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RE: 345 Small Private Colleges And Universities Could Close Down In The Next 6 Years
(05-16-2020 04:10 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(05-16-2020 03:50 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Merge colleges & universities.

Trim/cut the 'worthless' programs, classes, & majors. This saves operating cost. Transform the other classes/programs/majors to be more focused on preparing students for a career - not memorizing things from a textbook to be forgotten after an exam but more on-the-job training. This would increase the public perception of the university as a whole.

Athletics: trim coaching salaries. I think this would go a long-ways.

Universities have been in an arms-race for the bigger & better buildings with lots of construction projects. While some might be necessary to attract students, instead of 5 buildings just build one. New dorm construction should be tossed to the wayside - most students opt to live in off-campus housing anyways.

Pretty much each of these recommendations can be summarized as "make it more like a public state college". Except for the one about lowering coach's salaries, because at small private colleges the salaries are already low. Coaches at schools like these who want to make a career of it go to grad school and take on additional "jobs" on campus like teaching, or an additional athletic department or administration role.

I suppose there could be some outliers, but evaluating programs as to whether they are "worthless" is an annual, ongoing task. If a school isn't already doing this, they are already either closed or so wealthy that they aren't on the list this thread is talking about. And their criteria for whether they are "worthless" is whether they are attracting students. The proverbial "intermediate basket weaving" major may sound worthless to you and me, but if it's attracting enough tuition paying students to justify it's existence, it's not worthless to the school or the students. And like I said, if it's not then the program is already on the way out or the school is too rich to care.

And, many small private colleges thrive on "residential" campuses. I went to one. It would have been a radically inferior experience to not be living with my fellow classmates on campus.

In short, small private colleges do these things to differentiate themselves from public or large private colleges. It's a different niche. That's what a lot of students want. Differentiation is how markets work. One size does not fit all.

Are there too many of them? Probably. But becoming more like public institutions won't save them.

Oh, my recommendation wasn't for privates. I read the title as 'private colleges and [public] universities' not 'private colleges and private universities'
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(05-15-2020 09:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think we have so much overlapping of schools in the same town would be better off working together as a hybrid like Delaware and Gallaudet could be.

This seems like the most random pairing of schools.
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(05-16-2020 10:13 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 09:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think we have so much overlapping of schools in the same town would be better off working together as a hybrid like Delaware and Gallaudet could be.

This seems like the most random pairing of schools.


University of Portland and Concordia-Portland could have merged. It would have saved the students and faculty on finding a new school and job. It would have giving U. of Portland more space with dorms and classrooms.
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(05-16-2020 10:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-16-2020 10:13 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 09:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think we have so much overlapping of schools in the same town would be better off working together as a hybrid like Delaware and Gallaudet could be.

This seems like the most random pairing of schools.


University of Portland and Concordia-Portland could have merged. It would have saved the students and faculty on finding a new school and job. It would have giving U. of Portland more space with dorms and classrooms.

Sounds like a great plan to merge a Catholic school with a Lutheran school. U of Portland is doing just fine w/o CPU.
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(05-16-2020 10:36 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  
(05-16-2020 10:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-16-2020 10:13 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 09:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think we have so much overlapping of schools in the same town would be better off working together as a hybrid like Delaware and Gallaudet could be.

This seems like the most random pairing of schools.


University of Portland and Concordia-Portland could have merged. It would have saved the students and faculty on finding a new school and job. It would have giving U. of Portland more space with dorms and classrooms.

Sounds like a great plan to merge a Catholic school with a Lutheran school. U of Portland is doing just fine w/o CPU.

Perfect example of details DavidSt always ignores.
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(05-16-2020 10:13 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 09:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think we have so much overlapping of schools in the same town would be better off working together as a hybrid like Delaware and Gallaudet could be.

This seems like the most random pairing of schools.

