(05-07-2020 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 08:41 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 08:27 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 08:14 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  Louisville will play @ UCF in 2022, and @ USF in 2024.

Those two are in a special category.

You do home n home's for they sit at or near the top of G5 good chain, with USF there is some history, both are great areas for recruiting, lots of retired or transplanted fans and finally great away trips.

These two 2020 games cited by Hokie, then, fall into a "special category":

FLORIDA STATE at BOISE STATE
N CAROLINA at UCF

Boise State doesn't even recruit Idaho... why would FSU want to?

At least UCF is surrounded by great football recruits... but you won't sign them if you lose to UCF!

I don't even think 80's FSU would have scheduled a home and home with Boise. Should have been a one-off neutral site game in Atlanta, New Orleans, or even Houston.

I'm a big fan of season kick-off games if you can't tell. The northern teams need to organize one in Giants Stadium every year like they did in the 90's.

(05-07-2020 08:28 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 08:14 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  Louisville will play @ UCF in 2022, and @ USF in 2024.

Playing these two makes sense since Florida is such a recruiting hotbed. Pitt also has recently played UCF for the same reason.


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Thanks for beating them...so we didn't have to hear their fans chirp all Fall

GTS...why you play USF and UCF in Florida? Cuz it is close for recruits and players parents along with alumni and transplants.

Additionally FSU is located in Lower Georgia. Miami is waaaay down near Havana. So it is good to play in the I-4 corridor.

(05-07-2020 08:27 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 08:14 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  Louisville will play @ UCF in 2022, and @ USF in 2024.

Those two are in a special category.

You do home n home's for they sit at or near the top of G5 food chain, with USF there is some history, both are great areas for recruiting, lots of retired or transplanted fans and finally great away trips.

The largest (or one of) groups of U of L alumni are in the Tampa area. This is one of the reasons that Tom Jurich and Louisville went to bat for USF when the Big East was trying to stay afloat, and added Louisville, Cincy and USF (for football -- Marquete and DePaul in hoops).

As you also say .. they are easy, fun, away trips for fans too.

GTS

With regards to Mendenhall and in-State recruiting...as compared to the past 3 years, UVA seems to be performing better in this cycle. In early May, UVA has 11 verbal commits with 3 from Virginia. This is much better than prior years. Not suggesting that Mendenhall is a good recruiter...but this is his best year.

(05-07-2020 09:27 AM)esayem Wrote:  FLORIDA STATE at BOISE STATE (win-lose, because of recent history, but they need to win)

*N CAROLINA at UCF (win-lose, because of recent history. Probably will be cancelled, never the twain shall meet)

NC STATE at TROY (lose-lose. Seriously, hhhwaaaat? Is Troy serving free pizza and beer at his place?)

PITT at MARSHALL (lose-lose. Good luck at WVU Jr.)

SYRACUSE at WESTERN MICHIGAN (lose-lose. I heard W. Michigan is nice that time of year?)

**VIRGINIA at OLD DOMINION (Has ODU replaced W&M or VMI? No significant history, lose-lose. Navy would be a good G5, but they have zero flexibility)

VIRGINIA TECH at MIDDLE TENNESSEE (At the Nashville Coliseum at least? lose-lose)

**WAKE FOREST at OLD DOMINION (App State would be cool instead. No significant history, lose-lose)



*I would much prefer UNC to play a G5 at a neutral site kick-off in Florida instead. Tennessee or Georgia in Orlando, for instance.

**One other thing to add, Norfolk has always been an ACC city with many teams playing in the Oyster Bowl, so I'm really not against playing at ODU, I'm neutral.

This game is a legacy of a piss poor contract signed by former piss poor AD Lee Fowler. In 2009 or so he signed a contract with LSU for us to go there in 2017 and for them to come here in 2020. The buyout of the contract was $100,000. in 2014 or so LSU paid the 100K and we could not get another home and away with an SEC school in the time frame so we inked a deal with Troy. Then the ACC office changed things in the ACC and we had to move Troy - this is us keeping our word in scheduling. Maybe Auburn and Bama are playing piss ant state U that week since it's early and they tend to play just one OOC game and often that is in Atlanta.

Playing an SEC team in a one off in Atlanta does nothing for us, especially if it's Labor Day weekend.

Maybe I should ask the question:

Which G5 teams do we think are legit for home-and-home series?

(05-07-2020 11:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Maybe I should ask the question:

Which G5 teams do we think are legit for home-and-home series?

Army/Navy/Air Force
BYU
Boise St
San Diego St
Hawaii
Colorado St?
UTSA
SMU
Houston
Memphis
Tulane
USF
UCF
FIU/FAU?
ECU?
Cincy
UConn?
Temple?

