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RE: 2023 ACC Tournament In Greensboro
(05-02-2020 09:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-01-2020 03:16 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-30-2020 09:01 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-30-2020 08:23 AM)schmolik Wrote:  I'd accept it. I'd probably space out Brooklyn and Washington to every other years and not back to back) to spread them out. I don't know why Greensboro is any better than Charlotte, if it is in the state of North Carolina why not Charlotte all of the time (or have Greensboro build a newer arena rather than an arena that's older than I am and I'm almost 50).

You know how old MSG is? The Coliseum has been renovated (although I nostalgically miss the purple and teal floor of my youth) and it's a great place to watch basketball. It's where the conference office is located, and it's at the heart of the league. Plus, it is the event of the year in the city, none of those other sites can say that.

Is anybody clamoring to move the Masters from Augusta to Long Island for better media coverage?

More misinformation...MSG just completed a major renovation. Have you ever been to an event at MSG?

Literally nothing comes close to it for the energy but I know why Tobacco Road likes GBO.

More misinformation? What are you talking about? MSG is super old, and I was pointing out arenas get renovated. How old the building is doesn’t matter if it’s been renovated, like MSG and the Coliseum.

I read it as you thinking MSG was some old arena that wasn't renovated.
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RE: 2023 ACC Tournament In Greensboro
The expansion of the NCAA tournament nullified most of the importance of the ACC tournament. Once you could win the NCAA title without winning the ACC title, things changed. Games in the ACC tournament were no longer life or death as they had been since the 1930's until the mid 1980's.

The Big East, being a new construct built just for basketball, never had to contend with a single slot to the NCAA tournament for their champion as was the case for the ACC and all others through the mid 70's. So the Big East Tournament was never as important to the Big East members as the SoCon or ACC Tournament was to the SoCon ACC members.

Since their older fans have nothing to compare it to, why would older ACC fans even attempt to explain it? You might as well be attempting to explain a sphere to the people of Flatland.

The following is not the ACC or So Con champion - just the ones left out of an NCAA or NIT bid due to the one team rule:

52 - West Va - 10th
53 - WF 12th
54 - MD 14th, Duke 18th
55 - NCSU NIT Bid, MD 18
56 - UNC 15, WF 18, Duke 19
57 - WF 20th
58 - Duke 6th, UNC 13th, NC State 14th
59 - NC State 7th

From the time after WWII to the UNC National Title in 56, NC State won almost all the SoCon ACC Titles.

60 - UNC 16th, WF 18th
61 - UNC 5th, Duke 10th
62 - Duke 9th
63 - none
64 - none
65 - Duke 8th
66 - none
67 - none
68 - Duke 6th

Until Dean Smith recruits Larry Miller - NC State and then Duke are 1 and 2 in ACC basketball, UNC is third, WF and MD are tied for 4th so to speak.

69 - SC 8th
70 - SC 3, UNC 19th (NC State did that to SC)
71 - UNC 13, Duke 19 (Duke will now take a half decade sabbatical to get over the attempted recruiting of Adolph Rupp as Coach and the debacle that was Bucky Waters)

72 - MD 14, UVa 15
73 - MD 8, UNC 11
74 - MD 8, UNC 12
75 - NC State 7th (State unable to defend NCAA title)
76 - MD 11th, NC State 17th.

That's 33 top 20 ACC schools not able to compete for the NCAA title in 23 years. 9 were top 10 teams.

MD was hurt worst by this as they had a good program in the 1950's and the second best ACC program in the early 70's. Duke was hurt second most and by Wake Forest of all schools. They had the second best best basketball problem when the ACC split behind NC State.


This is why the ACC tournament matters to some older ACC folks and younger Big East people can not understand. The ACC probably left 2-3 NCAA titles on the floor between State's upsets of the Gamecocks in 1970 and Duke in 1965.

