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RE: The Future of the New Mexico State Aggies and the Western Athletic Conference
There has been plenty of time since UConn’s announcement for Boise to join...and they haven’t. Why is that if it’s such a great deal for them?
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(05-20-2020 08:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  There has been plenty of time since UConn’s announcement for Boise to join...and they haven’t. Why is that if it’s such a great deal for them?

Its a nice thought but geographically a bad idea for a couple reasons:

1) Our closest opponent would be...Tulsa? Not that it matters for football but there's fan interest there.

2) Bridges will be burned FOREVER with the Mt West. No chance of recovery. What happens if/when the AAC disbands or becomes a shell of what it is today and Boise St doesn't get a golden ticket out? We will not pass GO and will not collect $200.

3) The options for our non-football sports are not comparable to the Mt West. WAC? No, thank you. WCC? Impossible but just not a good fit any way you slice it. Big West or Big Sky? Possible but still not the Mt West and both are bloated.

The AAC would be nice to join for football but I just don't see it as a reasonable option given the above. The only way I truly see this as a remote option is if the AAC expands to 14 or 16 full members from its current 11 with some combination of Air Force, Colorado St, Boise St, San Diego St, Nevada, and UNLV. BYU would be nice but I don't see them jumping on board.
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(05-20-2020 01:44 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  [quote='LUSportsFan' pid='16822926' dateline='1589814960']

Actually, Weber State did not have better attendance than Stephen F. Austin which averaged 9,884 in 2019 in spite of a 3-8 record.

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If we are not going to include any of the above Southland schools because of last year's attendance and stadium size, why is Idaho on the list other than as a former FBS member?

Quote:Thank you for the correction on SFA's average home attendance. The figure according to the NCAA was actually 8,324. But that was still above Weber State.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2019.pdf

Reply: That's the official number. I used the per game attendance per the Wikipedia page. That page had the incorrect attendance for the first home game. The stadium capacity instead of the attendance was input. (Looking at the ESPN game summary page, I can see that it would be easy to pick the incorrect number.) It has been corrected. 04-bow The Wikipedia page now agrees with the official attendance. Thanks!!!

Quote:I put Idaho on the list solely because it was previously an FBS program in the WAC and if the WAC wanted to revive football it wouldn't make sense to exclude the Vandals, especially if one assumes the conference would also be adding Montana and Montana State.

Reply: That is what I suspected. Makes sense to me.
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RE: The Future of the New Mexico State Aggies and the Western Athletic Conference
What motivation does Boise have to move to the AAC unless/until the top G5 conference champ gets an auto bid to an 8 or 10 team playoff? If they joined the AAC would be stronger but Boise already has an inside lane to getting the NY6 G5 slot each year in the MWC, without the considerable increase in expense (and now health risk) for FB travel and decrease in quality in Olympic sports. Both leagues have chump change TV deals compared to the P5 so ditching one for the other has no financial benefit.
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I don’t know why an AAC return trip ever got legs. Did we all forget how obnoxious Boise handled it the first time? The lawsuits and trying to skip on the bill? You don’t go back to that.

AAC doesn’t need that. MWC is stuck with them.

I think the AAC has a bigger target in mind. I just wonder if COVID makes it easier or more difficult to sink it.
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(05-20-2020 10:55 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don’t know why an AAC return trip ever got legs. Did we all forget how obnoxious Boise handled it the first time? The lawsuits and trying to skip on the bill? You don’t go back to that.

AAC doesn’t need that. MWC is stuck with them.

I think the AAC has a bigger target in mind. I just wonder if COVID makes it easier or more difficult to sink it.

BYU isn’t happening. Neither is Army or Air Force. San Diego State and some western block doesn’t make sense to anyone out west.

Boise aside, my favorite is the bit about the AAC locking up the G5 bid with Colorado State, SDSU, and UNLV or Air Force. Um, those aren’t even the best teams in that conference! Hawaii, Fresno, Utah State, and Nevada are all capable of snagging a G5 bid if they run the table. Ultimately, it’s going to be a toss-up every year that could be dependent on who beats a P5 team or two.

