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SEC vote on May 22
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"SEC presidents and chancellors are scheduled to vote May 22 on whether to allow their schools to open athletic facilities to athletes for voluntary workouts in June.

Multiple SEC athletic administrators publicly discussed the upcoming vote on Thursday. Missouri athletic director Jim Sterk acknowledged it during a video conference with local media, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. LSU executive deputy athletic director Verge Ausberry also discussed it in a video conference with the Louisiana Economic Task Force on Thursday, according to the Baton Rouge Advocate...."

A yes vote would seem to be a yes vote for fall football.
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RE: SEC vote on May 22
Well we all know how that vote is going to go.
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RE: SEC vote on May 22
The SEC has a moratorium regarding facilities and OTAs which ends on May 31. They have to vote on something: To extend it or not.

The latest Andy Staples Podcast talks about this specific SEC vote and still, states would need to allow such meetings, plus traveling back to campus for some student-athletes is still an issue.

Hell, medical professionals do not think that collegiate professors/staff over the age of 65 should instruct on campus this year, yet the same schools will allow athletic coaches to do it? The Associate Dean at Tennessee who is on the task force to study how to safely reopen the University of Tennessee's campus in the fall thinks those coaches are at high risk.
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RE: SEC vote on May 22
I expect it to pass

I don’t think you’ll see anything drastic or anything resembling full team workouts. This is mostly just so coaches can get back in the offices and injured players can do rehab with team facilities. In a few weeks I think you’ll start to see regular players return.
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(05-17-2020 07:03 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I expect it to pass

I don’t think you’ll see anything drastic or anything resembling full team workouts. This is mostly just so coaches can get back in the offices and injured players can do rehab with team facilities. In a few weeks I think you’ll start to see regular players return.

Yes, this is like the NFL voting the other day to "re-open" facilities. In reality, it means that the padlocks have come off and a few maintenance staff are allowed back to work. it's a far, far cry from actual full up-and-running training and practice for football games, the stuff that needs to be done to play.
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RE: SEC vote on May 22
(05-16-2020 08:25 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  The SEC has a moratorium regarding facilities and OTAs which ends on May 31. They have to vote on something: To extend it or not.

The latest Andy Staples Podcast talks about this specific SEC vote and still, states would need to allow such meetings, plus traveling back to campus for some student-athletes is still an issue.

Hell, medical professionals do not think that collegiate professors/staff over the age of 65 should instruct on campus this year, yet the same schools will allow athletic coaches to do it? The Associate Dean at Tennessee who is on the task force to study how to safely reopen the University of Tennessee's campus in the fall thinks those coaches are at high risk.

That's a good point. I wonder how many coaches there are over 65. Nick Saban turns 65 in October.
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(05-17-2020 11:08 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(05-16-2020 08:25 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  The SEC has a moratorium regarding facilities and OTAs which ends on May 31. They have to vote on something: To extend it or not.

The latest Andy Staples Podcast talks about this specific SEC vote and still, states would need to allow such meetings, plus traveling back to campus for some student-athletes is still an issue.

Hell, medical professionals do not think that collegiate professors/staff over the age of 65 should instruct on campus this year, yet the same schools will allow athletic coaches to do it? The Associate Dean at Tennessee who is on the task force to study how to safely reopen the University of Tennessee's campus in the fall thinks those coaches are at high risk.

That's a good point. I wonder how many coaches there are over 65. Nick Saban turns 65 in October.

There is a difference in outdoor interaction and classroom interaction.
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(05-17-2020 11:35 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2020 11:08 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(05-16-2020 08:25 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  The SEC has a moratorium regarding facilities and OTAs which ends on May 31. They have to vote on something: To extend it or not.

The latest Andy Staples Podcast talks about this specific SEC vote and still, states would need to allow such meetings, plus traveling back to campus for some student-athletes is still an issue.

Hell, medical professionals do not think that collegiate professors/staff over the age of 65 should instruct on campus this year, yet the same schools will allow athletic coaches to do it? The Associate Dean at Tennessee who is on the task force to study how to safely reopen the University of Tennessee's campus in the fall thinks those coaches are at high risk.

That's a good point. I wonder how many coaches there are over 65. Nick Saban turns 65 in October.

There is a difference in outdoor interaction and classroom interaction.

A lot of football prep work is sitting in classrooms going over films of upcoming opponents or past games/practices. I don't see how that is any different from a regular classroom (in terms of the virus), with the possible exception being that perhaps those classes could be conducted by younger coaches/GA's?
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RE: SEC vote on May 22
(05-17-2020 02:02 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(05-17-2020 11:35 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2020 11:08 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(05-16-2020 08:25 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  The SEC has a moratorium regarding facilities and OTAs which ends on May 31. They have to vote on something: To extend it or not.

