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RE: Pres. Broderick Stepping Down in 2021
(05-22-2020 08:50 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  
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(05-18-2020 03:32 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I would imagine Alonzo Brandon has to be one of the top candidates.

I wouldn't be surprised if Austin Agho gets the nod either, especially if advancing our health sciences is a big priority. He is currently the Provost for the University and the Vice President of Academic Affairs, and has a doctorate in Hospital and Health administration.

If they hire from within I'd be less worried about potential disruptions in this already calamitous time.

That my friends would be a terrible mistake says a voice from inside the compound.

ODU needs some fresh blood and new ideas. This is not the time for continuity with an inside hire, but a bold step forward IMO. I would hope there would be a legit national search.

I wholeheartedly agree and hope the renewed focus is on academic excellence, intentional growth, campus enhancement and annexing EVMS. The focus should not be misguided social engineering. There are community colleges for a reason. It's not Old Dominion's mission to act as an improved community college with access for all. Old Dominion should be a goal and a destination for academic growth and achievement.

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RE: Pres. Broderick Stepping Down in 2021
This is the time to hire a visionary. Someone who will be creative in their attempts to utilize technology, streamline processes, and diversify revenue streams in an era that warrants out of the box thinking. ODU was on the forefront of developing distance learning technologies in the early 2000s, but saw several other schools implement that technology much more effectively. Imagine if ODU had an online revenue stream on par with Phoenix U., Liberty, Central Florida, etc.

The next generation of Universities will not be primarily brick and mortar. Sure, having a physical campus will still be important, but we should strive to have 50% or more of our students doing distance learning.
05-26-2020 09:58 AM
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RE: Pres. Broderick Stepping Down in 2021
(05-26-2020 09:58 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  This is the time to hire a visionary. Someone who will be creative in their attempts to utilize technology, streamline processes, and diversify revenue streams in an era that warrants out of the box thinking. ODU was on the forefront of developing distance learning technologies in the early 2000s, but saw several other schools implement that technology much more effectively. Imagine if ODU had an online revenue stream on par with Phoenix U., Liberty, Central Florida, etc.

The next generation of Universities will not be primarily brick and mortar. Sure, having a physical campus will still be important, but we should strive to have 50% or more of our students doing distance learning.

Id rather not have the academic reputation of Phoenix or Liberty. I agree that brick and mortar is not everything, but online education profiteering also works much better for private or for-profit schools. ODU, as a state school, is not supposed to "make money", but supply a quality education and break even while doing it. Of course, the more you bring in, the more you can spend on nice things, top professors etc. But again, as a state school, you have a lot of strings attached to how you can spend that money. Private schools don't have that roadblock either. Liberty can put every dime of money raised from an online student toward athletics if they want. ODU cant.

Id rather ODU invest heavily in improving their on campus experience and academic rigor any way. At this time, theres really no reason for anyone to pick ODU over any other online offering (or on campus for that matter) other than a little brand quality. And the quality of the ODU brand is tied directly to on-campus learning and experiences. Why choose ODU over JMU, VCU, Regent, Towson, UCF, or any of the zillions of other online programs? It might even be better to cut our online programs and focus on on-campus since we lost our first mover advantage in distance learning anyway and there are tons of other more well known programs in the space now. We don't have a niche like Liberty. ODU was known as a school with good tech/STEM programs near the beach and a top womens basketball team. Now, it seems like its just "diversity". That wont cut it. Especially for online students. But I digress. I wouldnt be opposed to charging our online students fees that could be used to support athletics though. They benefit from the increased visibility of the University as much as anyone. They still get tickets, and throw in a subscription to Monarch Media.
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RE: Pres. Broderick Stepping Down in 2021
If you're not in the business to "make money" then you're in the business to "lose money." Losing money consistently leads to insolvency...even if you're a state school. ODU shouldn't feel compelled to be propped up by tax payer money because the product they offer isn't appealing enough to the marketplace to generate a profit.

Also, you're conflating the economics of Phoenix and Liberty with the academic reputation of the two schools. They're not mutually exclusive--as plenty of other schools have proven. Not to mention, their name recognition (for better or worse) is a market asset far greater than the name recognition of ODU. While you may think it "cheapens" your degree if ODU were to ascend to heights achieved by those two online juggernauts, I can assure you the benefits found on campus would far outweigh the minuscule drop in academic prestige. It's not like ODU's academic reputation is stellar to begin with. If we all graduated from Columbia and the academic reputation dropped to that of Liberty, you might have a point. But the academic reputation of Liberty is likely ahead of ODU in the eyes of the vast majority of employers at this point.
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Here is the thing about those online "diploma mills" that those who despise them seem to not understand. Those options exist, and are popular, for a reason. In the modern business world, a diploma, meaning the piece of paper, is required to get you in the door, or to get a promotion that you have already earned, but cannot take advantage of without checking the box. The employer doesn't care where the diploma came from. GEICO, for example, routinely sends people to Strayer to get a requisite diploma so that they can promote them. The reality is the lack of academic rigor is an advantage to certain segments of the working public. It is really dumb that companies require a diploma, and pay for it, for employees that have already proven ready for a promotion, but as long as that farce continues to exist, crappy online diploma mills will continue to fill a roll that is necessary for many people.
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RE: Pres. Broderick Stepping Down in 2021
(05-26-2020 12:15 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Here is the thing about those online "diploma mills" that those who despise them seem to not understand. Those options exist, and are popular, for a reason. In the modern business world, a diploma, meaning the piece of paper, is required to get you in the door, or to get a promotion that you have already earned, but cannot take advantage of without checking the box. The employer doesn't care where the diploma came from. GEICO, for example, routinely sends people to Strayer to get a requisite diploma so that they can promote them. The reality is the lack of academic rigor is an advantage to certain segments of the working public. It is really dumb that companies require a diploma, and pay for it, for employees that have already proven ready for a promotion, but as long as that farce continues to exist, crappy online diploma mills will continue to fill a roll that is necessary for many people.