The AAC may set their target high—like the Big XII did with ND and Arkansas—but that doesn’t mean it’s realistic.
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(05-20-2020 10:40 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  What motivation does Boise have to move to the AAC unless/until the top G5 conference champ gets an auto bid to an 8 or 10 team playoff? If they joined the AAC would be stronger but Boise already has an inside lane to getting the NY6 G5 slot each year in the MWC, without the considerable increase in expense (and now health risk) for FB travel and decrease in quality in Olympic sports. Both leagues have chump change TV deals compared to the P5 so ditching one for the other has no financial benefit.

Agreed. The MWC seems like the best spot because of rivalries and access to the NY6 slot. Unless the Big 12 or PAC 12 come calling I don’t see incentive to move
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(05-20-2020 08:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  There has been plenty of time since UConn’s announcement for Boise to join...and they haven’t. Why is that if it’s such a great deal for them?

1. Well AAC just found out (Dec 12, 2019) that ESPN does not want to pay 1 Billion over 12 years unless Uconn is with them... Obviouslly we understand Uconn is not...
https://morningconsult.com/2019/12/12/es...-big-east/

2. Boise State sues MWC over TV deal (Jan 22, 2020).. The complaint filed by Boise State in Idaho district court on Jan. 17, the same day that officials said they were "weighing our options," is a major escalation in the fight over the conference's newest TV deal with Fox and CBS. https://www.ktvb.com/article/sports/ncaa...9bf44c7be4

3. Coronivirus & Covid has slowed everything down..... But there seems to be a moment in time were the MWC will let out BOISE State.... the AAC needs something to replace Uconn with and Boise State as a FB member might be what ESPN is looking for. Only time will tell.

4. If this happens, NMSU looks to be best position to enter the MWC..... Boise State than could enter the WAC in all other sports replacing NMSU.... Boise State gets a bump in Money to AAC part time level(probably more than MWC $$)... MWC can do ther own thing without Boise State taking more money....AAC might just be able to keep the 1Billion over 12 years...

seems like everyone would be happy...
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RE: The Future of the New Mexico State Aggies and the Western Athletic Conference
(05-20-2020 10:55 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don’t know why an AAC return trip ever got legs. Did we all forget how obnoxious Boise handled it the first time? The lawsuits and trying to skip on the bill? You don’t go back to that.

Are you suggesting the company that was given a verbal commitment by an executive to move over but instead leveraged that for a pay bump at the company they were working for at the time ...

... shouldn't be on the short list of people they hand to a head hunter next time they are looking to fill a sport?
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(05-21-2020 11:31 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 08:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  There has been plenty of time since UConn’s announcement for Boise to join...and they haven’t. Why is that if it’s such a great deal for them?

1. Well AAC just found out (Dec 12, 2019) that ESPN does not want to pay 1 Billion over 12 years unless Uconn is with them... Obviouslly we understand Uconn is not...
https://morningconsult.com/2019/12/12/es...-big-east/

2. Boise State sues MWC over TV deal (Jan 22, 2020).. The complaint filed by Boise State in Idaho district court on Jan. 17, the same day that officials said they were "weighing our options," is a major escalation in the fight over the conference's newest TV deal with Fox and CBS. https://www.ktvb.com/article/sports/ncaa...9bf44c7be4

3. Coronivirus & Covid has slowed everything down..... But there seems to be a moment in time were the MWC will let out BOISE State.... the AAC needs something to replace Uconn with and Boise State as a FB member might be what ESPN is looking for. Only time will tell.

4. If this happens, NMSU looks to be best position to enter the MWC..... Boise State than could enter the WAC in all other sports replacing NMSU.... Boise State gets a bump in Money to AAC part time level(probably more than MWC $$)... MWC can do ther own thing without Boise State taking more money....AAC might just be able to keep the 1Billion over 12 years...

seems like everyone would be happy...

As the Boise fans have illustrated, they want nothing to do with the WAC, so would their fanbase be happy? If Boise is willing to totally burn that bridge with the MWC, and accept Olympic sports in a definite small-time conference, then sure, it could happen.