The latest Andy Staples Podcast talks about this specific SEC vote and still, states would need to allow such meetings, plus traveling back to campus for some student-athletes is still an issue.

Hell, medical professionals do not think that collegiate professors/staff over the age of 65 should instruct on campus this year, yet the same schools will allow athletic coaches to do it? The Associate Dean at Tennessee who is on the task force to study how to safely reopen the University of Tennessee's campus in the fall thinks those coaches are at high risk.

That's a good point. I wonder how many coaches there are over 65. Nick Saban turns 65 in October.

There is a difference in outdoor interaction and classroom interaction.

A lot of football prep work is sitting in classrooms going over films of upcoming opponents or past games/practices. I don't see how that is any different from a regular classroom (in terms of the virus), with the possible exception being that perhaps those classes could be conducted by younger coaches/GA's?

You put the films on disc, conduct the sessions with position groupings using skype if you have to, but most likely spreading out in a large auditorium with an overhead. The coach doesn't have to be within 20 ft of the nearest player. Everyone can make notes on their electronic device and carry a copy of the game film home on the disc.

Mountains are being made out of mole hills.

Most skull sessions are by position groups anyway. So we are talking 15 or so players total for O Line, D Line, LB and DB, RB & WR positions.
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All these schools are playing Russian Roulette with this pandemic. All it takes is one of the coaches or student-athletes catching this virus, get ill to be put in the hospital on a ventilator and die from the virus. Imagine all the lawsuits these universities will get from the family of the players? It is not worth the risk for the greed of money with these schools to get money for football games.
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How long are we supposed to cower in fear of a virus with a 99.5% survival rate?
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(05-17-2020 07:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  How long are we supposed to cower in fear of a virus with a 99.5% survival rate?


You can survive the flu, but you can't survive this covid-19. If you do? It causes long term damage to your organs.
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(05-17-2020 08:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-17-2020 07:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  How long are we supposed to cower in fear of a virus with a 99.5% survival rate?


You can survive the flu, but you can't survive this covid-19. If you do? It causes long term damage to your organs.


You can’t possibly be serious and clearly don’t work in medicine
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(05-17-2020 08:15 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(05-17-2020 08:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-17-2020 07:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  How long are we supposed to cower in fear of a virus with a 99.5% survival rate?


You can survive the flu, but you can't survive this covid-19. If you do? It causes long term damage to your organs.


You can’t possibly be serious and clearly don’t work in medicine


DavidSt might not work in medicine but let me ask you this: Would you want your 89-year-old father who gave you a passion for college sports to get the virus? Of course you would not.

My father is that age as of tomorrow and he and I love college sports and enjoy talking about that every night via phone.

So the survival rate ... yes, that's encouraging and we need to get folks back to work. I'm with you.

But you don't mess around with a potentially deadly virus for which there is no vaccine or strong treatment.

This is not about "cowering in fear." If the North Korean military somehow penetrated U.S. soil tomorrow ... we all rise up, get our weapons, and take them down. And hard.

With a novel virus ... that's a very different different enemy.
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(05-17-2020 07:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  How long are we supposed to cower in fear of a virus with a 99.5% survival rate?

Certainly longer than we should cower in fear of being seen wearing a mask, where the wearing the mask itself has a 100% survival rate and not wearing the mask risks killing random strangers.

The 99.5% survival rate depends on not allowing the epidemic to run through the population unchecked, at which point we have millions dead rather than hundreds of thousands.

And while the claim that everyone infected will suffer serious long term damage is unfounded ... that's because we don't know, because it's a novel virus. It could be 5%, it could be 25%, it could be 75%. We don't know. Yet some Lemmings are happy to risk the lifetime health of my eight grandchildren because we do not and CAN not yet know what that risk might be.
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An 89 year old is just as vulnerable to good old fashioned Flu which, even with a vaccine, averages 45-65k deaths a year. Last year was a particularly bad flu season with 80k deaths.

I’m all for the old and immune compromised continue to shelter in place.

But if you are under 60 and have no preexisting pulmonary or cardiac issue this virus is extremely low risk to you. These folks need to get back out there and build herd immunity and get the economy going again.

That includes a universal immunity against law suits from COVID. If you choose to go to a restaurant, movie or CFB game you are agreeing that you assumed the risk and the entertainment provider is not responsible, similar to how a Rangers ticket says they’re not responsible for drunk fans falling off the top deck
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(05-17-2020 10:34 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  An 89 year old is just as vulnerable to good old fashioned Flu which, even with a vaccine, averages 45-65k deaths a year. Last year was a particularly bad flu season with 80k deaths.

