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(05-21-2020 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.

basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).

They really need to start making some decisions.

I don't know why pushing things back is that big a deal other than football and cross-country. For football there are significant revenue impacts. November basketball not so much. For cross-country there is significant impact on athletes but not revenue. Not much impact on any of the other sports.

November basketball games themselves aren’t a huge deal in the scheme of things, but the timing of the NCAA Tournament is important where they don’t want to push that back at all. It’s a very specific window on the sports calendar that gets muddled up with The Masters, the MLB season and the NBA playoffs if it’s delayed even by one week. So, I can see why they are going to want to try to stick to the same normal basketball schedule unless they’re completely forced to do otherwise.
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(05-21-2020 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.

basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).

They really need to start making some decisions.

I don't know why pushing things back is that big a deal other than football and cross-country. For football there are significant revenue impacts. November basketball not so much. For cross-country there is significant impact on athletes but not revenue. Not much impact on any of the other sports.

November basketball games themselves aren’t a huge deal in the scheme of things, but the timing of the NCAA Tournament is important where they don’t want to push that back at all. It’s a very specific window on the sports calendar that gets muddled up with The Masters, the MLB season and the NBA playoffs if it’s delayed even by one week. So, I can see why they are going to want to try to stick to the same normal basketball schedule unless they’re completely forced to do otherwise.

They have reduced minimum number of contests in a number of NCAA sports. They really wouldn't cost much revenue shortening the season. And I don't know how many of those tourneys in places like Hawaii would want to go on under the current circumstances where only the minimum number of people would travel.
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(05-21-2020 08:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.

basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).

They really need to start making some decisions.

I don't know why pushing things back is that big a deal other than football and cross-country. For football there are significant revenue impacts. November basketball not so much. For cross-country there is significant impact on athletes but not revenue. Not much impact on any of the other sports.

November basketball games themselves aren’t a huge deal in the scheme of things, but the timing of the NCAA Tournament is important where they don’t want to push that back at all. It’s a very specific window on the sports calendar that gets muddled up with The Masters, the MLB season and the NBA playoffs if it’s delayed even by one week. So, I can see why they are going to want to try to stick to the same normal basketball schedule unless they’re completely forced to do otherwise.

They have reduced minimum number of contests in a number of NCAA sports. They really wouldn't cost much revenue shortening the season. And I don't know how many of those tourneys in places like Hawaii would want to go on under the current circumstances where only the minimum number of people would travel.

Right, albeit the difference is that basketball makes money. I agree that the tournaments are likely on the chopping block. The conferences are going to want to retain as much TV revenue as possible, though, and only football and men’s basketball really provide any of that. With football ticket revenue this season in question (if not completely gone), the schools are going to wait until the last possible second to shift anything on the basketball front since that’s their only opportunity to recoup any type of revenue this year. They basically need to be in a wacky sort of optimistic denial on the same level as, say, cruise line companies.
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(05-21-2020 05:21 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  I'm keeping an eye on what could happen with the Minnesota State Fair board meeting tomorrow. They often use the University of Minnesota's parking lots as overflow(plus the western border of the fairgrounds buts up against the Eastern border of the St. Paul campus). If the fair decides not to hold an event around Labor Day, the University might move the start of classes up to 2 weeks earlier. At any rate. I would expect at least exams being conducted online. No need to worry about a fall break, Thanksgiving is the only break during the fall semester.
UPDATE: The Minnesota State Fair has been cancelled for this year, and it opens up a window for the U of M to move up the calendar for the fall semester.
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(05-21-2020 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.

basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).

They really need to start making some decisions.

I don't know why pushing things back is that big a deal other than football and cross-country. For football there are significant revenue impacts. November basketball not so much. For cross-country there is significant impact on athletes but not revenue. Not much impact on any of the other sports.

November basketball games themselves aren’t a huge deal in the scheme of things, but the timing of the NCAA Tournament is important where they don’t want to push that back at all. It’s a very specific window on the sports calendar that gets muddled up with The Masters, the MLB season and the NBA playoffs if it’s delayed even by one week. So, I can see why they are going to want to try to stick to the same normal basketball schedule unless they’re completely forced to do otherwise.

Some lower Division 1 teams have coached forced to schedule "buy games" to offset their contract.
ADU wrote about "buy games" during the 2019-20 season.

No games to lose may impact those schools' budgets.
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(05-21-2020 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.

basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).

They really need to start making some decisions.

I don't know why pushing things back is that big a deal other than football and cross-country. For football there are significant revenue impacts. November basketball not so much. For cross-country there is significant impact on athletes but not revenue. Not much impact on any of the other sports.

November basketball games themselves aren’t a huge deal in the scheme of things, but the timing of the NCAA Tournament is important where they don’t want to push that back at all. It’s a very specific window on the sports calendar that gets muddled up with The Masters, the MLB season and the NBA playoffs if it’s delayed even by one week. So, I can see why they are going to want to try to stick to the same normal basketball schedule unless they’re completely forced to do otherwise.

