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RE: Toledo opponent San Diego State's fall athletics in question
Going by May 12 San Diego County numbers:
San Diego County pop. 3.3 million
Coronavirus cases 5,161
Coronavirus deaths 190
86% of deaths 60+ yrs.
Deaths 0-29 yrs =2
CV Morbidity rate=.16%
CV Mortality rate=.006%
CV Mortality rate for 0-29yrs=.00006%
National mortality rate for college students:
.002%
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(05-13-2020 07:31 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Going by May 12 San Diego County numbers:
San Diego County pop. 3.3 million
Coronavirus cases 5,161
Coronavirus deaths 190
86% of deaths 60+ yrs.
Deaths 0-29 yrs =2
CV Morbidity rate=.16%
CV Mortality rate=.006%
CV Mortality rate for 0-29yrs=.00006%
National mortality rate for college students:
.002%

The stats in Michigan are very similar in terms of age demographics. +46K cases and 4,653 deaths. Those aged 60 and above account for 39% of all cases and 86% of all the deaths.

5 counties in Michigan make up 76% of all cases and 87.3% of all deaths.

23 of the 83 counties have no deaths at all. 62 of the 83 counties have 10 or fewer deaths (138 in total among those 62 counties and a 5.9% death rate - which is comparable to the US in total) The 21 remaining counties make up 94.9% of the cases and 97.0% of all deaths in Michigan and has a 10.3% death rate of those diagnosed as being infected.

There are several more stats that would be even more telling, but I doubt they will be made available - such as deaths for those that are morbidly obese and/or with diabetes - broken down by the same age groups. Would then like to see the same numbers in other countries. I think it will be very telling about the absolutely poor health of the population in the US. And it is only getting worse and at an earlier age.
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I suspect that the schools that play will attempt to schedule different games. Might be a crazy roulette and an opportunity to play someone different


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(05-14-2020 06:15 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  I suspect that the schools that play will attempt to schedule different games. Might be a crazy roulette and an opportunity to play someone different


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RE: Toledo opponent San Diego State's fall athletics in question
(05-14-2020 12:26 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  
(05-13-2020 07:31 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Going by May 12 San Diego County numbers:
San Diego County pop. 3.3 million
Coronavirus cases 5,161
Coronavirus deaths 190
86% of deaths 60+ yrs.
Deaths 0-29 yrs =2
CV Morbidity rate=.16%
CV Mortality rate=.006%
CV Mortality rate for 0-29yrs=.00006%
National mortality rate for college students:
.002%

The stats in Michigan are very similar in terms of age demographics. +46K cases and 4,653 deaths. Those aged 60 and above account for 39% of all cases and 86% of all the deaths.

5 counties in Michigan make up 76% of all cases and 87.3% of all deaths.

23 of the 83 counties have no deaths at all. 62 of the 83 counties have 10 or fewer deaths (138 in total among those 62 counties and a 5.9% death rate - which is comparable to the US in total) The 21 remaining counties make up 94.9% of the cases and 97.0% of all deaths in Michigan and has a 10.3% death rate of those diagnosed as being infected.

There are several more stats that would be even more telling, but I doubt they will be made available - such as deaths for those that are morbidly obese and/or with diabetes - broken down by the same age groups. Would then like to see the same numbers in other countries. I think it will be very telling about the absolutely poor health of the population in the US. And it is only getting worse and at an earlier age.

