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This basketball season, like the football season, was essentially ruined by the pandemic. The good news is that it doesn't "count" as a season played by the players, but how many in football and basketball will actually stay for their extra season?

Lots of players on the rosters, especially of mid-majors and low-majors, are not really D-I players. The average fan I don't think realizes just how talented a player has to be to truly contribute at the D-I level. There just aren't enough D-I players coming out of the high schools and JUCOs to fill all the openings on all 350 programs. Those who stay around are essentially practice players. You need good practice players, so they do earn their scholarships.
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- Another subject that i agree with Danny. and thats scary. KB is not a D1 player. i understand why we took the chance as 6'10 guys dont come around often to the MAC.
- Basketball (like or not) has become a positionless game so we dont need a large beefy big as someone suggested. those are rare at d1 especially MAC.
- Our roster and probably every one in the MAC has realistically 2-3 guys on scholarship that arent d1 guys. and thats also a factor why there is so much roster turnover.
- this program has consistently proven we'll be at .500 or 2 games below or above in the MAC. Its the same story every year. Seniors have alot of rope to do whatever they desire and those desires many times dont translate to good team ball or the ability to win it all. This year its pippen and nuga. They get almost 50% of shots. Yes they're talented but IMO is that going to get us a ring. i dont think so. I struggle with whether this is OK as we could be like Northern Illinois bad and irrelevant every year.
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(01-05-2021 09:28 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  - Another subject that i agree with Danny. and thats scary. KB is not a D1 player. i understand why we took the chance as 6'10 guys dont come around often to the MAC.
- Basketball (like or not) has become a positionless game so we dont need a large beefy big as someone suggested. those are rare at d1 especially MAC.
- Our roster and probably every one in the MAC has realistically 2-3 guys on scholarship that arent d1 guys. and thats also a factor why there is so much roster turnover.
- this program has consistently proven we'll be at .500 or 2 games below or above in the MAC. Its the same story every year. Seniors have alot of rope to do whatever they desire and those desires many times dont translate to good team ball or the ability to win it all. This year its pippen and nuga. They get almost 50% of shots. Yes they're talented but IMO is that going to get us a ring. i dont think so. I struggle with whether this is OK as we could be like Northern Illinois bad and irrelevant every year.

I counter this argument by asking - after Nuga, DP and Hamilton - who else do you want taking 8-10-12 shots a game???

Look at Akron ... they have 1 guy taking the bulk of the shots, The difference is, the rest of the team/fans seem to realize that's the best way to win. 'Team' ball is defined by what makes the team a winner.

Personal opinion ... I think any MAC team that has 2 talented players capable of being first or second team All-MAC can be a contender. Most years Kent (Akron, Buffalo, Toledo) have 1-2 or even three.

So let's go play ball.
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Do the Golden Flashes play Toledo this afternoon at 2?
01-05-2021 12:41 PM
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(01-05-2021 12:41 PM)fallsdog Wrote:  Do the Golden Flashes play Toledo this afternoon at 2?

Yes.
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Up 6 with 16 minutes to go.
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Gave up an offensive rebound and lost 84-82. Not good. Game was in Kent so a home loss
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(01-05-2021 12:27 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 09:28 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  - Another subject that i agree with Danny. and thats scary. KB is not a D1 player. i understand why we took the chance as 6'10 guys dont come around often to the MAC.
- Basketball (like or not) has become a positionless game so we dont need a large beefy big as someone suggested. those are rare at d1 especially MAC.
- Our roster and probably every one in the MAC has realistically 2-3 guys on scholarship that arent d1 guys. and thats also a factor why there is so much roster turnover.
- this program has consistently proven we'll be at .500 or 2 games below or above in the MAC. Its the same story every year. Seniors have alot of rope to do whatever they desire and those desires many times dont translate to good team ball or the ability to win it all. This year its pippen and nuga. They get almost 50% of shots. Yes they're talented but IMO is that going to get us a ring. i dont think so. I struggle with whether this is OK as we could be like Northern Illinois bad and irrelevant every year.

I counter this argument by asking - after Nuga, DP and Hamilton - who else do you want taking 8-10-12 shots a game???

Look at Akron ... they have 1 guy taking the bulk of the shots, The difference is, the rest of the team/fans seem to realize that's the best way to win. 'Team' ball is defined by what makes the team a winner.

Personal opinion ... I think any MAC team that has 2 talented players capable of being first or second team All-MAC can be a contender. Most years Kent (Akron, Buffalo, Toledo) have 1-2 or even three.

