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RE: Heflin Entering Transfer Portal (Brinkman & Perez as well potentially)
(05-25-2020 08:02 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(05-25-2020 07:30 AM)Big Red Wrote:  Was it the "school" that gave him his change and deserves his "loyalty" or was it his "head coach" that gave him is chance and left the school for more money?

Either way, this whole discussion of a college player and who he should be "loyal" to is ridiculous and I'm kinda disappointed in my self for dipping my toe into it.

Again, no chance. He fought for what he has, he was a walk-on.

Again, I don't care if he was a walk-on or a highly fought after recruit. He fulfilled his commitment that he made to a different coach (and like you pointed out...he wasn't under any binding commitment anyway). He's free to make any choice he wants. Either way, if the rules are written for him (or any player) to transfer, then this ridiculous argument about "loyalty" is just lame.
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(05-25-2020 10:27 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(05-25-2020 08:02 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(05-25-2020 07:30 AM)Big Red Wrote:  Was it the "school" that gave him his change and deserves his "loyalty" or was it his "head coach" that gave him is chance and left the school for more money?

Either way, this whole discussion of a college player and who he should be "loyal" to is ridiculous and I'm kinda disappointed in my self for dipping my toe into it.

Again, no chance. He fought for what he has, he was a walk-on.

Again, I don't care if he was a walk-on or a highly fought after recruit. He fulfilled his commitment that he made to a different coach (and like you pointed out...he wasn't under any binding commitment anyway). He's free to make any choice he wants. Either way, if the rules are written for him (or any player) to transfer, then this ridiculous argument about "loyalty" is just lame.

Lol. It seems we are making the same argument. I agree with what you're saying 100%.
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RE: Heflin Entering Transfer Portal (Brinkman & Perez as well potentially)
If he gets to the NFL and plays on Monday night football, will he say his college was Iowa or NIU?
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(05-24-2020 11:01 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(05-24-2020 09:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-24-2020 05:15 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 11:28 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 10:51 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  +1000

Sorry, thought this was college football there for a second.

You're right. It is college football. It is also his life and his choice.
You are the one who questioned his loyalty.
Thought I would use an analogy you might understand.
Sorry.

Just because he had a choice doesn't mean he has loyalty.

Loyalty is lost in modern culture.

Then there's no reason for any of us to watch college football.
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RE: Heflin Entering Transfer Portal (Brinkman & Perez as well potentially)
(05-24-2020 09:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-24-2020 05:15 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 11:28 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 10:51 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 10:34 AM)leguptopee Wrote:  Wait now...... I am sure everyone on this message board is not in the same
entry level position they hired into.
I am sure some have even moved on or taken a promotion
somewhere else that offered more.
It was the head coach who decided to tear this team down.
Not the players. Some of his "teammates" as you say were even demoted.
So the incoming coaching staff has not shown the loyalty that you speak of.
So don't blame a player for taking an opportunity to take a step up and play
big time college football at Iowa. Any competitor worth his salt would jump at the opportunity.
He was a walk on that earned everything he got at NIU and he also earned
this opportunity. Wish him all the best.

+1000

Sorry, thought this was college football there for a second.

You're right. It is college football. It is also his life and his choice.
You are the one who questioned his loyalty.
Thought I would use an analogy you might understand.
Sorry.

Just because he had a choice doesn't mean he has loyalty.

And just because he made a choice doesn't mean he lacks loyalty either.
Again, your the one who questioned his loyalty, not me.
First and foremost his loyalty is to himself and his family. All that other stuff is B.S.

Schools chew up athletes and spit them out all the time with no so called Loyalty.
Coaches chew up athletes and spit them out all the time too with no so called Loyalty.

I've said before NIU's new coach's have decided to tear apart the team.
They didn't show any loyalty to some of the existing players. They are the new coaches
and can do whatever the want.

This player can do whatever he thinks is in his best interests too. And it has nothing to do with loyalty.
He is an athlete, who like most athletes want to compete at the highest level.
He is taking a chance, but at least he will not look back and wonder "what if".
He at least is taking his shot at competing against some of the best
in the country week in and week out. It's a step up in class.
This is an opportunity of his lifetime and whether he succeeds or fails,
I commend him for having the balls to take his shot. God Bless Him.
Taking a chance to play in the big ten certainly is a great risk but the
rewards certainly are equally as great. Let a guy chase his dream without
questioning his character. Geez.
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(05-23-2020 06:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 06:21 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 05:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 05:00 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 04:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I liked Forsett from the first time I saw him in the NFL. He was obviously good. Maybe he wasn't big enough for an everydown back but he certainly had the talent from day 1.