Some are only there due for recruiting. ? Means they are maybes

(05-06-2020 10:31 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt is at Marshall because UCF backed out of a scheduled game leaving Pitt scrambling for a replacement. The only way to fill that slot was to agree to a home and home with Marshall. I respect my Alma Mater for honoring the game rather than buying it out.


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Enlighten me on this. Never heard about this situation. Only game we backed out of was a game against Texas that got rescheduled, and eventually Texas bought it out. I highly doubt we would’ve backed out on Pitt, unless it happened a long time ago.

(05-08-2020 11:02 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 10:31 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt is at Marshall because UCF backed out of a scheduled game leaving Pitt scrambling for a replacement. The only way to fill that slot was to agree to a home and home with Marshall. I respect my Alma Mater for honoring the game rather than buying it out.


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Enlighten me on this. Never heard about this situation. Only game we backed out of was a game against Texas that got rescheduled, and eventually Texas bought it out. I highly doubt we would’ve backed out on Pitt, unless it happened a long time ago.

It was the 2016 game at Pitt. UCF backed out less than a year out leaving Pitt with few options. They paid the buyout so contractually they were fine. The timing was bad for Pitt. Marshall was able to get a home and home for filling the slot. Ordinarily Pitt does not do home and home with G5 conferences except the American. We have done them with UCF and we have an upcoming one with Cincy.

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(05-09-2020 12:05 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 11:02 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 10:31 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt is at Marshall because UCF backed out of a scheduled game leaving Pitt scrambling for a replacement. The only way to fill that slot was to agree to a home and home with Marshall. I respect my Alma Mater for honoring the game rather than buying it out.


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Enlighten me on this. Never heard about this situation. Only game we backed out of was a game against Texas that got rescheduled, and eventually Texas bought it out. I highly doubt we would’ve backed out on Pitt, unless it happened a long time ago.

It was the 2016 game at Pitt. UCF backed out less than a year out leaving Pitt with few options. They paid the buyout so contractually they were fine. The timing was bad for Pitt. Marshall was able to get a home and home for filling the slot. Ordinarily Pitt does not do home and home with G5 conferences except the American. We have done them with UCF and we have an upcoming one with Cincy.

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Do you have proof? I just don’t remember this. We played Maryland and Michigan that year, and I doubt we would’ve had 3 P5 games that year.

(05-09-2020 07:12 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 12:05 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 11:02 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 10:31 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt is at Marshall because UCF backed out of a scheduled game leaving Pitt scrambling for a replacement. The only way to fill that slot was to agree to a home and home with Marshall. I respect my Alma Mater for honoring the game rather than buying it out.


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Enlighten me on this. Never heard about this situation. Only game we backed out of was a game against Texas that got rescheduled, and eventually Texas bought it out. I highly doubt we would’ve backed out on Pitt, unless it happened a long time ago.

It was the 2016 game at Pitt. UCF backed out less than a year out leaving Pitt with few options. They paid the buyout so contractually they were fine. The timing was bad for Pitt. Marshall was able to get a home and home for filling the slot. Ordinarily Pitt does not do home and home with G5 conferences except the American. We have done them with UCF and we have an upcoming one with Cincy.

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Do you have proof? I just don’t remember this. We played Maryland and Michigan that year, and I doubt we would’ve had 3 P5 games that year.

Here it is:

Quote:The Pittsburgh Panthers and the UCF Knights have cancelled their 2012 football game, The Orlando Sentinel has reported.

UCF was scheduled to travel to Pittsburgh on September 8, 2012. Due to realignment, the Panthers asked to cancel the agreement and the Knights agreed.

https://fbschedules.com/pittsburgh-ucf-c...ball-game/

This was apparently a case of Pitt being hosed, not by UCF, but by the Big East. It was Pitt's final year in the Big East, and their old conference scheduled the Panthers to play at Cincinnati on the very weekend when they were previously scheduled to play UCF.

Now, if you want to say UCF was unwilling to move the date of the game at Pitt, then yeah, UCF hosed them too! UCF certainly came out smelling like a rose - they got the home game vs. Pitt without ever having to play the away game.

That also means that UCF is being somewhat hypocritical when they refuse to accept a 1-and-done or a 2-for-1, since they effectively ended up with a 2-for-1 in their favor.

(05-09-2020 11:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 07:12 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 12:05 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 11:02 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 10:31 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt is at Marshall because UCF backed out of a scheduled game leaving Pitt scrambling for a replacement. The only way to fill that slot was to agree to a home and home with Marshall. I respect my Alma Mater for honoring the game rather than buying it out.


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Enlighten me on this. Never heard about this situation. Only game we backed out of was a game against Texas that got rescheduled, and eventually Texas bought it out. I highly doubt we would’ve backed out on Pitt, unless it happened a long time ago.

