(05-10-2020 06:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 06:51 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 03:24 AM)KingSean Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 11:25 PM)sctvman Wrote:  http://twitter.com/Bballscoop1/status/12...5281568769

Now I'm interested in who they are

Well, Bellarmine, for one...

Can't be any of the schools that were already invited. Have to be 2 that have not been made public yet that they got invited.

According to that same Twitter account it will be...




Southern Indiana
Lindenwood University

both schools out of the GLVC

(05-10-2020 09:07 AM)bhutchcraft89 Wrote:  According to that same Twitter account it will be...




Southern Indiana
Lindenwood University

both schools out of the GLVC

I wonder to which conference(s) he intends for the two schools to go. They'd stretch the footprint of the A-Sun even more than it already is. Otherwise, the likeliest homes would be Summit, Horizon, or OVC. Lindenwood has football, while Southern Indiana does not.

If, hypothetically, the OVC loses two schools to the MVC been with the OVC be a good option?

USI is certainly on the OVC’s radar as an emergency backup. USI just built a beautiful new arena and the OVC holds its tournament in Evansville.

Lindenwood smells more like the Horizon looking to grab the St Louis market if Robert Morris rejected them.

Looks like I am more correct than NoDak if this is correct.

DavidSt's D2 To D1 Picks


I am better at this than NoDak's fantasy league.

I am surprised that no one has started a new thread about this tweet. It would start off about 5 pages of conference realignment possibilities.

Here is mine -
If UMKC was still in the WAC, there was a time that SIU-E was interested in the WAC. UM-SL and Lindenwood were also discussed as possibilities. Discussed by whom? I have no idea. But that seems to be a time in the past.

No idea where either would end up.

(05-10-2020 10:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Looks like I am more correct than NoDak if this is correct.

DavidSt's D2 To D1 Picks


I am better at this than NoDak's fantasy league.

This is hilarious. Congratulations David, you win the great pillow fight. You have been "right" on maybe 2% of your "predictions". You are really proud of yourself; hope you don't get stuck in any door frames.

Utah had two D2 schools until recently (Dixie State is moving to the WAC). The last remaining D2 school in Utah is Westminster College of Salt Lake. Enrollment is around 2100 undergraduates. Likely hood of moving up is very small. Not a lot of fan following and not much room to grow. The school has no room to grow outside of it's current campus.

(05-10-2020 04:57 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 10:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Looks like I am more correct than NoDak if this is correct.

DavidSt's D2 To D1 Picks


I am better at this than NoDak's fantasy league.

This is hilarious. Congratulations David, you win the great pillow fight. You have been "right" on maybe 2% of your "predictions". You are really proud of yourself; hope you don't get stuck in any door frames.

Still waiting to hear back from him on years and conferences for his “possible” D3 move ups. I see his “prediction” of SC St moving down to D2 still hasn’t happened yet. Maybe he could give us a year for that too.

(05-10-2020 09:37 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:07 AM)bhutchcraft89 Wrote:  According to that same Twitter account it will be...




Southern Indiana
Lindenwood University

both schools out of the GLVC

I wonder to which conference(s) he intends for the two schools to go. They'd stretch the footprint of the A-Sun even more than it already is. Otherwise, the likeliest homes would be Summit, Horizon, or OVC. Lindenwood has football, while Southern Indiana does not.

USI makes a ton of sense for the OVC if they're joining. The league just moved the tournament to Evansville, and the heart of USI's campus is two hours from Austin Peay and two and a half from SEMO, EIU, TSU, and Belmont. If they're losing Murray State to the MVC, they could do a lot worse.

Lindenwood... I have no idea. All three conferences make a degree of sense, but football is a hurdle. If they're willing to play non-scholarship, I think they would be welcome in any of the three leagues, but if the plan is FCS, that's a tougher sell.

(05-15-2020 12:41 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:37 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:07 AM)bhutchcraft89 Wrote:  According to that same Twitter account it will be...




Southern Indiana
Lindenwood University

both schools out of the GLVC

I wonder to which conference(s) he intends for the two schools to go. They'd stretch the footprint of the A-Sun even more than it already is. Otherwise, the likeliest homes would be Summit, Horizon, or OVC. Lindenwood has football, while Southern Indiana does not.

USI makes a ton of sense for the OVC if they're joining. The league just moved the tournament to Evansville, and the heart of USI's campus is two hours from Austin Peay and two and a half from SEMO, EIU, TSU, and Belmont. If they're losing Murray State to the MVC, they could do a lot worse.

Lindenwood... I have no idea. All three conferences make a degree of sense, but football is a hurdle. If they're willing to play non-scholarship, I think they would be welcome in any of the three leagues, but if the plan is FCS, that's a tougher sell.

I had a feeling of them merging their Belleville campus with the main campus in the Saint Louis market, that they want D1 even more. They are the private school in the MVC area. They might go there with Murray State. They seemed to be more of a better option than Detroit Mercy.