That's right -- CBS and Turner are paying the NCAA almost a billion dollars a year for March Madness, and they won't stand for the NCAA moving its tournament into conflict with CBS's Masters and/or Turner's NBA playoffs.
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(05-22-2020 10:14 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.

basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).

They really need to start making some decisions.

I don't know why pushing things back is that big a deal other than football and cross-country. For football there are significant revenue impacts. November basketball not so much. For cross-country there is significant impact on athletes but not revenue. Not much impact on any of the other sports.

November basketball games themselves aren’t a huge deal in the scheme of things, but the timing of the NCAA Tournament is important where they don’t want to push that back at all. It’s a very specific window on the sports calendar that gets muddled up with The Masters, the MLB season and the NBA playoffs if it’s delayed even by one week. So, I can see why they are going to want to try to stick to the same normal basketball schedule unless they’re completely forced to do otherwise.

That's right -- CBS and Turner are paying the NCAA almost a billion dollars a year for March Madness, and they won't stand for the NCAA moving its tournament into conflict with CBS's Masters and/or Turner's NBA playoffs.
The NBA playoffs odds are really good are moving away from late April going forward. The season probably is going to start always on Christmas Day and then the playoffs would be during the summer....

So it might not be as big of a deal as you think....
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(05-23-2020 04:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 10:14 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.

basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).

They really need to start making some decisions.

I don't know why pushing things back is that big a deal other than football and cross-country. For football there are significant revenue impacts. November basketball not so much. For cross-country there is significant impact on athletes but not revenue. Not much impact on any of the other sports.

November basketball games themselves aren’t a huge deal in the scheme of things, but the timing of the NCAA Tournament is important where they don’t want to push that back at all. It’s a very specific window on the sports calendar that gets muddled up with The Masters, the MLB season and the NBA playoffs if it’s delayed even by one week. So, I can see why they are going to want to try to stick to the same normal basketball schedule unless they’re completely forced to do otherwise.

That's right -- CBS and Turner are paying the NCAA almost a billion dollars a year for March Madness, and they won't stand for the NCAA moving its tournament into conflict with CBS's Masters and/or Turner's NBA playoffs.
The NBA playoffs odds are really good are moving away from late April going forward. The season probably is going to start always on Christmas Day and then the playoffs would be during the summer....

So it might not be as big of a deal as you think....

It would be better making the summer an NBA playoffs extravaganza, and to stagger CFB (January), Super Bowl (February), CBB (March), Stanley Cup Playoffs (April-June) and NBA Playoffs (June-August), instead of allowing the snoozefest MLB an exclusive summer to itself.
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If NBA always started around Christmas & went deeper into summer, I'd be all for it.
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(05-23-2020 07:50 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  If NBA always started around Christmas & went deeper into summer, I'd be all for it.

2020 is obviously a special case, so they'll go late to start and finish the playoffs.

Other than this year, I doubt ESPN/ABC and Turner would want the NBA to finish in July or August. Those are by far the lowest months for TV viewing. The total audience for the Finals and the conference finals would be quite a bit smaller than they usually are in May and June.
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(05-23-2020 09:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 07:50 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  If NBA always started around Christmas & went deeper into summer, I'd be all for it.

2020 is obviously a special case, so they'll go late to start and finish the playoffs.

Other than this year, I doubt ESPN/ABC and Turner would want the NBA to finish in July or August. Those are by far the lowest months for TV viewing. The total audience for the Finals and the conference finals would be quite a bit smaller than they usually are in May and June.

Very true. It's easy for me to complain about MLB basically having summer to itself, but I find I'm usually outside enjoying summer anyways.........When it gets dark tho, I feel like people would turn on a basketball game.
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(05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.

basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).

Football camp will be interesting as well. Current NCAA practice limitations count count back from the first game regardless of when classes start. Schools starting in early August will likely only have a week of two-a-days. Which really only means like 3 two-a-day practices. Better hope your first couple of opponents started school early as well.
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(05-23-2020 09:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 07:50 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  If NBA always started around Christmas & went deeper into summer, I'd be all for it.

2020 is obviously a special case, so they'll go late to start and finish the playoffs.

Other than this year, I doubt ESPN/ABC and Turner would want the NBA to finish in July or August. Those are by far the lowest months for TV viewing. The total audience for the Finals and the conference finals would be quite a bit smaller than they usually are in May and June.

If the season ends in early September, they aren't going to be able to start the season in Mid-late October. Just not possible. So the 2020-21 season will be forced to start late and thus end late....
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(05-23-2020 09:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 07:50 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  If NBA always started around Christmas & went deeper into summer, I'd be all for it.

2020 is obviously a special case, so they'll go late to start and finish the playoffs.

Other than this year, I doubt ESPN/ABC and Turner would want the NBA to finish in July or August. Those are by far the lowest months for TV viewing. The total audience for the Finals and the conference finals would be quite a bit smaller than they usually are in May and June.