So let's go play ball.

Go look at todays box score. pippen 23 and nuga 16 shots. toledo (best record in league) had 4 guys in double figures with 17,15,11 and 10 shots. thats 4 guys who are threats to score. i'm fine if santiago, hamilton, and beck get more shots. i also think hernandez has potential but we wont know.
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Beck needs to not get off the bench.
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(01-05-2021 06:21 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Beck needs to not get off the bench.

Disagree. 8 pts and 6 rebs in 16 minutes today, 8 pts and 5 rebs in 18 minutes against Akron. I think he's looked good. What he needs to do is learn to pass the ball to a PG after a defensive rebound. He's not our only PF that needs to learn that.
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(01-05-2021 04:14 PM)ksu315 Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 12:27 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 09:28 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  - Another subject that i agree with Danny. and thats scary. KB is not a D1 player. i understand why we took the chance as 6'10 guys dont come around often to the MAC.
- Basketball (like or not) has become a positionless game so we dont need a large beefy big as someone suggested. those are rare at d1 especially MAC.
- Our roster and probably every one in the MAC has realistically 2-3 guys on scholarship that arent d1 guys. and thats also a factor why there is so much roster turnover.
- this program has consistently proven we'll be at .500 or 2 games below or above in the MAC. Its the same story every year. Seniors have alot of rope to do whatever they desire and those desires many times dont translate to good team ball or the ability to win it all. This year its pippen and nuga. They get almost 50% of shots. Yes they're talented but IMO is that going to get us a ring. i dont think so. I struggle with whether this is OK as we could be like Northern Illinois bad and irrelevant every year.

I counter this argument by asking - after Nuga, DP and Hamilton - who else do you want taking 8-10-12 shots a game???

Look at Akron ... they have 1 guy taking the bulk of the shots, The difference is, the rest of the team/fans seem to realize that's the best way to win. 'Team' ball is defined by what makes the team a winner.

Personal opinion ... I think any MAC team that has 2 talented players capable of being first or second team All-MAC can be a contender. Most years Kent (Akron, Buffalo, Toledo) have 1-2 or even three.

So let's go play ball.

Go look at todays box score. pippen 23 and nuga 16 shots. toledo (best record in league) had 4 guys in double figures with 17,15,11 and 10 shots. thats 4 guys who are threats to score. i'm fine if santiago, hamilton, and beck get more shots. i also think hernandez has potential but we wont know.

I think your issue with Nuga should be minutes not shot attempts. He's not really attempting a crazy amount of shots for the minutes he's playing. He's averaging 34.8 mpg and taking 14.3 shots per game and played. That 16 shots you mentioned came in 38 minutes. Coming in his usage rate was at 23.3. None of those are crazy, and his efficiency has been really good. He's shooting 47.7% from the floor and 36% from three while only turning it over 1.5 times per game. So I really have no issues with how he's playing. I would rather see him taking shots than Jacobs who's shooting 33.3%.

Now if your argument is that you'd rather see him around 30 mpg keeping him slightly fresher and giving minutes to someone else, I think that's fair. I think we've seen a lot of D1 players that should be able to contribute nailed to the bench in recent years. I was just looking at Deandre Gholston's stats at Milwaukee earlier. He's having a nice year. 13.2 ppg, 5.6 rpg, and shooting 43% from three. Second leading scorer on a 3-2 Horizon League team. Tough to imagine he couldn't have given us anything in the year we had him, while our top 2 guards (Walker and Avery) were over 35 mpg and our third guard (Williams) was over 31. Honestly Gholston is as good, or better than all three JUCO guards we recruited this year. Had we given him a ration of minutes and kept him engaged maybe he sticks around and instead of going out looking for 2 year fillers with his spot, we have a guy that already has experience in the system, with comparable talent to the replacements we'd get. Maybe he still leaves after one of his first two year if he's only getting 8-10 minutes a night? Sure. But even guys your force feed the minutes too, like Roberts, sometimes leave.

I like Sendy but that's my big complaint with his style. Cuts the rotation so tight that there's clear D1 talent rotting on the bench. Plus, I'm sure it makes it much easier for MAC teams to gameplan for us.
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(01-05-2021 10:35 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 06:21 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Beck needs to not get off the bench.

Disagree. 8 pts and 6 rebs in 16 minutes today, 8 pts and 5 rebs in 18 minutes against Akron. I think he's looked good. What he needs to do is learn to pass the ball to a PG after a defensive rebound. He's not our only PF that needs to learn that.