It was the 2016 game at Pitt. UCF backed out less than a year out leaving Pitt with few options. They paid the buyout so contractually they were fine. The timing was bad for Pitt. Marshall was able to get a home and home for filling the slot. Ordinarily Pitt does not do home and home with G5 conferences except the American. We have done them with UCF and we have an upcoming one with Cincy.

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Do you have proof? I just don’t remember this. We played Maryland and Michigan that year, and I doubt we would’ve had 3 P5 games that year.

Here it is:

Quote:The Pittsburgh Panthers and the UCF Knights have cancelled their 2012 football game, The Orlando Sentinel has reported.

UCF was scheduled to travel to Pittsburgh on September 8, 2012. Due to realignment, the Panthers asked to cancel the agreement and the Knights agreed.

https://fbschedules.com/pittsburgh-ucf-c...ball-game/

This was apparently a case of Pitt being hosed, not by UCF, but by the Big East. It was Pitt's final year in the Big East, and their old conference scheduled the Panthers to play at Cincinnati on the very weekend when they were previously scheduled to play UCF.

Now, if you want to say UCF was unwilling to move the date of the game at Pitt, then yeah, UCF hosed them too! UCF certainly came out smelling like a rose - they got the home game vs. Pitt without ever having to play the away game.

That also means that UCF is being somewhat hypocritical when they refuse to accept a 1-and-done or a 2-for-1, since they effectively ended up with a 2-for-1 in their favor.

Oh, he said 2016 so that’s why I was confused. If we already had the rest of our schedule planned, it wouldn’t make sense to completely change it just because the Big East and Pitt made a scheduling error.

Pitt error? What are you talking about.

(05-07-2020 11:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Maybe I should ask the question:

Which G5 teams do we think are legit for home-and-home series?

Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF
Boise State
San Diego State
Appalachian State
If ECU has a good 2020 season, then you can add them.
If USF has a good 2021 season, then you can add them too.
Navy

(05-11-2020 05:10 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 11:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Maybe I should ask the question:

Which G5 teams do we think are legit for home-and-home series?

Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF
Boise State
San Diego State
Appalachian State
If ECU has a good 2020 season, then you can add them.
If USF has a good 2021 season, then you can add them too.
Navy

Appalachian St?

Why? We have four teams we play in NC. Why ECU is a questionable game for a home n home.

Only listing Navy is not right. West Point is a bucket list stadium. Air Force is an epic location too.

No BYU?

(05-11-2020 10:28 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Pitt error? What are you talking about.

They scheduled to play UCF the weekend that a conference game was to be played. May not have been Pitt’s fault, as they didn’t know, but it wasn’t UCF “backing out”. Pitt asked to end the agreement, and UCF agreed. I know you have a hate towards UCF but this wasn’t our fault.

(05-11-2020 05:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-11-2020 05:10 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 11:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Maybe I should ask the question:

Which G5 teams do we think are legit for home-and-home series?

Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF
Boise State
San Diego State
Appalachian State
If ECU has a good 2020 season, then you can add them.
If USF has a good 2021 season, then you can add them too.
Navy

Appalachian St?

Why? We have four teams we play in NC. Why ECU is a questionable game for a home n home.

Only listing Navy is not right. West Point is a bucket list stadium. Air Force is an epic location too.

No BYU?

App State has surpassed ECU and is a traditional opponent of Wake. None of those other schools are worth scheduling for ACC teams, except maybe Houston if you’re Miami. A little Gulf action for old times sake.

(05-07-2020 12:33 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  GTS...why you play USF and UCF in Florida? Cuz it is close for recruits and players parents along with alumni and transplants.

Additionally FSU is located in Lower Georgia. Miami is waaaay down near Havana. So it is good to play in the I-4 corridor.

A lot of people don't get how distant and different these 3 areas are. It's similar to Texas in that way which is why the Big 12 has 5 Texas teams.

(05-07-2020 11:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Maybe I should ask the question:

Which G5 teams do we think are legit for home-and-home series?

If the goal is to play quality teams instead of body bag games that if you slip your season is over then: UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, Navy, Boise, BYU

I think fans would be excited with those match ups but here's also programs that are in a good recruiting location and/or would be an awesome destination game: Army, Air Force, SMU, usf, Tulane, Hawaii, SDSU

Nothing personal, but I’d rather see UNC play Tulane, SMU, and Rice than giant second tier Florida schools.

W&M and Richmond if they’re going to schedule outside the FBS.

I’m actually not totally opposed to ODU, due to the historic Oyster Bowl. I also don’t mind ECU and App St.; much prefer these opponents to random Metro conference schools.

*Army and Navy are always welcome as well.