I'm careful about stating numbers like this because it can come off like old people or fat people or diabetics don't matter or deserve their fate. So, the last part of your reply moto is important. what these numbers do say, and our fairly high COVID mortality rates vs other nations suggest is that the overall population tends to be in poor health in the US, especially in areas with a lot of poverty. however, as someone who has worked to develop pioneering programs addressing social determinants of health, this is something the less commercial side of the health care system has been aware of and working to address for some time. the challenges are primarily 1) systemic poverty issues in the US are very entrenched and there's little national will to address them. 2) the bulk of the food and pharmaceutical industries have little incentive to change and make a good portion of their money from contributing to these problems. we can talk about obesity, but the reality is 98% of taxpayers USDA monies go to support dairy, meat, feed crops, corn syrups and about 2% go to fruit and vegetable farmers. And while there is some support for addressing this in factions and individuals of the democratic party, generally, both parties have supported this misguided approach to appropriations. In reality, America has sick care more than health care and when a bad disease starts to get out of control a sick population will struggle more than a healthy one.
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(05-14-2020 10:13 PM)pono Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 12:26 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  
(05-13-2020 07:31 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Going by May 12 San Diego County numbers:
San Diego County pop. 3.3 million
Coronavirus cases 5,161
Coronavirus deaths 190
86% of deaths 60+ yrs.
Deaths 0-29 yrs =2
CV Morbidity rate=.16%
CV Mortality rate=.006%
CV Mortality rate for 0-29yrs=.00006%
National mortality rate for college students:
.002%

The stats in Michigan are very similar in terms of age demographics. +46K cases and 4,653 deaths. Those aged 60 and above account for 39% of all cases and 86% of all the deaths.

5 counties in Michigan make up 76% of all cases and 87.3% of all deaths.

23 of the 83 counties have no deaths at all. 62 of the 83 counties have 10 or fewer deaths (138 in total among those 62 counties and a 5.9% death rate - which is comparable to the US in total) The 21 remaining counties make up 94.9% of the cases and 97.0% of all deaths in Michigan and has a 10.3% death rate of those diagnosed as being infected.

There are several more stats that would be even more telling, but I doubt they will be made available - such as deaths for those that are morbidly obese and/or with diabetes - broken down by the same age groups. Would then like to see the same numbers in other countries. I think it will be very telling about the absolutely poor health of the population in the US. And it is only getting worse and at an earlier age.

I'm careful about stating numbers like this because it can come off like old people or fat people or diabetics don't matter or deserve their fate. So, the last part of your reply moto is important. what these numbers do say, and our fairly high COVID mortality rates vs other nations suggest is that the overall population tends to be in poor health in the US, especially in areas with a lot of poverty. however, as someone who has worked to develop pioneering programs addressing social determinants of health, this is something the less commercial side of the health care system has been aware of and working to address for some time. the challenges are primarily 1) systemic poverty issues in the US are very entrenched and there's little national will to address them. 2) the bulk of the food and pharmaceutical industries have little incentive to change and make a good portion of their money from contributing to these problems. we can talk about obesity, but the reality is 98% of taxpayers USDA monies go to support dairy, meat, feed crops, corn syrups and about 2% go to fruit and vegetable farmers. And while there is some support for addressing this in factions and individuals of the democratic party, generally, both parties have supported this misguided approach to appropriations. In reality, America has sick care more than health care and when a bad disease starts to get out of control a sick population will struggle more than a healthy one.
Fairly high rates vs other nations?
Coronavirus mortality rates per 1 million population:
Belgium 769
Spain 584
Italy 519
UK 495
France 420
Sweden 350
Netherlands 326
Ireland 305
US 263
Switzerland 217
Germany 95
I would assume some of the Southern Hemisphere nations' will grow as they get deeper into their coldest temps of the year.

Interesting enough, if you drop the coronavirus deaths and population numbers of NY, NJ, and Massachusetts out of the US's numbers, it drops
the mortality rate per 1 million pop. from 263 to about 149. Three states that tout higher incomes,
better educational and medical systems.
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(05-14-2020 10:13 PM)pono Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 12:26 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  
(05-13-2020 07:31 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Going by May 12 San Diego County numbers:
San Diego County pop. 3.3 million
Coronavirus cases 5,161
Coronavirus deaths 190
86% of deaths 60+ yrs.
Deaths 0-29 yrs =2
CV Morbidity rate=.16%
CV Mortality rate=.006%
CV Mortality rate for 0-29yrs=.00006%
National mortality rate for college students:
.002%

The stats in Michigan are very similar in terms of age demographics. +46K cases and 4,653 deaths. Those aged 60 and above account for 39% of all cases and 86% of all the deaths.