Jusging from the box scores ... You got two guards (in a 3 guard lineup) that don't average 10 points a game. That's a problem. None of the three guards (including Nuga) handle the ball well in the halfcourt. First time in several years Kent has not had a guard (Brewer, Zabo, Booman) who could attack the rim in the halfcourt off the dribble. Combined with no solid low block scorer, that's two staples for KSU basketball that seem to be missing.

Jordan or Hernandez are a pair of featherweights but might be worth a longer look.

Finally ... in a normal season six games would put Kent at the semester break with 5-6 games to go before MAC play started to figure some stuff out. Still early ... sort of.
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(01-05-2021 11:19 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 04:14 PM)ksu315 Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 12:27 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 09:28 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  - Another subject that i agree with Danny. and thats scary. KB is not a D1 player. i understand why we took the chance as 6'10 guys dont come around often to the MAC.
- Basketball (like or not) has become a positionless game so we dont need a large beefy big as someone suggested. those are rare at d1 especially MAC.
- Our roster and probably every one in the MAC has realistically 2-3 guys on scholarship that arent d1 guys. and thats also a factor why there is so much roster turnover.
- this program has consistently proven we'll be at .500 or 2 games below or above in the MAC. Its the same story every year. Seniors have alot of rope to do whatever they desire and those desires many times dont translate to good team ball or the ability to win it all. This year its pippen and nuga. They get almost 50% of shots. Yes they're talented but IMO is that going to get us a ring. i dont think so. I struggle with whether this is OK as we could be like Northern Illinois bad and irrelevant every year.

I counter this argument by asking - after Nuga, DP and Hamilton - who else do you want taking 8-10-12 shots a game???

Look at Akron ... they have 1 guy taking the bulk of the shots, The difference is, the rest of the team/fans seem to realize that's the best way to win. 'Team' ball is defined by what makes the team a winner.

Personal opinion ... I think any MAC team that has 2 talented players capable of being first or second team All-MAC can be a contender. Most years Kent (Akron, Buffalo, Toledo) have 1-2 or even three.

So let's go play ball.

Go look at todays box score. pippen 23 and nuga 16 shots. toledo (best record in league) had 4 guys in double figures with 17,15,11 and 10 shots. thats 4 guys who are threats to score. i'm fine if santiago, hamilton, and beck get more shots. i also think hernandez has potential but we wont know.

I think your issue with Nuga should be minutes not shot attempts. He's not really attempting a crazy amount of shots for the minutes he's playing. He's averaging 34.8 mpg and taking 14.3 shots per game and played. That 16 shots you mentioned came in 38 minutes. Coming in his usage rate was at 23.3. None of those are crazy, and his efficiency has been really good. He's shooting 47.7% from the floor and 36% from three while only turning it over 1.5 times per game. So I really have no issues with how he's playing. I would rather see him taking shots than Jacobs who's shooting 33.3%.

Now if your argument is that you'd rather see him around 30 mpg keeping him slightly fresher and giving minutes to someone else, I think that's fair. I think we've seen a lot of D1 players that should be able to contribute nailed to the bench in recent years. I was just looking at Deandre Gholston's stats at Milwaukee earlier. He's having a nice year. 13.2 ppg, 5.6 rpg, and shooting 43% from three. Second leading scorer on a 3-2 Horizon League team. Tough to imagine he couldn't have given us anything in the year we had him, while our top 2 guards (Walker and Avery) were over 35 mpg and our third guard (Williams) was over 31. Honestly Gholston is as good, or better than all three JUCO guards we recruited this year. Had we given him a ration of minutes and kept him engaged maybe he sticks around and instead of going out looking for 2 year fillers with his spot, we have a guy that already has experience in the system, with comparable talent to the replacements we'd get. Maybe he still leaves after one of his first two year if he's only getting 8-10 minutes a night? Sure. But even guys your force feed the minutes too, like Roberts, sometimes leave.

I like Sendy but that's my big complaint with his style. Cuts the rotation so tight that there's clear D1 talent rotting on the bench. Plus, I'm sure it makes it much easier for MAC teams to gameplan for us.

i agree with your minutes and thoughts on giving minutes to young guys. hernandez has some talent and i fear he will be our latest young guy to rot and resurface elsewhere and be very productive. I dont mind a juco here or there but generally there is zero defense at that level so when you have multiple guys trying to make D1 transition that's tough.
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