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RE: Chicago St BOT Meeting Agenda - Action Item: NCAA Sport Sponsorship for FY21
(05-18-2020 05:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 05:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 04:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the NCAA isn’t willing to kick out Chicago St, the WAC should.

That school and it’s athletic department have been a joke for far too long.

The logic that they can’t cut sports because the athletes are among the few who actually graduate is a tail wagging the dog situation.

The WAC is desperate for members. If the WCC decides to expand, Seattle is a likely target. NMSU is looking for a football home. UTRGV would go east in a minute if anyone offered.

So that leaves relatively new members Grand Canyon, California Baptist, Utah Valley and future members Tarleton St. and Dixie St. besides Chicago St.

That's only 9 schools with the 4 longest members all potentially leaving.


WCC isn't looking to expand. Seattle has no where to go.
NMSU has been looking for a football home - there is none to be had. NMSU has nowhere to go
UTRGV is the Chicago State of Texas. No one wants them either - UTRGV has nowhere to go.

Correct. All those schools could have been scooped up years ago. Nothing is changing soon, unless the virus forces more regional conferences.
05-18-2020 05:31 PM
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RE: Chicago St BOT Meeting Agenda - Action Item: NCAA Sport Sponsorship for FY21
How on Earth did the trolls get in so easily? Is CSU using public Zoom chat rooms?
05-18-2020 05:59 PM
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RE: Chicago St BOT Meeting Agenda - Action Item: NCAA Sport Sponsorship for FY21
(05-18-2020 12:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 12:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Illinois is in a ton of trouble. The state is estimating a 20% decrease in tax receipts ($7 billion). The state employees' pension fund is only 40.3% funded ($137 billion short). And their credit rating is one step above "junk bond" status.

Illinois' universities are in bad shape even without state cuts. This is from a few days ago:

https://www.wbez.org/stories/how-is-the-...452a35684f

Budget deficit projections according to the article:
Northwestern - 90 million projected shortfall
U. of Chicago - 220 million projected shortfall
Loyola - 50 million projected shortfall
Depaul - $80 million drop in revenue
University of Illinois system - $158 million in lost revenue by the end of June
City Colleges of Chicago - $17 million deficit before the pandemic
And people wonder why our stadium renovations were kicked down the line, the state as a whole is floundering

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The flip side of that is if you're able to tap a source of capital while things are bottoming out you'll be able to build for a fraction of the normal cost. There is wisdom in investing like Hershey did during the Depression in people and property.
05-18-2020 06:35 PM
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RE: Chicago St BOT Meeting Agenda - Action Item: NCAA Sport Sponsorship for FY21
(05-18-2020 06:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 12:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 12:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Illinois is in a ton of trouble. The state is estimating a 20% decrease in tax receipts ($7 billion). The state employees' pension fund is only 40.3% funded ($137 billion short). And their credit rating is one step above "junk bond" status.

Illinois' universities are in bad shape even without state cuts. This is from a few days ago:

https://www.wbez.org/stories/how-is-the-...452a35684f

Budget deficit projections according to the article:
Northwestern - 90 million projected shortfall
U. of Chicago - 220 million projected shortfall
Loyola - 50 million projected shortfall
Depaul - $80 million drop in revenue
University of Illinois system - $158 million in lost revenue by the end of June
City Colleges of Chicago - $17 million deficit before the pandemic
And people wonder why our stadium renovations were kicked down the line, the state as a whole is floundering

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The flip side of that is if you're able to tap a source of capital while things are bottoming out you'll be able to build for a fraction of the normal cost. There is wisdom in investing like Hershey did during the Depression in people and property.
The state of Illinois hasn't had a true budget since 2015, and the problems state-wide started well before that

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RE: Chicago St BOT Meeting Agenda - Action Item: NCAA Sport Sponsorship for FY21
(05-18-2020 03:56 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 03:47 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 03:44 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 03:37 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 03:35 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  If those are "team" sports, then the "team sports" requirement is meaningless. (Which is par for the NCAA course....)

I mean they are scored as a team, but yeah... NCAA "logic"

Golf, tennis, cross country, and track are Individual sports because they award championships to an individual and the team. johnbragg is correct that Chicago State will not meet NCAA requirements by dropping baseball.
NCAA doesn't have the balls to shut Chicago St down, plain and simple

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It just happened two years ago with Cheyney.


They booted Morris Brown out as well. Now, waiting to see if Paine and Benedict in D2 get booted as well for losing their accreditation from SACS.
05-19-2020 04:13 AM
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RE: Chicago St BOT Meeting Agenda - Action Item: NCAA Sport Sponsorship for FY21
(05-18-2020 05:31 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 05:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 05:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 04:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the NCAA isn’t willing to kick out Chicago St, the WAC should.

That school and it’s athletic department have been a joke for far too long.

The logic that they can’t cut sports because the athletes are among the few who actually graduate is a tail wagging the dog situation.

The WAC is desperate for members. If the WCC decides to expand, Seattle is a likely target. NMSU is looking for a football home. UTRGV would go east in a minute if anyone offered.

So that leaves relatively new members Grand Canyon, California Baptist, Utah Valley and future members Tarleton St. and Dixie St. besides Chicago St.

That's only 9 schools with the 4 longest members all potentially leaving.


WCC isn't looking to expand. Seattle has no where to go.
NMSU has been looking for a football home - there is none to be had. NMSU has nowhere to go
UTRGV is the Chicago State of Texas. No one wants them either - UTRGV has nowhere to go.

Correct. All those schools could have been scooped up years ago. Nothing is changing soon, unless the virus forces more regional conferences.

Agreed. The short-term risk of anyone leaving the WAC is minimal. The WCC, Big West, Big Sky and Southland all have 10 or more members and are done expanding. The Summit is now stable with UMKC coming in and St. Thomas, Augustana or both on deck. And the WAC has 8 members in the far west and Texas not named Chicago State.

IMHO the time has come for the WAC to cut ties with CSU. This will remove an impediment to future WAC expansion with additional D2 move ups in its footprint, none of which want to travel to Chicago.
05-19-2020 07:12 AM
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