(05-18-2020 03:26 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: To me, a Karen is any other citizen who believes it is their job to tell me what I HAVE to do, according to what they believe and what the MSM has told them.
HAVE as in law? I agree 100%. HAVE as in 'an opinion that it would be polite/respectful to', I disagree.
As long as you admit that there are plenty on 'the other side' with bad information, no problem. I don't get any of my information on this issue from the Media.
Quote: If they are that terrified, stay home. Your words - 'being an ignorant or selfish prick" - because we believe we have the right to decide for ourselves about mitigation efforts tells me that you too are a Karen (lite) wannabe because you don't call the POlice on others.
People need to stop with this 'terrified' crap. I work in healthcare so I face things every day more 'frightening' than this. I'm personally no more terrified of this than I am of a healthy person sneezing on my food. While the odds of getting e.coli from a fast food worker who doesn't wash his hands is statistically zero, that still doesn't mean that I'm okay with them not washing their hands.
Quote:Look, this is America where we still have the ability to disagree on facts. It seems that is what this is. It seems that we disagree on facts regarding the virus and on mitigation directives. Other than those who are getting censored on certain platforms because we have the wrong kind of opinion, we still have free speech.
Isn't that precisely the point of this thread/rant? To take people who make a different (even if clearly informed) decision and try and belittle them/accuse them of 'not being good Americans'?
The FACT is that these mitigation directives have existed in healthcare for decades... that's not because there is no science (nor economics for that matter) behind them. It's mostly because it's about playing the odds. People in healthcare are more likely to be exposed. People in densely populated areas/high traffic areas are more likely to be exposed. During a pandemic, especially with a new disease that we still don't know a lot about (I'm betting not one person on here, myself included would recognize the initial symptoms of the disease in themselves). The cost of infecting one person far outweighs the cost and inconvenience of masks under most circumstances.
Quote:I'm in a high risk category but I wear a mask only when a business has a sign stating that it is mandatory in order to enter their business. A few minutes in the store and the mask comes off once I exit the door. Somehow, we all managed up until this 'crisis' to live through flu and other disease outbreaks without the extreme measures that even some doctors say are very questionable.
This is a question of cost/benefit... and that answer can be very different based on all sorts of individual details. You can find people in ANY profession who disagree with the consensus, but it's still the overwhelming best practice of any health facility to REQUIRE vaccinations (or masks) for all employees and to ask patients to wear them if they even remotely think they might have flu symptoms.... and that's regular flu... every year. To me, it's common courtesy.
But that isn't at all what I've been railing against. You make whatever decision you think suits the circumstances... that's not remotely the same thing as trying to browbeat people into a different position. Yes, I've done that here because that's the whole point of this thread... to once again try and claim that there is little/no factual evidence to support voluntary wearing of masks... and that it is somehow some sort of assault on our freedoms for society to smile upon voluntary conscientious public behaviors. All other things being equal, I think the benefits of masks far outweigh the inconveniences of them. No, that doesn't mean they should be worn everywhere or at all times... not remotely... but if it's a toss-up, I think being 'polite' swings the balance.
The other half of my point is that 'this position' (do nothing) didn't win this time, and while it may be tempered somewhat going forward, I don't remotely see us doing what Japan did... which was very little in terms of intrusion. I see the left on this issue being emboldened by it and only seeking to fine-tune it, not 'ashamed' of their over-reaction. We need to be uniting against the people trying to make decisions for us, not against those who simply make different decisions.
Bully the Karen's... they're asking for laws to be passed (and enforced) to stop you from making your own decision based on your circumstances. Bully the politicians... they're passing those laws.
Bullying people simply encouraging you to think of your community or being a good neighbor and not ONLY yourself (
even if you come up with the same answer) is wrong.
These are often not decisions that only impact you. If they were, I'd have no reason to say a damn word about it. They aren't... and this is a big part of my job... so I feel that it's my civic duty and responsibility to speak up. That doesn't remotely mean that I think there should be laws passed preventing you from disagreeing.