I hope you're right about the talent he's bringing in. The consensus on this board seems to be optimistic in that regard. We've been missing the great RBs we used to have.

Yeah, we haven't had the talent at RB. I really liked Jordan Huff, I'm sad and shocked he never hung on in the NFL. He was worth a shot in the AAF or XFL.

I agree. We'd have to go back to Chad Spann, and maybe Wolfe, to see his kind of talent at running the ball. He reminded me a bit of Thomas Rawls at CMU, whom we couldn't stop when we played them. Speaking of which, do you have any thoughts on why he didn't play more at NIU?

Huff was behind Bouganon, who had somewhat of a pro career. Huff was explosive everytime he had the ball in his hands. I remember he wasn't 100% healthy his senior year

I guess I wondered why he was behind Bouagnon certainly Huff was easily the better runner.

Huff wasn't the better runner. He was the faster runner but he couldn't read the line or plays like Joel B. Joel would get 4 yards and move the chains. Huff could get 10 but many times misread and get 0. On those team's the QB play down to 3rd string and getting first downs was precious. Joel was by far the better choice for those teams.
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RE: Heflin Entering Transfer Portal (Brinkman & Perez as well potentially)
(Yesterday 09:20 AM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 06:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 06:21 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 05:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 05:00 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  Yeah, we haven't had the talent at RB. I really liked Jordan Huff, I'm sad and shocked he never hung on in the NFL. He was worth a shot in the AAF or XFL.

I agree. We'd have to go back to Chad Spann, and maybe Wolfe, to see his kind of talent at running the ball. He reminded me a bit of Thomas Rawls at CMU, whom we couldn't stop when we played them. Speaking of which, do you have any thoughts on why he didn't play more at NIU?

Huff was behind Bouganon, who had somewhat of a pro career. Huff was explosive everytime he had the ball in his hands. I remember he wasn't 100% healthy his senior year

I guess I wondered why he was behind Bouagnon certainly Huff was easily the better runner.

Huff wasn't the better runner. He was the faster runner but he couldn't read the line or plays like Joel B. Joel would get 4 yards and move the chains. Huff could get 10 but many times misread and get 0. On those team's the QB play down to 3rd string and getting first downs was precious. Joel was by far the better choice for those teams.

I get your point. Boom or Bust vs Guarunteed 4 yds.
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(Yesterday 09:20 AM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 06:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 06:21 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 05:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 05:00 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  Yeah, we haven't had the talent at RB. I really liked Jordan Huff, I'm sad and shocked he never hung on in the NFL. He was worth a shot in the AAF or XFL.

I agree. We'd have to go back to Chad Spann, and maybe Wolfe, to see his kind of talent at running the ball. He reminded me a bit of Thomas Rawls at CMU, whom we couldn't stop when we played them. Speaking of which, do you have any thoughts on why he didn't play more at NIU?

Huff was behind Bouganon, who had somewhat of a pro career. Huff was explosive everytime he had the ball in his hands. I remember he wasn't 100% healthy his senior year

I guess I wondered why he was behind Bouagnon certainly Huff was easily the better runner.

Huff wasn't the better runner. He was the faster runner but he couldn't read the line or plays like Joel B. Joel would get 4 yards and move the chains. Huff could get 10 but many times misread and get 0. On those team's the QB play down to 3rd string and getting first downs was precious. Joel was by far the better choice for those teams.

It's hard to argue that even that is worth 2.5 ypc difference. There was little chance we'd march down the field in 15 plays and score with those QBs in there. Somebody had to make a big play and we didn't have that. I'd accept an occasional loss to have somebody in there that might actually do something. And we didn't have any guaranteed 4 yards with Bouagnon either.
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(Yesterday 03:42 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:20 AM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 06:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 06:21 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 05:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I agree. We'd have to go back to Chad Spann, and maybe Wolfe, to see his kind of talent at running the ball. He reminded me a bit of Thomas Rawls at CMU, whom we couldn't stop when we played them. Speaking of which, do you have any thoughts on why he didn't play more at NIU?

Huff was behind Bouganon, who had somewhat of a pro career. Huff was explosive everytime he had the ball in his hands. I remember he wasn't 100% healthy his senior year

I guess I wondered why he was behind Bouagnon certainly Huff was easily the better runner.