What I think he might be saying is that Delaware is a Public supported, not public institution. I went to grad school there, and it is Public, sort of. It does get some of its funding from the state government, but nothing along the lines of a traditional public University. From the Wikipedia page it only less that 15% of its budget from the state. Now UD is a great academic school [slightly biased to improve my self-worth] with an almost 1.5 billion endowment. It receives a lot of money from patents royalties from their Chemical Engineering department. So this model will not work for all schools. But I think that is what DavidSt meant as a Hybrid model. Or at least I saw it this way, but that is only due to my history with the school.
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(05-06-2020 03:24 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-06-2020 01:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  With No On Campus Classes In The Fall

If schools on campus classes in the fall moves to online due to COVId-19, many students may skip a year because of it. Notre Dame in California, Concordia-Portland, Urbana and now Holy Family, we may see more schools starting to close for good in the next 6 years.

Stop posting if you can't post correct information. Concordia-Portland announced their closing more than a month BEFORE the shut down making it unrelated to the virus. Notre Dame de Namur cancelled the lacrosse season in January indicating the school was already having difficulties. NDNU has NOT CLOSED yet. The virus may have played a part of Urbana closing but they almost closed in 2014 and have been on life support since.

I yell at DavidSt a lot, but the schools that were barely surviving a few months ago are absolutely the ones that are least likely to survive a big drop in enrollment (gap years, lower priced state schools / community colleges).
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HIU Announces The Closure Of Nebraska Christian



Spring of 2020 was the last classes there.
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Boston College just absorbed Pine Manor college. Pine Manor is just down the street in Newton.

Edit - guess there's a thread already
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(06-08-2020 01:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  California State Leaders Closes Calbright

That's an online, 2 year community college. I think the impact on college athletics will be minimal, save for maybe esports.
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(05-15-2020 09:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 07:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  Do we NEED as many colleges as we have?


I think we have so much overlapping of schools in the same town would be better off working together as a hybrid like Delaware and Galluadet could be.

Detroit Mercy and Wayne State can merge to make a hybrid. Wayne State-Mercy would get Detroit Mercy a better deal as Wayne State is an R1 institute with football. Endowment is better as well.

Wilberforce and Central State, Ohio

IUPUI and Indianapolis which IUPUI could drop IUPU to become University of Indianapolis.

Alfred and Alfred State is another one

Daytona State and Bethune-Cookman Daytona State is a CC in Florida which could become a four year school.

Jacksonville and North Florida could merge and football be brought back.

A lot of these mergers would be extremely unlikely.

Detroit-Mercy is a private, Catholic university, whereas Wayne State is a large State University.

However, they could possibly do some things cooperatively, as in the Philadelphia area's tri-college consortium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-College_Consortium
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(06-08-2020 05:53 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 09:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 07:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  Do we NEED as many colleges as we have?


I think we have so much overlapping of schools in the same town would be better off working together as a hybrid like Delaware and Galluadet could be.

Detroit Mercy and Wayne State can merge to make a hybrid. Wayne State-Mercy would get Detroit Mercy a better deal as Wayne State is an R1 institute with football. Endowment is better as well.

Wilberforce and Central State, Ohio

IUPUI and Indianapolis which IUPUI could drop IUPU to become University of Indianapolis.

Alfred and Alfred State is another one

Daytona State and Bethune-Cookman Daytona State is a CC in Florida which could become a four year school.

Jacksonville and North Florida could merge and football be brought back.

A lot of these mergers would be extremely unlikely.

Detroit-Mercy is a private, Catholic university, whereas Wayne State is a large State University.

However, they could possibly do some things cooperatively, as in the Philadelphia area's tri-college consortium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-College_Consortium


And merge the sports as well to save on cost cutting as well.
LIU and LIU-Post merged their sports.
Claremont College, Harvey Mudd and Scripps merged theirs to be Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Pomona and Pitzer merged theirs to share the costs
Hobart and William Smith done theirs.
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(06-08-2020 02:11 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 01:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  California State Leaders Closes Calbright

That's an online, 2 year community college. I think the impact on college athletics will be minimal, save for maybe esports.