So, the clock is ticking for the large private Indianapolis from the same conference since they are looking for a new home for all sports including football. I suspect they will go D1 as well. Large city that can support another D1 school, and be an FCS school for football.

The future of D2 is very shaky right now with a chance that several schools will close down, or downgrade sports to another level.

(05-15-2020 06:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 12:41 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:37 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:07 AM)bhutchcraft89 Wrote:  According to that same Twitter account it will be...




Southern Indiana
Lindenwood University

both schools out of the GLVC

I wonder to which conference(s) he intends for the two schools to go. They'd stretch the footprint of the A-Sun even more than it already is. Otherwise, the likeliest homes would be Summit, Horizon, or OVC. Lindenwood has football, while Southern Indiana does not.

USI makes a ton of sense for the OVC if they're joining. The league just moved the tournament to Evansville, and the heart of USI's campus is two hours from Austin Peay and two and a half from SEMO, EIU, TSU, and Belmont. If they're losing Murray State to the MVC, they could do a lot worse.

Lindenwood... I have no idea. All three conferences make a degree of sense, but football is a hurdle. If they're willing to play non-scholarship, I think they would be welcome in any of the three leagues, but if the plan is FCS, that's a tougher sell.

I had a feeling of them merging their Belleville campus with the main campus in the Saint Louis market, that they want D1 even more. They are the private school in the MVC area. They might go there with Murray State.

You might be onto something. Remember when the MVC Commissioner said he’s now more of a 12-team guy 3 days before COVID exploded? Like you, he must’ve caught wind of Lindenwood.

(05-15-2020 06:59 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 12:41 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:37 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:07 AM)bhutchcraft89 Wrote:  According to that same Twitter account it will be...




Southern Indiana
Lindenwood University

both schools out of the GLVC

I wonder to which conference(s) he intends for the two schools to go. They'd stretch the footprint of the A-Sun even more than it already is. Otherwise, the likeliest homes would be Summit, Horizon, or OVC. Lindenwood has football, while Southern Indiana does not.

USI makes a ton of sense for the OVC if they're joining. The league just moved the tournament to Evansville, and the heart of USI's campus is two hours from Austin Peay and two and a half from SEMO, EIU, TSU, and Belmont. If they're losing Murray State to the MVC, they could do a lot worse.

Lindenwood... I have no idea. All three conferences make a degree of sense, but football is a hurdle. If they're willing to play non-scholarship, I think they would be welcome in any of the three leagues, but if the plan is FCS, that's a tougher sell.

I had a feeling of them merging their Belleville campus with the main campus in the Saint Louis market, that they want D1 even more. They are the private school in the MVC area. They might go there with Murray State.

You might be onto something. Remember when the MVC Commissioner said he’s now more of a 12-team guy 3 days before COVID exploded? Like you, he must’ve caught wind of Lindenwood.

Both USI and Lindenwood are more OVC schools. The OVC wants figure 8 conference wrapped up between St Louis and Nashville. Jacksonville St and EKU are more off that path and are more susceptible to leaving. Lindenwood has football fb which the OVC needs if JackSt and EMu would leave..

The MVC considers WIU football only as WIU football is rather good compared to it's other sports and then th MVC can take take a better basketball school. But is unnecessary right now as Murray St would come in and UND is joining right now. WIU is already a fb member. The permanent and eventual home of WIU is the OVC.

(05-08-2020 06:15 PM)bhutchcraft89 Wrote:  I am a newer member to this board and really enjoy the creative ideas people come up with.

For this post I wanted to have some discussion from members about schools moving up from D2 to D1. I know that D1 is already over-saturated with schools so for the most part, this is strictly hypothetical; plus if schools wanted to, they probably would, right?

Anyway I live in Missouri but grew up in Kansas so I will cover Kansas.

In this scenario, you can only have one school move up to D1. Sucks for you larger states. Argue which one school should move up. Or perhaps if your argument is convincing, I'll allow multiple callups.

Newman University--(Jets) red and blue; located in Wichita and smallest student body (3,700) of D2 schools. Doesn't have football and probably never will. Wichita State shares the city so this would likely be a no go.

Emporia State--(Hornets) black and gold located in Emporia, Kansas (roughly 1 hour driving time sw of Topeka, it splits the difference between Wichita and Kansas City on I35. Is the 3rd oldest college in Kansas and is known for producing teachers and business leaders. 5,800 students Probably still too close to KU and K-State for a state this size. Football team has picked up in recent years after being doormat for years.

Washburn--(Ichabods) blue and white located in Topeka, Washburn is known for producing nurses and lawyers. 6,300 students attend. Has been putting a couple of athletes into the NFL the last couple of years.

Pittsburg State--(Gorillas) red and yellow located in the SE corner of the state, best known for its football teams of the 90s and early 2000s. Student body of 6,600 but draws in students from Oklahoma, Missouri and Arkansas based on location. Very techy and business school.

Fort Hays State: Tigers (black and gold) located in Hays Kansas, student body of nearly 16K, ready to surpass Wichita State in student numbers. Represents the NW portion of the state and is known for their business degrees. Football team has had some good seasons but never can seem to get out of its own way.