I wouldn't bet the snake farm on NMSU getting in the MWC over Rice or UTEP if Boise were to leave. Rice may be in another time zone, but they are a private school with deep pockets and can afford the travel. That move would give the MWC the ability to really tap into Texas talent, like TCU did in the past. Plus, they'd be adding an elite baseball program.
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(05-17-2020 12:40 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  http://forgotten5.com/2020/05/11/the-fut...ce-part-1/

NMSU could join the Big West for Olympic sports, but that really doesn't help for football.
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(05-21-2020 09:13 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(05-17-2020 12:40 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  http://forgotten5.com/2020/05/11/the-fut...ce-part-1/

NMSU could join the Big West for Olympic sports, but that really doesn't help for football.

I'm really not sure that's true. The Big West is not the PCAA.

Are the Cal State Riverdale Archies and the UC San Junipero Black Mirrors really that interested in flying to Las Cruces every year, for the thrill of seeing New Mexico State take the Big West tournament bid 3 years out of 4?
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(05-21-2020 09:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:13 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(05-17-2020 12:40 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  http://forgotten5.com/2020/05/11/the-fut...ce-part-1/

NMSU could join the Big West for Olympic sports, but that really doesn't help for football.

I'm really not sure that's true. The Big West is not the PCAA.

Are the Cal State Riverdale Archies and the UC San Junipero Black Mirrors really that interested in flying to Las Cruces every year, for the thrill of seeing New Mexico State take the Big West tournament bid 3 years out of 4?

Bearing in mind that the deal to have SDSU and Boise State play Olympic sports in the Big West included Boise State paying a travel subsidy, where the ability to pay that was based on the presumed media money the "Big East of Reno" was supposedly going to be getting. The old Big East media money coming up substantially short of what was hoped and not providing the same windfall after the travel subsidy cost was deducted was part of the calculation of Boise State abandoning the whole "Big East of Reno" plan, which forced SDSU out as well.
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(05-21-2020 09:50 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:13 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(05-17-2020 12:40 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  http://forgotten5.com/2020/05/11/the-fut...ce-part-1/

NMSU could join the Big West for Olympic sports, but that really doesn't help for football.

I'm really not sure that's true. The Big West is not the PCAA.

Are the Cal State Riverdale Archies and the UC San Junipero Black Mirrors really that interested in flying to Las Cruces every year, for the thrill of seeing New Mexico State take the Big West tournament bid 3 years out of 4?

Bearing in mind that the deal to have SDSU and Boise State play Olympic sports in the Big West included Boise State paying a travel subsidy, where the ability to pay that was based on the presumed media money the "Big East of Reno" was supposedly going to be getting. The old Big East media money coming up substantially short of what was hoped and not providing the same windfall after the travel subsidy cost was deducted was part of the calculation of Boise State abandoning the whole "Big East of Reno" plan, which forced SDSU out as well.

I think if the Big West wanted NMSU it would have already issued an invitation and NMSU would have already accepted it. It's not in the cards, especially with the Big West already expanding from 9 to 11 members this year.
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(05-21-2020 10:44 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:50 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:13 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(05-17-2020 12:40 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  http://forgotten5.com/2020/05/11/the-fut...ce-part-1/

NMSU could join the Big West for Olympic sports, but that really doesn't help for football.

I'm really not sure that's true. The Big West is not the PCAA.

Are the Cal State Riverdale Archies and the UC San Junipero Black Mirrors really that interested in flying to Las Cruces every year, for the thrill of seeing New Mexico State take the Big West tournament bid 3 years out of 4?

Bearing in mind that the deal to have SDSU and Boise State play Olympic sports in the Big West included Boise State paying a travel subsidy, where the ability to pay that was based on the presumed media money the "Big East of Reno" was supposedly going to be getting. The old Big East media money coming up substantially short of what was hoped and not providing the same windfall after the travel subsidy cost was deducted was part of the calculation of Boise State abandoning the whole "Big East of Reno" plan, which forced SDSU out as well.

I think if the Big West wanted NMSU it would have already issued an invitation and NMSU would have already accepted it. It's not in the cards, especially with the Big West already expanding from 9 to 11 members this year.

Agreed on this. The Big West may choose to expand beyond 11 but it wouldn't be for New Mexico St. It would be for San Diego St, Fresno St, Nevada, or UNLV. Longshot: San Jose St.
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(05-21-2020 11:43 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 10:44 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:50 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 09:13 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  NMSU could join the Big West for Olympic sports, but that really doesn't help for football.