I totally understand that. I just don’t want ODU to be one of those. The lack of rigor and seriousness is an advantage for those that just want the piece of paper. We need to be an option for those who want legit education to go with it. But there are a zillion other choices in that space between UNC and Strayer. What sets ODU apart?
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(05-26-2020 12:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  What sets ODU apart?

That is EXACTLY the question the new President should have to answer. If ODU's goal is to NOT answer that question in any meaningful way...ever...then we have much, much bigger problems.
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(05-26-2020 12:15 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Here is the thing about those online "diploma mills" that those who despise them seem to not understand. Those options exist, and are popular, for a reason. In the modern business world, a diploma, meaning the piece of paper, is required to get you in the door, or to get a promotion that you have already earned, but cannot take advantage of without checking the box. The employer doesn't care where the diploma came from. GEICO, for example, routinely sends people to Strayer to get a requisite diploma so that they can promote them. The reality is the lack of academic rigor is an advantage to certain segments of the working public. It is really dumb that companies require a diploma, and pay for it, for employees that have already proven ready for a promotion, but as long as that farce continues to exist, crappy online diploma mills will continue to fill a roll that is necessary for many people.

My good friend works for Verizon and is pretty high up. 20+ year career. Makes great money, has tons of folks reporting to him etc. And did it all with no college degree. But he's hit his ceiling and needs the piece of paper to get the next promotion. But unlike many, he figures if he's going to do it, he may as well learn something and not waste his time. He's started and dropped out of many online schools including Phoenix, American Public, Regent etc. Never did try ODU. He dropped them all because he felt he was in class with a bunch of idiots, the professors were bad or the student support services were awful. He is now taking online classes through JMU and they've been the best so far. What sets it apart for him is threefold. He considers JMU a "name" university, the classes are actually good and challenging, and the customer service/student support has been very good. That should be the bare minimum for any good online program. From what I hear ODU is not good with customer service/student support. And in the online world, academic rigor and service is how you build that "name". But I haven't taken any online courses at ODU, so thats hearsay.
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(05-26-2020 01:40 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(05-26-2020 12:15 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Here is the thing about those online "diploma mills" that those who despise them seem to not understand. Those options exist, and are popular, for a reason. In the modern business world, a diploma, meaning the piece of paper, is required to get you in the door, or to get a promotion that you have already earned, but cannot take advantage of without checking the box. The employer doesn't care where the diploma came from. GEICO, for example, routinely sends people to Strayer to get a requisite diploma so that they can promote them. The reality is the lack of academic rigor is an advantage to certain segments of the working public. It is really dumb that companies require a diploma, and pay for it, for employees that have already proven ready for a promotion, but as long as that farce continues to exist, crappy online diploma mills will continue to fill a roll that is necessary for many people.

My good friend works for Verizon and is pretty high up. 20+ year career. Makes great money, has tons of folks reporting to him etc. And did it all with no college degree. But he's hit his ceiling and needs the piece of paper to get the next promotion. But unlike many, he figures if he's going to do it, he may as well learn something and not waste his time. He's started and dropped out of many online schools including Phoenix, American Public, Regent etc. Never did try ODU. He dropped them all because he felt he was in class with a bunch of idiots, the professors were bad or the student support services were awful. He is now taking online classes through JMU and they've been the best so far. What sets it apart for him is threefold. He considers JMU a "name" university, the classes are actually good and challenging, and the customer service/student support has been very good. That should be the bare minimum for any good online program. From what I hear ODU is not good with customer service/student support. And in the online world, academic rigor and service is how you build that "name". But I haven't taken any online courses at ODU, so thats hearsay.

I don't doubt that there are a lot of people like your friend, but there are also a ton of people who are trying to figure out how to check this box in the way that makes is easiest for them to balance family, work, and getting the degree, and to those people the path of least resistance just makes the most sense. I guess my point is that the corporate structure is the real problem here, the crappy diploma mills are just a symptom. If all the companies stopped requiring degrees that require employees to spend a bunch of time and money rehashing crap that they have already learned in their 20 years of on the job experience, just for an internal promotion, everybody would probably be a lot better off.
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