Now though, I would not wipe my Ass on Greensboro.
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(05-02-2020 03:54 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Ten of the fourteen times the ACC Tournament has been held outside NC a team from NC won. Teams from NC, particularly Duke and UNC, don’t keep winning the tournament because of where it’s held. They dominate the tournament because year in and year out they’re better. Fans of some former Big East schools love MSG because they remember winning Big East tournaments there and suppose that the key to them winning ACC Tournaments is to have the ACC Tournament at MSG. That’s naive. Buildings and cities don’t win games. Teams win games. The ACC could hold the ACC Tournament in MSG every year and Duke and UNC would still win way over half the tournaments. Let’s rotate the tournament around but don’t expect that to have much effect upon the outcome.

Ironic: since the 2013 expansion, the 3 tournaments held in Greensboro were won by Miami, UVA and Notre Dame; Duke and UNC have combined to win only 3 of the last 7 (43%), not "way over half" - but still impressive.
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RE: 2023 ACC Tournament In Greensboro
(05-02-2020 03:32 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-02-2020 12:53 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(05-02-2020 12:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-02-2020 11:32 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(05-02-2020 07:02 AM)XLance Wrote:  If you lose the essence of what the Tournament is, you will have to generate more excitement in a circus like atmosphere just to get curiosity seekers to fill the stands, because the better teams in the league are moving on to play in multiple rounds of the NCAA tournament anyway.
If "families, fans, donors and media powers-that-be need more choices and diversions", then they just don't understand the purpose of the tournament in the first place.

“Losing the essence of what the Tournament is” sounds like code for...

a) home court advantage
b) convenience for nearby universities to best leverage the Tournament for their donors
c) an excuse to make less money and have less exposure for all conference teams (so that locals can have more access)
d) an attempt to hold-on nostalgically to a bygone era
e) all of the above




c)

Tradition is more important than the pursuit of money.

The idea that tradition is more important than $ was thrown out the window in 2003.

It's not like the ACC Tournament has always been played at Greensboro. The ACC has been moving the tournament location around since it left Reynolds in 1967. In the last 30 years, it has only been in Greensboro 13 times. Heck, even the football championship has been held in Charlotte in 9 of the 15 years of its existence. Contrast that to the Big East that has held its tournament at MSG for 37 straight years and counting with every fan base and administration completely in agreement on that location.

When the price of a pimento cheese sandwich and a Coca-Cola triple at Augusta I'll come over to your side, otherwise I will not only hold out hope but expect that the fans that built the ACC still matter.

The Augusta National Golf Club doesn't run the ACC, and neither does the Greensboro Coliseum.

All that matters is what the ACC leadership thinks, and their thinking has been clearly demonstrated since 2002.
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RE: 2023 ACC Tournament In Greensboro
(05-02-2020 07:29 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Now though, I would not wipe my Ass on Greensboro.

After being exposed to some of your views, maybe the good folks of Greensboro would also prefer you to wipe your ass someplace else.
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RE: 2023 ACC Tournament In Greensboro
(05-02-2020 10:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-02-2020 03:54 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Ten of the fourteen times the ACC Tournament has been held outside NC a team from NC won. Teams from NC, particularly Duke and UNC, don’t keep winning the tournament because of where it’s held. They dominate the tournament because year in and year out they’re better. Fans of some former Big East schools love MSG because they remember winning Big East tournaments there and suppose that the key to them winning ACC Tournaments is to have the ACC Tournament at MSG. That’s naive. Buildings and cities don’t win games. Teams win games. The ACC could hold the ACC Tournament in MSG every year and Duke and UNC would still win way over half the tournaments. Let’s rotate the tournament around but don’t expect that to have much effect upon the outcome.

Ironic: since the 2013 expansion, the 3 tournaments held in Greensboro were won by Miami, UVA and Notre Dame; Duke and UNC have combined to win only 3 of the last 7 (43%), not "way over half" - but still impressive.

It’s great for the ACC to have more diversity and growth in the teams that win the Tournament. The conference needs more fans, more revenue and more rivalries.