5 counties in Michigan make up 76% of all cases and 87.3% of all deaths.

23 of the 83 counties have no deaths at all. 62 of the 83 counties have 10 or fewer deaths (138 in total among those 62 counties and a 5.9% death rate - which is comparable to the US in total) The 21 remaining counties make up 94.9% of the cases and 97.0% of all deaths in Michigan and has a 10.3% death rate of those diagnosed as being infected.

There are several more stats that would be even more telling, but I doubt they will be made available - such as deaths for those that are morbidly obese and/or with diabetes - broken down by the same age groups. Would then like to see the same numbers in other countries. I think it will be very telling about the absolutely poor health of the population in the US. And it is only getting worse and at an earlier age.

I'm careful about stating numbers like this because it can come off like old people or fat people or diabetics don't matter or deserve their fate. So, the last part of your reply moto is important. what these numbers do say, and our fairly high COVID mortality rates vs other nations suggest is that the overall population tends to be in poor health in the US, especially in areas with a lot of poverty. however, as someone who has worked to develop pioneering programs addressing social determinants of health, this is something the less commercial side of the health care system has been aware of and working to address for some time. the challenges are primarily 1) systemic poverty issues in the US are very entrenched and there's little national will to address them. 2) the bulk of the food and pharmaceutical industries have little incentive to change and make a good portion of their money from contributing to these problems. we can talk about obesity, but the reality is 98% of taxpayers USDA monies go to support dairy, meat, feed crops, corn syrups and about 2% go to fruit and vegetable farmers. And while there is some support for addressing this in factions and individuals of the democratic party, generally, both parties have supported this misguided approach to appropriations. In reality, America has sick care more than health care and when a bad disease starts to get out of control a sick population will struggle more than a healthy one.

100% agree with what you are saying. My only point was to point out the relatively poor health of Americans (and I did not want to try to compare to other countries because there are a bevy of other factors that weigh in as they become - or have become - "Westernized".

It is also absolutely correct that we have sickness coverage that is treated by prescriptions instead of health care that promotes a healthy lifestyle. There are programs that are very successful at getting people off prescription medications through changes in diets and exercise - but they are not covered by "health insurance". They are also very difficult life style changes for most, and when a pill or an injection can treat an illness, that is an easy decision to make. Physicians given incentives for prescriptions - and they cannot spend the time and attention required for their patients to transition their life style. Wellness programs are largely ignored even with some incentives to reduce the cost of health insurance in the work place.

The curious part of this is whether or not there will be a change toward healthy living styles in the US and elsewhere that stems from this pandemic. It is unlikely.

BTW - I never said the elderly or large persons do not matter. I don't think you were suggesting that, but rather that it is the first rebuttal when that type of data is being used to assess impacts and set a focus.
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Then there is good old age:
Shrinkage of the thymus
T cell function is less.
Antibody production decreases.
Diseases like diabetes impacts immunity.
Vaccines are less effective in older populations.
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(05-15-2020 06:15 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 10:13 PM)pono Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 12:26 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  
(05-13-2020 07:31 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Going by May 12 San Diego County numbers:
San Diego County pop. 3.3 million
Coronavirus cases 5,161
Coronavirus deaths 190
86% of deaths 60+ yrs.
Deaths 0-29 yrs =2
CV Morbidity rate=.16%
CV Mortality rate=.006%
CV Mortality rate for 0-29yrs=.00006%
National mortality rate for college students:
.002%

The stats in Michigan are very similar in terms of age demographics. +46K cases and 4,653 deaths. Those aged 60 and above account for 39% of all cases and 86% of all the deaths.

5 counties in Michigan make up 76% of all cases and 87.3% of all deaths.

23 of the 83 counties have no deaths at all. 62 of the 83 counties have 10 or fewer deaths (138 in total among those 62 counties and a 5.9% death rate - which is comparable to the US in total) The 21 remaining counties make up 94.9% of the cases and 97.0% of all deaths in Michigan and has a 10.3% death rate of those diagnosed as being infected.

