold windy, calling for rain and on occasion actually raining.
Live your life, it's a virus deal with it. Wear a mask, gloves, long sleeves goggles use hand sanitizer
But please don't hide in fear, if u have health issues and consider yourself elderly be careful, I wouldn't recommend
A 85 yr old sitting in a cold rain watching a football game, but I know a couple of Dudes who would suit up and be there.
Please take precautions but don't let people who want to crash the economy ruin your life with fear

(05-20-2020 09:55 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 12:32 AM)TigerinFL Wrote:  From the WSJ (behind a paywall)

Texas A& M athletic director Ross Bjork explains how the pandemic will potentially change fan traditions at Kyle Field during football games

TLDR: a fiasco in the making. Apparently students get the heave ho. Only a portion of the non student ticket holders get to attend.

BY LAINE HIGGINS

College Station, Texas, isn’t prone to earthquakes. But when 100,000-plus Texas A& M fans chant their school’s “War Hymn” at football games, the stands at Kyle Field shake. During the final verse, when the lyrics instruct the Aggies to “saw varsity’s horns off,” revelers link arms with their neighbors and turn the stadium into a rolling sea of maroon and white.

It’s one the most high-density scenes in college football, heavily reliant on human contact—and completely out of step with the reality of the coronavirus pandemic.

And now Texas A& M athletic director Ross Bjork is the man who has to figure out what that rowdy setting is supposed to look like if the nearest person is 6 feet away. It’s not clear if the college football season will start on time or at all, and whether fans will be allowed to attend when play begins.

But as the overseer of a program that is heavily dependent on fan traditions, Bjork is grappling with the question of how to stage a game at a time when the pandemic has posed previously unasked questions about mass gatherings.

“We’ll do everything we can in our power to have safeguards and follow the best practices,” said Bjork. “But a lot of it will depend on what does our society feel, what does our society think about large gatherings?”

With a capacity of 102,733, Texas A& M’s Kyle Field is one of the largest college football stadiums in the country. About 85,000 of the attendees each game are season ticket holders, with roughly 35,000 of them students.

Bjork already knows he won’t be able to accommodate all of his season-ticket holders at once if social distancing guidelines are in place. That means the university will have to sort out who gets to attend which games, which season ticket holders get priority in selecting games and how to distribute refunds.

“We’re going to present all kinds of different options, whether that is a partial refund if it is a shortened season, whether it is a full refund, whether people want to take that money and apply it to the 2021 season, whether people just want to donate that money,” said Bjork. “Physically, all 85,000 people would not fit if we have to socially distance.”

In the meantime, Texas A& M officials have informally listened to guidance from an architectural firm to map out a “socially distanced seating chart” for their famous venue. Concessions and restrooms are among the more mundane gameday functions that are being rethought.

And the university is discussing ways of allowing fans to experience Kyle Field’s electric atmosphere, even if they aren’t actually at their seats. That could mean creating viewing areas in the concourses, or common spaces with large television screens.

Like many big programs, Texas A& M has an incentive to pack as many fans into its stadium as possible. Ticket sales for all sports, football chief among them, are the athletic department’s biggest revenue source, making up approximately 32% of its $151.9 million in revenue in 2019.

But packing stadiums during the coronavirus pandemic potentially carries massive risk and runs counter to guidelines from public health officials to socially distance. Even with appropriate distance, there’s no way to enforce that attendees stay 6 feet apart.

With people screaming and potentially sneezing or coughing, aerosolized transmission is also more probable than in other settings, said Colleen Kraft, associate chief medical officer of Emory University Hospital and an infectious disease doctor who was part of the panel that guided the NCAA to shut down spring athletics. Aerosols are small particles that stay in the air longer, potentially increasing the chance a healthy person will breath them in.

“That’s what’s concerning,” Dr. Kraft said. “So that is, in a way, amplified in a stadium” because of prolonged contact over many hours with people who have mild or no symptoms.

The difficulties with staging a football game are not limited to the stadium itself. First, there’s the tailgating. Tossing around the pigskin in the parking lot or setting up a spread of communal canapes are perfect settings for viral transmission. Then, there is a potentially dangerous choke point when fans enter the stadium through security checks that, under normal circumstances, already feature long lines and close quarters. Entering a football game this fall may mean standing in a spaced out line and going through a sanitation screening after scanning your ticket, said Bjork.

Limiting contact during the concessions process will be a priority.

Bjork said Texas A& M is also considering requiring fans to bring their own reusable containers if they wish to purchase a beverage.

At this point, with coronavirus cases still rising and many states in the early phases of reopening, it’s uncertain when the next football game with fans will be played.

“One of the things that we’ve learned from watching Dr. Fauci is…we don’t control the timeline.

The virus does,” said Bjork.

—Daniela Hernandez and Adam Falk contributed to this article.

7 games*103,000fans/game*$70/ticket =$49million or so. And I don't think that they have to share that revenue with anybody else, do they?

NOPE! After expenses, it's ALL theirs...