I'm really not sure that's true. The Big West is not the PCAA.

Are the Cal State Riverdale Archies and the UC San Junipero Black Mirrors really that interested in flying to Las Cruces every year, for the thrill of seeing New Mexico State take the Big West tournament bid 3 years out of 4?

Bearing in mind that the deal to have SDSU and Boise State play Olympic sports in the Big West included Boise State paying a travel subsidy, where the ability to pay that was based on the presumed media money the "Big East of Reno" was supposedly going to be getting. The old Big East media money coming up substantially short of what was hoped and not providing the same windfall after the travel subsidy cost was deducted was part of the calculation of Boise State abandoning the whole "Big East of Reno" plan, which forced SDSU out as well.

I think if the Big West wanted NMSU it would have already issued an invitation and NMSU would have already accepted it. It's not in the cards, especially with the Big West already expanding from 9 to 11 members this year.

Agreed on this. The Big West may choose to expand beyond 11 but it wouldn't be for New Mexico St. It would be for San Diego St, Fresno St, Nevada, or UNLV. Longshot: San Jose St.

Or Boise, if that lawsuit vs the MWC is still ongoing. New commissioner, new Boise president. Try it again?

Cal State Bakersfield joining shuts the other CSU's. Fresno, SDSU and SJSU are out. Equal balance and all.

But if there's no football in 2020? All bets are off. Especially for NMSU.
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New Mexico State and BYU should join the Mountain West.
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(05-22-2020 03:01 AM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  New Mexico State and BYU should join the Mountain West.

That's a shoulda and coulda for BYU but not woulda ...

... so long as Utah is in a P5 conference, BYU does not join a Go5 conference unless it has no other alternative.
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It’s too bad that the Big West isn’t interested in NMSU—the Aggies spent many years in that league.
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(05-21-2020 12:39 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-21-2020 11:31 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(05-20-2020 08:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  There has been plenty of time since UConn’s announcement for Boise to join...and they haven’t. Why is that if it’s such a great deal for them?

1. Well AAC just found out (Dec 12, 2019) that ESPN does not want to pay 1 Billion over 12 years unless Uconn is with them... Obviouslly we understand Uconn is not...
https://morningconsult.com/2019/12/12/es...-big-east/

2. Boise State sues MWC over TV deal (Jan 22, 2020).. The complaint filed by Boise State in Idaho district court on Jan. 17, the same day that officials said they were "weighing our options," is a major escalation in the fight over the conference's newest TV deal with Fox and CBS. https://www.ktvb.com/article/sports/ncaa...9bf44c7be4

3. Coronivirus & Covid has slowed everything down..... But there seems to be a moment in time were the MWC will let out BOISE State.... the AAC needs something to replace Uconn with and Boise State as a FB member might be what ESPN is looking for. Only time will tell.

4. If this happens, NMSU looks to be best position to enter the MWC..... Boise State than could enter the WAC in all other sports replacing NMSU.... Boise State gets a bump in Money to AAC part time level(probably more than MWC $$)... MWC can do ther own thing without Boise State taking more money....AAC might just be able to keep the 1Billion over 12 years...

seems like everyone would be happy...

As the Boise fans have illustrated, they want nothing to do with the WAC, so would their fanbase be happy? If Boise is willing to totally burn that bridge with the MWC, and accept Olympic sports in a definite small-time conference, then sure, it could happen.

I wouldn't bet the snake farm on NMSU getting in the MWC over Rice or UTEP if Boise were to leave. Rice may be in another time zone, but they are a private school with deep pockets and can afford the travel. That move would give the MWC the ability to really tap into Texas talent, like TCU did in the past. Plus, they'd be adding an elite baseball program.

I guess Boise State to the Big West (all Cali schools) would work besides the WAC and Boise State could go FB only in the AAC... If they ever got invited to the PAC12 or BIG12 they would go in all sports...

Two things are for sure:

1. The new MWC Deal ends 2025-2026 and the next deal will not give Boise State extra cash...

2. 2023 Pac12 & 2024 BIG12 signs a new TV deals, Boise State only P-5 Jump might be during that time frame or jumping to the AAC before the 2025-26 new MWC TV deal...We will see...
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