The Tournament no longer impacts who gets selected to the Big Dance, but it’s the time that more folks are watching and paying attention. This is a time when rivalries and cohesion are impacted. We need Florida State and Syracuse fan bases to care about ACC basketball.
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RE: 2023 ACC Tournament In Greensboro
(05-03-2020 08:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-02-2020 07:29 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Now though, I would not wipe my Ass on Greensboro.

After being exposed to some of your views, maybe the good folks of Greensboro would also prefer you to wipe your ass someplace else.


Still passing off Eastern Q as Lexington Style - hypocrisy at it's best. 04-cheers
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RE: 2023 ACC Tournament In Greensboro
For those not infused with long memories or access to the private papers available at the Z Smith Reynolds library, it's important to realize that the ACC and Greensboro has nothing to do with the Greensboro Coliseum per se, and everything to do with the political and economic structure of the Triad and particularly Greensboro and it's relationship with Wake Forest after Wake moved to Winston. Lance is going to get all up in arms because I put down his buddy Stamey's que. The real problem is that Greensboro is no longer the same town it was in 1950 and that town was a very, very unique place with a very, very unique set of social values, especially in what was then the "South". Many dissertations have been written.

What was Greensboro died a long time ago and has been replaced by a less appealing element. Read into it what you will but essentially the moral and education axis of NC shifted to the Triangle, and the economic might of the Triad shifted to the Charlotte metro.

Greensboro is shadow of itself appearing in the Rhino Times.

When the ACC tournament is held in Greensboro, it's for benefit of the local economy and the old family members of certain families who still live in the area and have not moved to mountains, coast, Atlanta, NYC, Colorado, or Hawaii.
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RE: 2023 ACC Tournament In Greensboro
(05-03-2020 11:45 AM)Statefan Wrote:  
(05-03-2020 08:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-02-2020 07:29 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Now though, I would not wipe my Ass on Greensboro.

After being exposed to some of your views, maybe the good folks of Greensboro would also prefer you to wipe your ass someplace else.


Still passing off Eastern Q as Lexington Style - hypocrisy at it's best. 04-cheers

Keep posting nonsense, I don't blame you for trying to bury the references to philosophies you have posted about in the last week or two.
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RE: 2023 ACC Tournament In Greensboro
(05-03-2020 01:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-03-2020 11:45 AM)Statefan Wrote:  
(05-03-2020 08:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-02-2020 07:29 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Now though, I would not wipe my Ass on Greensboro.

After being exposed to some of your views, maybe the good folks of Greensboro would also prefer you to wipe your ass someplace else.


Still passing off Eastern Q as Lexington Style - hypocrisy at it's best. 04-cheers

Keep posting nonsense, I don't blame you for trying to bury the references to philosophies you have posted about in the last week or two.

Huh? Are you high?
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RE: 2023 ACC Tournament In Greensboro
(04-29-2020 03:32 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 02:35 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 01:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 12:43 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Maybe go to Florida too (Orlando or Tampa). Some of the college kids might be on spring break. Florida State's good now.


There's a reason Florida hasn't been brought up for consideration again.

I was at the tournament when it was held in Tampa. Few FSU fans were in attendance and virtually no Miami fans. There was almost zero local buzz for the tournament. I think the universal attitude after the tournament in Tampa was "never again".

In 2007, Florida State was seeded 9th and made the NIT and Miami was dead last and sub .500. Georgia Tech, who is one state away, was seeded 6th and made the NCAA's but was one and done. Certainly if you based it on recent years FSU would be way better. Would FSU fans pack Tampa (or Orlando) more than they did back then? I'd guess so although admittedly it would be a gamble. I'd try Atlanta first at least.

Atlanta only matters in football for the basketball schools.


It's the damnedest thing I've ever seen. Two basketball first, last, and foremost schools who could use an 18 passenger van to carry their entire traveling fanbase to an away football game deems a bi-annual game in Atlanta as important, but both hate the idea of the basketball tournament there. It's almost like they drew up the football divisions to maximize their recruiting exposure in the best areas while minimizing the other division or something. Strange.
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