I posted this as an example that state lawmakers could force a lot of state run schools down. Maybe not at D1 level, but at the smaller schools in a small populated towns.
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(06-08-2020 06:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 05:53 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 09:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 07:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  Do we NEED as many colleges as we have?


I think we have so much overlapping of schools in the same town would be better off working together as a hybrid like Delaware and Galluadet could be.

Detroit Mercy and Wayne State can merge to make a hybrid. Wayne State-Mercy would get Detroit Mercy a better deal as Wayne State is an R1 institute with football. Endowment is better as well.

Wilberforce and Central State, Ohio

IUPUI and Indianapolis which IUPUI could drop IUPU to become University of Indianapolis.

Alfred and Alfred State is another one

Daytona State and Bethune-Cookman Daytona State is a CC in Florida which could become a four year school.

Jacksonville and North Florida could merge and football be brought back.

A lot of these mergers would be extremely unlikely.

Detroit-Mercy is a private, Catholic university, whereas Wayne State is a large State University.

However, they could possibly do some things cooperatively, as in the Philadelphia area's tri-college consortium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-College_Consortium


And merge the sports as well to save on cost cutting as well.
LIU and LIU-Post merged their sports.
Claremont College, Harvey Mudd and Scripps merged theirs to be Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Pomona and Pitzer merged theirs to share the costs
Hobart and William Smith done theirs.

Hobart is a men's school and William Smith is a women 's college next
door. They have common administration, admissions and shared classes.
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MercyHurst North East of NJCAA To Close

Mercyhurst North East is closing for the lack of funding.
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I am glad someone is tracking unheard of colleges.

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(06-09-2020 02:31 PM)panama Wrote:  I am glad someone is tracking unheard of colleges.

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It does not look good for Mercyhurst University. Mercyhurst North East was one of their campuses. Mercyhurst have men's ice hockey at D1 since they are a D2 school in Pennsylvania.
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(06-09-2020 03:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-09-2020 02:31 PM)panama Wrote:  I am glad someone is tracking unheard of colleges.

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It does not look good for Mercyhurst University. Mercyhurst North East was one of their campuses. Mercyhurst have men's ice hockey at D1 since they are a D2 school in Pennsylvania.

The campuses are 20 miles apart. Kinda redundant. Makes sense to consolidate and keep the NE campus as a conference facility.
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(06-08-2020 07:13 PM)whittx Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 06:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 05:53 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 09:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 07:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  Do we NEED as many colleges as we have?


I think we have so much overlapping of schools in the same town would be better off working together as a hybrid like Delaware and Galluadet could be.

Detroit Mercy and Wayne State can merge to make a hybrid. Wayne State-Mercy would get Detroit Mercy a better deal as Wayne State is an R1 institute with football. Endowment is better as well.

Wilberforce and Central State, Ohio

IUPUI and Indianapolis which IUPUI could drop IUPU to become University of Indianapolis.

Alfred and Alfred State is another one

Daytona State and Bethune-Cookman Daytona State is a CC in Florida which could become a four year school.

Jacksonville and North Florida could merge and football be brought back.

A lot of these mergers would be extremely unlikely.

Detroit-Mercy is a private, Catholic university, whereas Wayne State is a large State University.

However, they could possibly do some things cooperatively, as in the Philadelphia area's tri-college consortium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-College_Consortium


And merge the sports as well to save on cost cutting as well.
LIU and LIU-Post merged their sports.
Claremont College, Harvey Mudd and Scripps merged theirs to be Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Pomona and Pitzer merged theirs to share the costs
Hobart and William Smith done theirs.

Hobart is a men's school and William Smith is a women 's college next
door. They have common administration, admissions and shared classes.



Bethune-Cookman is a private HBCU.


Jacksonville is private and it just dropped its football team in December.
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