I’m all for the old and immune compromised continue to shelter in place.

But if you are under 60 and have no preexisting pulmonary or cardiac issue this virus is extremely low risk to you. These folks need to get back out there and build herd immunity and get the economy going again.

That includes a universal immunity against law suits from COVID. If you choose to go to a restaurant, movie or CFB game you are agreeing that you assumed the risk and the entertainment provider is not responsible, similar to how a Rangers ticket says they’re not responsible for drunk fans falling off the top deck

Valid point, except the people that won't go to restaurants, movies , sporting events, etc, no matter if it is open.
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(05-17-2020 10:34 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  An 89 year old is just as vulnerable to good old fashioned Flu which, even with a vaccine, averages 45-65k deaths a year. Last year was a particularly bad flu season with 80k deaths.

I’m all for the old and immune compromised continue to shelter in place.

But if you are under 60 and have no preexisting pulmonary or cardiac issue this virus is extremely low risk to you. These folks need to get back out there and build herd immunity and get the economy going again.

That includes a universal immunity against law suits from COVID. If you choose to go to a restaurant, movie or CFB game you are agreeing that you assumed the risk and the entertainment provider is not responsible, similar to how a Rangers ticket says they’re not responsible for drunk fans falling off the top deck



I agree with a good bit of what you say. The flu comparison is a good one. We do need to get the economy cranking because the longer it goes dead, the more people will suffer not just economically but mentally and physically (suicide, weakening immune systems and disease spread due to depression and homelessness). I get it.

I simply feel that Americans are about to be in for a rude awakening when round 2 hits. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly post on this board that I was a clueless fool for thinking there would be a rough second round. I will admit I bought into some of the "fear mongering" that many folks had been pushing — in some cases for a misguided political agenda.

But if I'm proved correct 1. I will not smugly say "I told you so" (bad karma) and 2. I will hope that one of the folks who gleefully dove back into normalcy did not give the virus to my elderly parents or their elderly friends, resulting in death.
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(05-17-2020 10:34 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(05-17-2020 07:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  How long are we supposed to cower in fear of a virus with a 99.5% survival rate?

Certainly longer than we should cower in fear of being seen wearing a mask, where the wearing the mask itself has a 100% survival rate and not wearing the mask risks killing random strangers.

The 99.5% survival rate depends on not allowing the epidemic to run through the population unchecked, at which point we have millions dead rather than hundreds of thousands.

And while the claim that everyone infected will suffer serious long term damage is unfounded ... that's because we don't know, because it's a novel virus. It could be 5%, it could be 25%, it could be 75%. We don't know. Yet some Lemmings are happy to risk the lifetime health of my eight grandchildren because we do not and CAN not yet know what that risk might be.


There have been recorded cases that people with no health issues died from this virus. A healthy college QB could catch it, and in two weeks, he is in the hospital for weeks on a ventilator. The chances for this young QB will be that he would be dead. If he pulls through it? His heart, liver, lungs and kidneys would be damaged for life. Children under 12 are having an issue now. Some died while some are fighting for their lives because the virus is causing a rare dieseage that sounds like a Japanese word called Kawasee or something like that. It means anybody healthy or not can die from the virus. A doctor pointed out that it could be a gene when a whole family caught it and half of them are in the hospital. One family had like 4 died while 7 others are on the ventilators.
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(05-17-2020 10:34 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  The 99.5% survival rate depends on not allowing the epidemic to run through the population unchecked, at which point we have millions dead rather than hundreds of thousands.

The survival rate of 99.5% could be the same whether the virus runs unchecked or not. Sure, there could be some uptick if "unchecked' means hospitals are overrun and people are lying in gurneys on the curbside because of a shortage of beds and ventilators, but maybe not all that much especially as we have now ramped up production of a lot of those materials.

It's more likely that the difference between 2 million dead and 200,000 dead is more a function of "unchecked" meaning a whole lot more people getting infected such that deaths are 200 million x .005 rather than 20 million x .005.

All that said, the cold hard facts are that the USA, as a country, independent of our personal grief over loss of loved ones, can survive 2,500 covid deaths *a day*, or close to a million annually, pretty much indefinitely. We'd still have more births than deaths in the country. But we probably can't stand the economic depression associated with "lockdown" strategies for more than several months.

Given what we know about who is vulnerable, this suggests a more targeted approach - extreme lockdowns and sanitizing at nursing homes and retirement communities and hospitals to protect the elderly, and stay-at-home for people with medical conditions like cancer and diabetes and asthma, but out and about for others. However, given how the media coverage has scared even people with very low risk, this might not work because you can open things up but you can't make a scared 24 year old come out and patronize businesses, even if the odds say they have nearly nothing to worry about.
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