Chicken or egg? Maybe TV ratings are low because there's nothing to watch but baseball and golf... 2 exercises in watching grass grow while a few people walk on it.
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Yeah if an NBA finals game was on in August at 9pm, I think there would be a really good audience...
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If the NBA moves its schedule to a January/August set-up, you'd have to imagine that it would be a monumental positive boost to New York, Chicago, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Boston and other very cold winter cities for potential free agents moving forward. Over the past decade, major free agents and player-orchestrated trades have heavily favored Miami, Los Angeles, Houston and Golden State (all very warm-climate cities that take place mostly during winter months). If professional basketball ends up playing more in the Spring/Summer, the "vacation" factor would undoubtedly get eliminated for a few players you would think.

Obviously, many more factors are at play (in addition to that), but I know the weather here in Chicago was turned away its fair share of NBA free agents over the years.
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(05-25-2020 03:35 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the NBA moves its schedule to a January/August set-up, you'd have to imagine that it would be a monumental positive boost to New York, Chicago, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Boston and other very cold winter cities for potential free agents moving forward. Over the past decade, major free agents and player-orchestrated trades have heavily favored Miami, Los Angeles, Houston and Golden State (all very warm-climate cities that take place mostly during winter months). If professional basketball ends up playing more in the Spring/Summer, the "vacation" factor would undoubtedly get eliminated for a few players you would think.

Obviously, many more factors are at play (in addition to that), but I know the weather here in Chicago was turned away its fair share of NBA free agents over the years.

It also helps the teams sharing with a very popular local NHL team (Blackhawks, Red Wings, Maple Leafs, Flyers, Bruins, Capitals) because now you don’t have that team’s competition breathing down your neck from Opening Day to the NBA Finals.

(15-20 years ago, the Avalanche would’ve been in that group)
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(05-25-2020 03:35 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the NBA moves its schedule to a January/August set-up, you'd have to imagine that it would be a monumental positive boost to New York, Chicago, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Boston and other very cold winter cities for potential free agents moving forward. Over the past decade, major free agents and player-orchestrated trades have heavily favored Miami, Los Angeles, Houston and Golden State (all very warm-climate cities that take place mostly during winter months). If professional basketball ends up playing more in the Spring/Summer, the "vacation" factor would undoubtedly get eliminated for a few players you would think.

Obviously, many more factors are at play (in addition to that), but I know the weather here in Chicago was turned away its fair share of NBA free agents over the years.

It also helps the teams sharing with a very popular local NHL team (Blackhawks, Red Wings, Maple Leafs, Flyers, Bruins, Capitals) because now you don’t have that team’s competition breathing down your neck from Opening Day to the NBA Finals.

(15-20 years ago, the Avalanche would’ve been in that group)

NHL will take time to get back to normal starting point in early October... Wouldn't be a shock if they don't go totally back to their normal early October start time.
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(05-25-2020 05:45 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(05-25-2020 03:35 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the NBA moves its schedule to a January/August set-up, you'd have to imagine that it would be a monumental positive boost to New York, Chicago, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Boston and other very cold winter cities for potential free agents moving forward. Over the past decade, major free agents and player-orchestrated trades have heavily favored Miami, Los Angeles, Houston and Golden State (all very warm-climate cities that take place mostly during winter months). If professional basketball ends up playing more in the Spring/Summer, the "vacation" factor would undoubtedly get eliminated for a few players you would think.

Obviously, many more factors are at play (in addition to that), but I know the weather here in Chicago was turned away its fair share of NBA free agents over the years.

It also helps the teams sharing with a very popular local NHL team (Blackhawks, Red Wings, Maple Leafs, Flyers, Bruins, Capitals) because now you don’t have that team’s competition breathing down your neck from Opening Day to the NBA Finals.

(15-20 years ago, the Avalanche would’ve been in that group)

NBA TV audiences are much larger than NHL audiences. If anyone should move their season to avoid competition, it's the NHL.
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(05-25-2020 06:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
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(05-25-2020 03:35 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the NBA moves its schedule to a January/August set-up, you'd have to imagine that it would be a monumental positive boost to New York, Chicago, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Boston and other very cold winter cities for potential free agents moving forward. Over the past decade, major free agents and player-orchestrated trades have heavily favored Miami, Los Angeles, Houston and Golden State (all very warm-climate cities that take place mostly during winter months). If professional basketball ends up playing more in the Spring/Summer, the "vacation" factor would undoubtedly get eliminated for a few players you would think.

Obviously, many more factors are at play (in addition to that), but I know the weather here in Chicago was turned away its fair share of NBA free agents over the years.

It also helps the teams sharing with a very popular local NHL team (Blackhawks, Red Wings, Maple Leafs, Flyers, Bruins, Capitals) because now you don’t have that team’s competition breathing down your neck from Opening Day to the NBA Finals.

(15-20 years ago, the Avalanche would’ve been in that group)

NBA TV audiences are much larger than NHL audiences. If anyone should move their season to avoid competition, it's the NHL.

National. I’m talking local. You’ll see when you check the RSN ratings for the above teams. Most in that grouping draw more than the NBA team.
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