There are several more stats that would be even more telling, but I doubt they will be made available - such as deaths for those that are morbidly obese and/or with diabetes - broken down by the same age groups. Would then like to see the same numbers in other countries. I think it will be very telling about the absolutely poor health of the population in the US. And it is only getting worse and at an earlier age.

I'm careful about stating numbers like this because it can come off like old people or fat people or diabetics don't matter or deserve their fate. So, the last part of your reply moto is important. what these numbers do say, and our fairly high COVID mortality rates vs other nations suggest is that the overall population tends to be in poor health in the US, especially in areas with a lot of poverty. however, as someone who has worked to develop pioneering programs addressing social determinants of health, this is something the less commercial side of the health care system has been aware of and working to address for some time. the challenges are primarily 1) systemic poverty issues in the US are very entrenched and there's little national will to address them. 2) the bulk of the food and pharmaceutical industries have little incentive to change and make a good portion of their money from contributing to these problems. we can talk about obesity, but the reality is 98% of taxpayers USDA monies go to support dairy, meat, feed crops, corn syrups and about 2% go to fruit and vegetable farmers. And while there is some support for addressing this in factions and individuals of the democratic party, generally, both parties have supported this misguided approach to appropriations. In reality, America has sick care more than health care and when a bad disease starts to get out of control a sick population will struggle more than a healthy one.

100% agree with what you are saying. My only point was to point out the relatively poor health of Americans (and I did not want to try to compare to other countries because there are a bevy of other factors that weigh in as they become - or have become - "Westernized".

It is also absolutely correct that we have sickness coverage that is treated by prescriptions instead of health care that promotes a healthy lifestyle. There are programs that are very successful at getting people off prescription medications through changes in diets and exercise - but they are not covered by "health insurance". They are also very difficult life style changes for most, and when a pill or an injection can treat an illness, that is an easy decision to make. Physicians given incentives for prescriptions - and they cannot spend the time and attention required for their patients to transition their life style. Wellness programs are largely ignored even with some incentives to reduce the cost of health insurance in the work place.

The curious part of this is whether or not there will be a change toward healthy living styles in the US and elsewhere that stems from this pandemic. It is unlikely.

BTW - I never said the elderly or large persons do not matter. I don't think you were suggesting that, but rather that it is the first rebuttal when that type of data is being used to assess impacts and set a focus.

yeah, we're good here moto. that's why i focused on your overall point, not the presentation of your data that I could use to make a critique or assume a bias. doing wellness work is a challenge because so little of it is reimbursable. it's a constant search for grants or budgetary crumbs to fund things that have proven impacts. whereas sick care that helps manage illness but doesn't improve overall health is a gold mine.

there's also a lot of difference in each country, even the ones that have handled the disease poorly. italy has fairly healthy people, but a high percentage of very old ones and a health system that was stretched thin by austerity budget cuts. Spain is similar. Iran also has done poorly and it has poverty issues, poor government, and an economic blockade that causes supply and equipment shortages. Brazil has poverty and poor governance-their president is still pushing choroquine, no social distancing and has burned through 2 health ministers in a month. The US has a mix of all these issues at varying levels in a huge country.

As far as football season. I'd imagine teams will start planning alternative schedules or match-ups. If testing gets fully functional I'd think small groups of players and coaches could begin train, but you'd need to avoid full team activities so if there is an outbreak you can isolate that small group of say 4 lineman and 2 staff, and not have to worry about it spreading through the whole squad. Not sure how you ca justify full game situations at this point, but I'd think you can learn how to attend class, live on campus and have a modified version of practice in places where infections are not out of control and there's clear guidance on how to avoid and control small outbreaks. Most of these athletes can survive the illness but we can't justify the games risking big outbreaks as it is a very serious disease, especially for older folks. Right now we just need good leadership and coordination across the board.
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