My choice: Fort Hays State based upon student body numbers and could claim the western half of Kansas.

I look forward to others responses and take it easy on me, this is my first thread.

Fort Hays State is in a unique position in that as D2 school they service a huge geographical area along with having a large enrollment. If the BofR were willing to restructure things a bit along with renaming Fort Hays to Kansas Tech or Western Kansas U like they tried last time Hays could pull off a move. The wouldn't have a football home but would have an excellent Olympics home in the Summit. Also, they would have the only D1 Wrestling team in the state. The biggest and like insurmountable obstacle is geography. They are a long ways 3+ hours to a descent regional airport.

(05-16-2020 12:14 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 06:15 PM)bhutchcraft89 Wrote:  I am a newer member to this board and really enjoy the creative ideas people come up with.

For this post I wanted to have some discussion from members about schools moving up from D2 to D1. I know that D1 is already over-saturated with schools so for the most part, this is strictly hypothetical; plus if schools wanted to, they probably would, right?

Anyway I live in Missouri but grew up in Kansas so I will cover Kansas.

In this scenario, you can only have one school move up to D1. Sucks for you larger states. Argue which one school should move up. Or perhaps if your argument is convincing, I'll allow multiple callups.

Newman University--(Jets) red and blue; located in Wichita and smallest student body (3,700) of D2 schools. Doesn't have football and probably never will. Wichita State shares the city so this would likely be a no go.

Emporia State--(Hornets) black and gold located in Emporia, Kansas (roughly 1 hour driving time sw of Topeka, it splits the difference between Wichita and Kansas City on I35. Is the 3rd oldest college in Kansas and is known for producing teachers and business leaders. 5,800 students Probably still too close to KU and K-State for a state this size. Football team has picked up in recent years after being doormat for years.

Washburn--(Ichabods) blue and white located in Topeka, Washburn is known for producing nurses and lawyers. 6,300 students attend. Has been putting a couple of athletes into the NFL the last couple of years.

Pittsburg State--(Gorillas) red and yellow located in the SE corner of the state, best known for its football teams of the 90s and early 2000s. Student body of 6,600 but draws in students from Oklahoma, Missouri and Arkansas based on location. Very techy and business school.

Fort Hays State: Tigers (black and gold) located in Hays Kansas, student body of nearly 16K, ready to surpass Wichita State in student numbers. Represents the NW portion of the state and is known for their business degrees. Football team has had some good seasons but never can seem to get out of its own way.

My choice: Fort Hays State based upon student body numbers and could claim the western half of Kansas.

I look forward to others responses and take it easy on me, this is my first thread.

Fort Hays State is in a unique position in that as D2 school they service a huge geographical area along with having a large enrollment. If the BofR were willing to restructure things a bit along with renaming Fort Hays to Kansas Tech or Western Kansas U like they tried last time Hays could pull off a move. The wouldn't have a football home but would have an excellent Olympics home in the Summit. Also, they would have the only D1 Wrestling team in the state. The biggest and like insurmountable obstacle is geography. They are a long ways 3+ hours to a descent regional airport.

Only about 5K of Fort Hays State's 16K enrollment is students on campus. The rest are online students or in a targeted program that serves students in China. Given the small overall population of the town of Hays (20K) and its geographic isolation it's hard to imagine the school being a realistic candidate for D1.

(05-08-2020 07:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 07:01 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Why not Angelo St.?

San Angelo is a small 118K market and Angelo State's average football attendance at 3,421 is barely above the D2 average. Basketball draws 978 per game.

West Texas A&M is just outside Amarillo which is a 300K market. Its average football attendance at 7,646 is in the top 10 of all D2 schools (7th in 2019). Basketball draws 1,480 per game. There are no competing pro or D1 sports in the area, and other than Texas Tech which is 100 miles away there is no other D1 program located within 250 miles.

My vote would be for West Texas A&M.

I bet the WAC would make room

(05-17-2020 06:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 07:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 07:01 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Why not Angelo St.?

San Angelo is a small 118K market and Angelo State's average football attendance at 3,421 is barely above the D2 average. Basketball draws 978 per game.

West Texas A&M is just outside Amarillo which is a 300K market. Its average football attendance at 7,646 is in the top 10 of all D2 schools (7th in 2019). Basketball draws 1,480 per game. There are no competing pro or D1 sports in the area, and other than Texas Tech which is 100 miles away there is no other D1 program located within 250 miles.

My vote would be for West Texas A&M.

I bet the WAC would make room

West Texas was a major college in football and in the MVC in the 70s (1972-1985) before they moved down around the time I-AA started up.

West Texas A&M was an FBS Independent or 1A until 1985.

MVC FBS Independent Schools from 1978-1982 were:
Tulsa
New Mexico State
West Texas A&M
Drake
Southern Illinois
Illinois State
Indiana State

From 82 to 85, it was down to New Mexico State, Tulsa and West Texas A&M.