Huff wasn't the better runner. He was the faster runner but he couldn't read the line or plays like Joel B. Joel would get 4 yards and move the chains. Huff could get 10 but many times misread and get 0. On those team's the QB play down to 3rd string and getting first downs was precious. Joel was by far the better choice for those teams.

It's hard to argue that even that is worth 2.5 ypc difference. There was little chance we'd march down the field in 15 plays and score with those QBs in there. Somebody had to make a big play and we didn't have that. I'd accept an occasional loss to have somebody in there that might actually do something. And we didn't have any guaranteed 4 yards with Bouagnon either.

Agreed, that offense was so ineffective because of lack of passing attack. We needed a threat in the running game so we could actually score some points. If I recall correctly, Huff had a higher YPC average than JB too. JB was not a big play threat and was not quick.
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(Yesterday 03:56 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(Yesterday 03:42 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:20 AM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 06:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 06:21 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  Huff was behind Bouganon, who had somewhat of a pro career. Huff was explosive everytime he had the ball in his hands. I remember he wasn't 100% healthy his senior year

I guess I wondered why he was behind Bouagnon certainly Huff was easily the better runner.

Huff wasn't the better runner. He was the faster runner but he couldn't read the line or plays like Joel B. Joel would get 4 yards and move the chains. Huff could get 10 but many times misread and get 0. On those team's the QB play down to 3rd string and getting first downs was precious. Joel was by far the better choice for those teams.

It's hard to argue that even that is worth 2.5 ypc difference. There was little chance we'd march down the field in 15 plays and score with those QBs in there. Somebody had to make a big play and we didn't have that. I'd accept an occasional loss to have somebody in there that might actually do something. And we didn't have any guaranteed 4 yards with Bouagnon either.

Agreed, that offense was so ineffective because of lack of passing attack. We needed a threat in the running game so we could actually score some points. If I recall correctly, Huff had a higher YPC average than JB too. JB was not a big play threat and was not quick.

Yep, YPC wasn't even close. I guess it wasn't 2.5 difference but 6.5 ypc vs. 4.9, though fewer carries for Huff. His worst year was 5.8. Huff wasn't just faster, he was a better runner.
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(05-27-2020 11:25 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  
(05-24-2020 09:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-24-2020 05:15 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 11:28 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 10:51 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  +1000

Sorry, thought this was college football there for a second.

You're right. It is college football. It is also his life and his choice.
You are the one who questioned his loyalty.
Thought I would use an analogy you might understand.
Sorry.

Just because he had a choice doesn't mean he has loyalty.

And just because he made a choice doesn't mean he lacks loyalty either.
Again, your the one who questioned his loyalty, not me.
First and foremost his loyalty is to himself and his family. All that other stuff is B.S.

Schools chew up athletes and spit them out all the time with no so called Loyalty.
Coaches chew up athletes and spit them out all the time too with no so called Loyalty.

I've said before NIU's new coach's have decided to tear apart the team.
They didn't show any loyalty to some of the existing players. They are the new coaches
and can do whatever the want.

This player can do whatever he thinks is in his best interests too. And it has nothing to do with loyalty.
He is an athlete, who like most athletes want to compete at the highest level.
He is taking a chance, but at least he will not look back and wonder "what if".
He at least is taking his shot at competing against some of the best
in the country week in and week out. It's a step up in class.
This is an opportunity of his lifetime and whether he succeeds or fails,
I commend him for having the balls to take his shot. God Bless Him.
Taking a chance to play in the big ten certainly is a great risk but the
rewards certainly are equally as great. Let a guy chase his dream without
questioning his character. Geez.

I don't care that much that he left - they did change coaching staffs. I just hope it doesn't become a regular thing with our better players, because if it does, that's the beginning of the end.
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Heflin Entering Transfer Portal (Brinkman & Perez as well potentially)
Imho, I think Heflin was the player we could least afford to lose.

Who are the interior players who can come in and slow the run and provide a push on passing downs?

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(Yesterday 06:40 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  Imho, I think Heflin was the player we could least afford to lose.

Who are the interior players who can come in and slow the run and provide a push on passing downs

No doubt, he is the biggest loss of all the transfers. Our defensive line was a weakness last season. Seemed to be little to celebrate there with a lot less sacks, pressures, and tackles for loss. So losing your best player from a defensive line that wasn't overly productive in that sense is tough. Good 300 lbs DTs certainly are hard to come by unless you're a P5.
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